Give me Otzelberger. Yeah I said it.

[ISUBryceC]

Hey Bryce why it is clown fans pick and choose what counts and what doesn’t? I mean last year clown fans ran their mouths about how awesome the Texas Ten was because of bowl game results. Now this year we must ignore that the Big Ten West had a much better bowl season than Texas Ten and clown fans refuse to acknowledge it. Nope they keep with their myth that the West sucks. Just that 5 douche culture you all are always touting.

Same thing with basketball. All we heard last year was all that mattered was the clowns beat us in December. Now all of a sudden the beat down the Hawks put on the clowns must also be ignored and doesn’t count for a multitude of reason.

Would really like an explanation of how this portion of the isu culture.

It sounds like you're interacting with morons and you should stop. That's my explanation.

For the record 2021 was a bad bowl season for me because ISU lost. That's really all I care about. Iowa has won 4 of 5 bowl games lately and is on a great run.

In basketball all that matters is the NCAA tournament. I've said this forever. The first goal is doing enough during the season to make it, and then what you do in it defines your season. There are a lot of great, fun things that can happen along the way but it's all about the tourney.

 

[Ronman]

It sounds like you're interacting with morons and you should stop. That's my explanation.

For the record 2021 was a bad bowl season for me because ISU lost. That's really all I care about. Iowa has won 4 of 5 bowl games lately and is on a great run.

In basketball all that matters is the NCAA tournament. I've said this forever. The first goal is doing enough during the season to make it, and then what you do in it defines your season. There are a lot of great, fun things that can happen along the way but it's all about the tourney.

So you won't be crowing if you finally actually win the Big 12 title outright for the first time in how long?

 

[HerkyFan]

It sounds like you're interacting with morons and you should stop. That's my explanation.

For the record 2021 was a bad bowl season for me because ISU lost. That's really all I care about. Iowa has won 4 of 5 bowl games lately and is on a great run.

In basketball all that matters is the NCAA tournament. I've said this forever. The first goal is doing enough during the season to make it, and then what you do in it defines your season. There are a lot of great, fun things that can happen along the way but it's all about the tourney.

The thing about clown fans that is tried and true is that what matters today will change as soon as Iowa exceeds isu in performance or isu fails to perform. I can easily see as soon as Iowa out performs isu in the NCAA tourney either clown fans will run away and hide, spin onto something else that they believe isu is better at or both. This has been repeating itself the past 30-40 years.

 

[ISUBryceC]

So you won't be crowing if you finally actually win the Big 12 title outright for the first time in how long?

If we win the Big 12 but get bounced in the 1st round, definitely not.

It'd be super exciting to win the conference but honestly I don't expect it at all. Only chance IMO is some massive tie at the top where a lot of teams are like 12-6. It'd be cool though. Would I come here and be a dick about it? Absolutely not.

 

[Psyclone]

So you won't be crowing if you finally actually win the Big 12 title outright for the first time in how long?

1999-2000 and 2000-2001 were the last regular season conference titles for Iowa State. Neither were shared. During that time Iowa State has also won five conference tournament titles, four of those in the last eight tournaments.

 

[relishingwinning18]

It sounds like you're interacting with morons and you should stop. That's my explanation.

For the record 2021 was a bad bowl season for me because ISU lost. That's really all I care about. Iowa has won 4 of 5 bowl games lately and is on a great run.

In basketball all that matters is the NCAA tournament. I've said this forever. The first goal is doing enough during the season to make it, and then what you do in it defines your season. There are a lot of great, fun things that can happen along the way but it's all about the tourney.

Since tj got on campus ISU is 36-16, while Iowa is 38-17. Let’s let the season play out. Isu fans bring up sweet 16s as it’s the only lopsided comparison between the 2 programs. It’s quite stupid. The only fan base in the country that measures itself by sweet 16s. The entire season matters, just like the Big Ten basketball tournament was great for Iowa fans last year. It all matters in determining how your season was. Iowa flopped against Richmond, it doesn’t nullify their season, just like Isu fans claimed after UAB. Finally, let’s be honest here, Iowa State got an amazing draw in the tournament. Close to home against an LSU team without a coach who was fired right before the tournament, then Hepburn gets injured in the Wisconsin game, good lord. Iowa gets rewarded by having to go to New York, and play in one of the earliest games after playing four games in four days, garbage. Pisses me off just thinking about this.

 

[Cydkar]

Since tj got on campus ISU is 36-16, while Iowa is 38-17. Let’s let the season play out. Isu fans bring up sweet 16s as it’s the only lopsided comparison between the 2 programs. It’s quite stupid. The only fan base in the country that measures itself by sweet 16s. The entire season matters, just like the Big Ten basketball tournament was great for Iowa fans last year. It all matters in determining how your season was. Iowa flopped against Richmond, it doesn’t nullify their season, just like Isu fans claimed after UAB. Finally, let’s be honest here, Iowa State got an amazing draw in the tournament. Close to home against an LSU team without a coach who was fired right before the tournament, then Hepburn gets injured in the Wisconsin game, good lord. Iowa gets rewarded by having to go to New York, and play in one of the earliest games after playing four games in four days, garbage. Pisses me off just thinking about this.

Fran's first 2 seasons at Iowa were 29-37. You aren't fooling anyone by comparing TJ's 1st two seasons to Fran's 12th and 13th.

 

[flynnhicks03]

Since tj got on campus ISU is 36-16, while Iowa is 38-17. Let’s let the season play out. Isu fans bring up sweet 16s as it’s the only lopsided comparison between the 2 programs. It’s quite stupid. The only fan base in the country that measures itself by sweet 16s. The entire season matters, just like the Big Ten basketball tournament was great for Iowa fans last year. It all matters in determining how your season was. Iowa flopped against Richmond, it doesn’t nullify their season, just like Isu fans claimed after UAB. Finally, let’s be honest here, Iowa State got an amazing draw in the tournament. Close to home against an LSU team without a coach who was fired right before the tournament, then Hepburn gets injured in the Wisconsin game, good lord. Iowa gets rewarded by having to go to New York, and play in one of the earliest games after playing four games in four days, garbage. Pisses me off just thinking about this.

Yeah, we're lucky we didn't get a brutal draw like Richmond 🤣

 

[HerkyFan]

Fran's first 2 seasons at Iowa were 29-37. You aren't fooling anyone by comparing TJ's 1st two seasons to Fran's 12th and 13th.

Frans first two years he couldn’t change his roster and take 52 transfers like TJ but this must be ignored because clown fans say so.

 

[HerkyFan]

Yeah, we're lucky we didn't get a brutal draw like Richmond 🤣

No the clowns needed to draw a team that fired their coach days before the tournament. But we must ignore because clown fans say so.

Just another day that ends in y.

 

[dogs rule]

Wisconsin fired their coach before Iowa State played them?

 

[Steamboat529529]

Frans first two years he couldn’t change his roster and take 52 transfers like TJ but this must be ignored because clown fans say so.

What about the Mayor doing this at Iowa State?!? It could have been done.

 

[HerkyFan]

What about the Mayor doing this at Iowa State?!? It could have been done.

None of Hoibergs transfers were under the same rules TJ had last year either.

Must ignore?

 

[Cydkar]

It's clear, from message boards, that everybody is happy with the coach that they have. All is good.

 

[83Hawk]

I've read on this board many times that it is not possible to recruit top players to Iowa.

Yet somehow ISU has 2 straight Top 10 classes coming in. To a team that just a couple years ago went winless in the Big 12. Somebody needs to tell them it can't be done.

 

[HerkyFan]

It's clear, from message boards, that everybody is happy with the coach that they have. All is good.

There it is clown fan argument show to be meaningless and they spin on to something else. Just another one of those days that ends in Y.

 

[HerkyFan]

I've read on this board many times that it is not possible to recruit top players to Iowa.

Yet somehow ISU has 2 straight Top 10 classes coming in. To a team that just a couple years ago went winless in the Big 12. Somebody needs to tell them it can't be done.

Will isu be able to keep these top players for more than a year? Their best player as a FR last year bolted after one season and is now playing for a conference rival.

 

[83Hawk]

Will isu be able to keep these top players for more than a year? Their best player as a FR last year bolted after one season and is now playing for a conference rival.

Who knows? The fact they are able to get these guys in the first place and Fran can't, shoots down the arguments of the Hawkeye fans who claim those types of players won't come to Iowa.

 

[dogs rule]

It appears that they don’t need to keep these guys more than a year since they just kicked the crap out of that top ten team. The guy clearly was a problem and ISU has done kinda ok without him.

 

[HerkyFan]

Who knows? The fact they are able to get these guys in the first place and Fran can't, shoots down the arguments of the Hawkeye fans cc c c c bwho claim those types of players won't come to Iowa.

My point is the clown fans love to have the world believe that TJ is the best thing since sliced bread but for that to be accurate then past isu history can’t occur. Yep Prohm’s first 2 years generated a sweet 16 and a conference tourney title and yet he ended up with a 2-22 season and got fired . Sure TJ has had a great recruiting class but does that mean they will stay and have an elite 8 or final four team? Only if isu’s recruits play as projected and stay at isu long enough to realize the potential.

 

[dogs rule]

My point is the clown fans love to have the world believe that TJ is the best thing since sliced bread but for that to be accurate then past isu history can’t occur. Yep Prohm’s first 2 years generated a sweet 16 and a conference tourney title and yet he ended up with a 2-22 season and got fired . Sure TJ has had a great recruiting class but does that mean they will stay and have an elite 8 or final four team? Only if isu’s recruits play as projected and stay at isu long enough to realize the potential.

Absolutely! So much excitement going on in Ames. Your frustration with Iowa basketball comes from false hope that Iowa actually has a solid team that may finally do something in the tournament by solidly handling Iowa State only to poop the bed against very weak to mediocre competition. Obviously the rivalry game meant everything to Iowa players and possibly fans and played in a way that game that was not sustainable.

 

[HerkyFan]

Absolutely! So much excitement going on in Ames. Your frustration with Iowa basketball comes from false hope that Iowa actually has a solid team that may finally do something in the tournament by solidly handling Iowa State only to poop the bed against very weak to mediocre competition. Obviously the rivalry game meant everything to Iowa players and possibly fans and played in a way that game that was not sustainable.

The Hawks played well against isu but have done the same if not better in other games. So I don’t see it as Iowa just getting up for one game. Rutgers on the road was a more impressive win in my book. I am not sure what to make of this Iowa team. They have the ability to beat high level teams and have shown the ability to play decent defense as well. The players I have been most disappointed in this season are Ulis and Perkins. They have been in the system long enough not to make rookie mistakes and yet they both are playing poorly enough that it costs us wins. Sure Ulis had 17 points last night but you still can have a PG with 6+ turnovers and not pay for it.

I will say if isu had Iowa’s offensive output they would win the national title and conversely if Iowa had isu’s defense output the same thing.

 

[MesaClone]

My point is the clown fans love to have the world believe that TJ is the best thing since sliced bread but for that to be accurate then past isu history can’t occur. Yep Prohm’s first 2 years generated a sweet 16 and a conference tourney title and yet he ended up with a 2-22 season and got fired . Sure TJ has had a great recruiting class but does that mean they will stay and have an elite 8 or final four team? Only if isu’s recruits play as projected and stay at isu long enough to realize the potential.

So everything TJ does that is impressive and objectively positive...bring in consecutive top 10 recruiting classes...take a 2-22 team from the previous year and go to the Sweet 16...lead the Big 12 (clearly the best conference in the nation) at the midpoint of the season....are all bad things that foreshadow coming doom and failure.

Sure, that's rational.

Its OK to dislike ISU...but you've surrendered your rationality and basic common. This is why nobody...even your Iowa colleagues here...gives any credence to anything you have to say. All of us are "fans"...most of us can still do basic logic when looking at other programs...even rival programs. For example, I...and most Cyclone fans...hate K-State with a deep and abiding viciousness...yet I must admit beyond doubt that they have a fantastic team/program and a tremendously good coach. Reason demands such an analysis.

 

[HerkyFan]

So everything TJ does that is impressive and objectively positive...bring in consecutive top 10 recruiting classes...take a 2-22 team from the previous year and go to the Sweet 16...lead the Big 12 (clearly the best conference in the nation) at the midpoint of the season....are all bad things that foreshadow coming doom and failure.

Sure, that's rational.

It’s OK to dislike ISU...but you've surrendered your rationality and basic common. This is why nobody...even your Iowa colleagues here...gives any credence to anything you have to say. All of us are "fans"...most of us can still do basic logic when looking at other programs...even rival programs. For example, I...and most Cyclone fans...hate K-State with a deep and abiding viciousness...yet I must admit beyond doubt that they have a fantastic team/program and a tremendously good coach. Reason demands such an analysis.

Mesa this isn’t so hard. Clown fans are wetting themselves now just like they did with Prohm. We all know how it ended with him and I am saying the same thing can happen with TJ.

No different than your newest savior in football. According to clown fans Campbell was to be the coach that took isu to new heights, keep them there and take over Iowa for good. Then reality smacked you in the face and the newest isu football savior is a lot like all the isu football saviors that preceded him. He returned isu to the cellar and by multiple games.

So forgive me if I say I have seen this movie before, multiple times in fact. Is isu’s long standing history suddenly wrong? Nope but pointing it out is a crime that clown fans demand capital punishment for.

Must we ignore all this?

 

[Cydkar]

There it is clown fan argument show to be meaningless and they spin on to something else. Just another one of those days that ends in Y.

That's not an argument, dipshit.

 

[HerkyFan]

That's not an argument, dipshit.

Sure it was moron. You said TJ was so much better than Fran because of his first two years. I blew away that argument showing how different the transfer situation was for TJ as opposed to what Fran had. But hey of course that must be ignored because you and other clown fans say so.

 

[ISUBryceC]

Mesa this isn’t so hard. Clown fans are wetting themselves now just like they did with Prohm. We all know how it ended with him and I am saying the same thing can happen with TJ.

It's not a remotely comparable situation. Prohm took over a 10 top roster and proceeded to decline every year.

TJ took over an awful roster and has delivered in every possible way.

 

[HerkyFan]

It's not a remotely comparable situation. Prohm took over a 10 top roster and proceeded to decline every year.

TJ took over an awful roster and has delivered in every possible way.

See here I remember clown fans wetting themselves over Tyrese Hunter. Same thing with THT and Halliburton. Now all of a sudden they don’t count. So it doesn’t count because clown fans say so. Thank god we have clown fans that can tell us what does and doesn’t count.

 

[ISUBryceC]

Sure it was moron. You said TJ was so much better than Fran because of his first two years. I blew away that argument showing how different the transfer situation was for TJ as opposed to what Fran had. But hey of course that must be ignored because you and other clown fans say so.

Correct. You can't compare TJ's first two years versus Fran's first two years.

I'm comparing TJ's first two years and Frans career. He's done something Fran never has in 25 years of coaching in his first year at ISU, and I love this season and the trajectory ISU is on. I understand you're not sold. That's completely fine, TJ isn't coaching to impress you.

 

[DewHawk]

Correct. You can't compare TJ's first two years versus Fran's first two years.

I'm comparing TJ's first two years and Frans career. He's done something Fran never has in 25 years of coaching in his first year at ISU, and I love this season and the trajectory ISU is on. I understand you're not sold. That's completely fine, TJ isn't coaching to impress you.

Well, as a Hawkeye fan for life I am impressed with TJ to-date. But I root for all Iowa sports teams when not playing Iowa.

 

[HerkyFan]

Correct. You can't compare TJ's first two years versus Fran's first two years.

I'm comparing TJ's first two years and Frans career. He's done something Fran never has in 25 years of coaching in his first year at ISU, and I love this season and the trajectory ISU is on. I understand you're not sold. That's completely fine, TJ isn't coaching to impress you.

I love it now clown fans are back to the trajectory argument. It wasnt so long ago clown fans were arguing the same thing with gods gift to college football coaching Matty Campbell. Now all of a sudden trajectory isn’t something they want to talk about. Wait check that, clown fans want to talk trajectory of TJ but no one else. Hell it isn’t even fair to say well based on isu history TJ May end up no different than past isu coaches. Nope can’t use 120 years history that isn’t playing fair either. Good lord clown fans sure try hard at this.

I guess we must pick and choose what does and doesn’t count. We must pick and choose when “trajectory” matters and for only certain and select coaches and sports but by god don’t laugh at clown fans for putting these arguments forth that is completely unfair.

Mustering up my best cousin Eddie voice when I say “you serious Bryce”?

 

[Cydkar]

Sure it was moron. You said TJ was so much better than Fran because of his first two years. I blew away that argument showing how different the transfer situation was for TJ as opposed to what Fran had. But hey of course that must be ignored because you and other clown fans say so.

"It's clear, from message boards, that everybody is happy with the coach that they have. All is good."

That quote is not an argument by any definition.

 

[HerkyFan]

"It's clear, from message boards, that everybody is happy with the coach that they have. All is good."

That quote is not an argument by any definition.

You also said TJ was better than Fran because of his record in first 2 years . I trashed at argument with the fact that transfers today are vastly different than they were in Frans first 2 years . Recruiting as a whole is vastly different but hey don’t let that slow you down.

 

[Steamboat529529]

See here I remember clown fans wetting themselves over Tyrese Hunter. Same thing with THT and Halliburton. Now all of a sudden they don’t count. So it doesn’t count because clown fans say so. Thank god we have clown fans that can tell us what does and doesn’t count.

And you highlighted three guards (plus many more in the last decade) that are better than any guard iowa has recruited in the past decade. That’s the difference in the programs. It’s crazy to compare guard play between the two schools the last ten years. I don’t get how Iowa can’t get any of those caliber of guards.

 

[ISUBryceC]

See here I remember clown fans wetting themselves over Tyrese Hunter. Same thing with THT and Halliburton. Now all of a sudden they don’t count. So it doesn’t count because clown fans say so. Thank god we have clown fans that can tell us what does and doesn’t count.

I literally don't know what you're arguing here, it doesn't relate to what I said.

I said Prohm took over a top 10 roster, that's a fact. I said he proceeded to oversee the program into a historic decline, that is also a fact. The fact that he recruited good players (you didn't mention Wigginton) actually goes to show just how bad he was at coaching the actual games.

 

[ISUBryceC]

I love it now clown fans are back to the trajectory argument. It wasnt so long ago clown fans were arguing the same thing with gods gift to college football coaching Matty Campbell. Now all of a sudden trajectory isn’t something they want to talk about. Wait check that, clown fans want to talk trajectory of TJ but no one else. Hell it isn’t even fair to say well based on isu history TJ May end up no different than past isu coaches. Nope can’t use 120 years history that isn’t playing fair either. Good lord clown fans sure try hard at this.

I guess we must pick and choose what does and doesn’t count. We must pick and choose when “trajectory” matters and for only certain and select coaches and sports but by god don’t laugh at clown fans for putting these arguments forth that is completely unfair.

Mustering up my best cousin Eddie voice when I say “you serious Bryce”?

So you're of the opinion that TJ will tank at ISU from here?

 

[Steamboat529529]

So you're of the opinion that TJ will tank at ISU from here?

Iowa State bball has been better than iowa for the past decade or two decades (results wise) and is on a better trajectory than the hawks. Conversely, Iowa football has been better than iowa state for the past decade or two decades, and if we didn’t have our offensive coaching issue, they’d be on a much better trajectory than the cyclones too.

 

[83Hawk]

I love it now clown fans are back to the trajectory argument. It wasnt so long ago clown fans were arguing the same thing with gods gift to college football coaching Matty Campbell. Now all of a sudden trajectory isn’t something they want to talk about. Wait check that, clown fans want to talk trajectory of TJ but no one else. Hell it isn’t even fair to say well based on isu history TJ May end up no different than past isu coaches. Nope can’t use 120 years history that isn’t playing fair either. Good lord clown fans sure try hard at this.

I guess we must pick and choose what does and doesn’t count. We must pick and choose when “trajectory” matters and for only certain and select coaches and sports but by god don’t laugh at clown fans for putting these arguments forth that is completely unfair.

Mustering up my best cousin Eddie voice when I say “you serious Bryce”?

Normally your comments about ISU fans are spot on. But you are failing in this thread.

 

[HerkyFan]

And you highlighted three guards (plus many more in the last decade) that are better than any guard iowa has recruited in the past decade. That’s the difference in the programs. It’s crazy to compare guard play between the two schools the last ten years. I don’t get how Iowa can’t get any of those caliber of guards.

So now we have to pick and choose to only certain positions.

 

[Steamboat529529]

So now we have to pick and choose to only certain positions.

Iowa’s three through five has been fantastic with Fran. Guards are completely opposite.