Gilman back to PSU?
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He's looking for a reported story of a drunken fist fight with a donor, etc....not a blanket statement that he's butting heads with people, unless we should infer from the post that he head-butted someone in the fight!
The competitive window is still open. He was half-joking about it, but I think he will use LL and Ono as a barometer. If he can legit hang with those guys I think he makes another run. He mentioned the PSU strength coach previously wanted him to bulk up to 65kg and give it a go. Apparently his latest match with Ortega he was around 150ish and had two weeks to train and cut down to 140. Says it kind of stoked the fire.
As for his role, he'll be an unofficial coach and mentor being paid through the NLWC. Sense they have the funds then why not keep him all to themselves? Give Ono, LL, Davis, Duke, etc a world champ to roll with everyday. He admits he can't teach these guys anything new, but he can help refine and work on certain aspects, whether it's on the mat or off (his words).
Truthfully, I wish the HWC would do that with some older or former athletes.
No offense to Jesse Ybarra, but I'd rather have a Nathan Tomasello or a Dom Bradley in the room. Did we attempt to keep Real Woods around? What's Chance Marstellar doing?
Unfortunately LL is not the competition, Lee is. But the good news is that Dean Peterson can use Lee as a barometer, after all he beat LL.
. If 65 is a consideration, he should stick around OSU and use Spratley, Figs, Hughes, Kennedy, Bravo-Young, Vega, McComas and Sakamoto as barometers. All are accomplished freestylers and will give him all he can handle, especially with the layoff. I'm not buying that story. OSU is actually a better fit for him to train.
I'll respectfully disagree. As painful as it is to admit, if Gilman truly wants to roll with the best then PSU/ NLWC is the place to be.Unfortunately LL is not the competition, Lee is. But the good news is that Dean Peterson can use Lee as a barometer, after all he beat LL.
Blaze, LL, Zain, Nick Lee, and Ono are better than anything OSU has to offer and that's still excluding Carl and Cunningham. And it'll be interesting to see if RBY sticks around Stillwater or follows Gilman back.
Thanks for this. I will save my 54 minutes to waste somewhere else now!
Forrest, Spratley, Vega, RBY, Fix, Hughes, McComas, Young, Kennedy (Taylor) or
Blaze, LL, Lee, Ono, Desmond (Cael)
Respectfully disagree but neither are a "SMALL's far-and-away" better option
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Apparently you haven't traveled much internationally. In most of Asia, Africa and Latin America, an extremely small percentage of people can speak more than a few words of English. English is learned mostly by those who work in tourism or conduct business where English is useful for them. If someone from the U.S. travels internationally, for business or pleasure, most will stay in upscale or touristy hotels and do touristy things, and they will think that most people speak English because the locals whom they interact with are in the tourism business, so they've learned English.
Anecdotally, when I conduct business with banks, accountants and government agencies in Buenos Aires (a city of 15 million people), it's difficult to find someone who speaks even broken English. I spent most of today dealing with the "international commerce" section of my bank in Argentina (it's headquartered in Spain), and NO ONE knew English.
I know this has nothing to do with Ono, but the notion that "much" of the world's population speaks English at even a basic level is patently false.
Blaze, Lee, and Retherford are all world team members and Ono is arguably the #1 p4p wrestler in the world right now.
No one on OSU competes with that haha.
No one on OSU competes with that haha.
Except all the OSU guys give different looks and, yes, they do. Gilman is a world team member, so what does that matter. If he is looking for the absolute best guy to train with and nothing else matter to you, then he would be at Iowa with Lee, Tom, Terry and Dennis. I assure you that RBY, Forrest, Fix, Vega and Kenedy can compete with that. And if he's up at 65 is chances are limited.
Like others said, the competitive door was said half-heartedly, I doubt he's going to train, but rather to coach. And then I fall back on my cancer/loyalty position.
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Adding to other comments, he's been all about competing for the glory of Gilman for his whole life, and now he's 30. He doesn't have the personality for coaching, so he's a bit directionless. He doesn't seem to have a burning passion for competing again, and it's hard to be successful if you're not all in, especially at that age. Does he have any other skills? Can he start a business? Run a business? I don't see him working for someone else. Where is he in 5 years? 10? I don't care for the guy, but he still has time to figure it out and become a decent human being, if he's willing to put in the work. He may need to look beyond wrestling and, more importantly, beyond himself as the center of the universe.
Did you forget Ono?
Cmon now. You seriously trying to suggest Gilman best training partners at OSU or Iowa would be better than PSU?
Ono > RBY, Fix.
Blaze > Forrest, Vega.
Lee, Retherford > Kennedy.
I'm not sure how you arrived at your conclusion that OSU would be a better training environment but I very strongly disagree based on real world results.
Jimmy Kennedy - former Illinois wrestler and assistant coach of Northwestern, who left for PSU under some kind of COVID policy cloud, I believe.
Honestly, I could care less who does or does not speak English in South America or anywhere else besides the United States of America.
I could see him doing well as a street philosopher or shaman, maybe an astrologer.
Do you really think Ono is going to come to the US to train and go to school and not increase his understanding of the English language and communication skills significantly?
60 year olds were left behind well before No Child Left Behind was started in 2001.
Really poor example lol. Obviously education, opportunity, and resources were much, much different pre-NCLB than they were when 60 year olds went to school.
I'm so tired and misread that as "Astro Logger"
and immediately thought, "Yeah man, space logging will be a growth industry in a couple thousand years. Gilman would be perfect in that field."
"Are you tired of being pinned down in one crummy HOA for too long? Do you wish to travel to new and exciting planets, but still experience the lush wilderness? Become what you were born to be. Come be the philosophizing mountain man of the stars. Be an Astro Logger today!"
-Thomas Gilman, Chief Marketing Philosopher, Astro Logging, LLC
No, reread the post. If nothing matters than Gilman training with the absolute best (person) to compete, then Iowa is as good as any because of Lee. I don't buy the argument he is going to back to PSU to train and use LL as a barometer. Remember, he left Iowa BECAUSE Lee was a barometer.
Um, I'm sure he will but in the meantime how does he get into the school and how does he pass classes. Keep up....
Thousands of other students enroll in undergraduate classes in the US without speaking a lick of English? And unlike the thousands of other students, he also will be training to be the best wrestler in the country and US, competing in international competitions, etc
Talk yourself into this being a common occurrence, but it's not. However, it soon will be. The university track and field teams, soccer teams, volleyball teams are slowly becoming "international" and college sports will soon be owned by sponsors like Nike, McDonalds, Snickers, etc....
And thousands of other students aren't being recruited and paid $1M to come to a US college with limited English. If a kid with limited English comes to the US to learn, that's a far more promising success story than a kid being paid $1M to come and pick up some knowledge
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Then maybe I'm not understanding your point.
You're saying if Gilman wants to train with the absolute best person to compete..why would Lee be better than Ono in that regard? Are you saying in your opinion, Lee is better than Ono? Or am I missing something?
My point was in response to the rationale that Gilman is going back to PSU to use LL as a barometer. I don't buy it. I said there are just as good barometers at OSU in Forrest, Figs, RBY, Kennedy, etc.
There was a response that PSU is still better because they have Ono.
I said, well if having the best person to train with (Ono) is a deciding factor, then clearly Iowa should be considered because it has Lee. At Lee won't be at 61/65kg. But Gilman left Iowa because of the competition with Lee. So why is Ono being seen now as an asset in the argument, and not a detriment.
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Right, but Gilman left Iowa when he and Lee were competing at 57, so why go to PSU now if he'll be competing with Ono (at least in non-Olympic years) and LL. And if you say the others around, then I say Forrest, Figs and RBY are just as good for training purposes.
All of this suggests to me is that Gilman is going back to coach and help LL and Ono, not to train and use any on that roster as a barometer. Is 59kg even a weight class?
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Circumstances were significantly different when he left Iowa. He was in his prime and his biggest threat was a domestic opponent in the same room. Ono is 61KG and representing Japan, LL is 57KG. If Gilman wants to go 61KG, it might make sense. IDK Gilman's thought process and he might not know either.
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