They did it before all high school events while I was growing up too. Haven't been to a high school event in probably 15 years or so though so maybe that stopped.
GOP lawmakers want Iowa students to sing national anthem daily
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Every day that goes by is a day this country fails to make the Nation Anthem the Team America theme song
To a former russian studies grad such as myself, this has always been something of a hilarious scene because of how, for half of them, their fake russian accents are just awful, and for the other half, they're just mailing it in and slurring a bunch of jibberish together
Also think of the poor teachers that have to listen to a bunch of elementary kids who can’t sing for shit.
They let elementary school kids sing the anthem at the Drake games and local minor league games and it’s pretty cringey.
Now having to listen to that every day. Pay teachers more.
They let elementary school kids sing the anthem at the Drake games and local minor league games and it’s pretty cringey.
Now having to listen to that every day. Pay teachers more.
Teachers listen to little ones singing lots of songs that are not the NA. If you can’t sing you can’t sing. Song doesn’t matter.
I can see them try to make a bunch of 8 thru 12 graders sing the.national them. Good luck with that.
Most just stand there and mouth or mumble. At least my seniors did. No big deal IMO.
Whew, good thing they are already out of school or they’d be violating the law.
Side note I am 42 and never sang the national anthem in school.
But if you have been taught that the very country they live in is evil. This is what you get. People who actually believe that having to sing or say the pledge might actually make them seem conforming to evil. Sent there asses to China or Russia or the Middle East for a while. They'd come back and scream the national anthem at the top of their lungs. F-ing privileged aholes have lost all respect for everything. Maybe they could use some of the stories we listened to about the Great Depression and WW2.
“Wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.”I don’t know how you define true patriotism, but I know it when I see it!
Hollow gestures is what conservatives believe to be patriotism. They will shout proudly how much they support the military, while denying basic health care and housing for veterans.
This is a Pepsi from yesterday (sorry OP)...but I'm adding my response because I'm proud of it.
Regarding the singing bill - from the register article:
"The bill would only apply to public schools. Private schools would be exempt from the requirement."
Iowa R's be like this to everybody with teeth in the state of Ioway:
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Regarding the singing bill - from the register article:
"The bill would only apply to public schools. Private schools would be exempt from the requirement."
Iowa R's be like this to everybody with teeth in the state of Ioway:
Iowa GOP legislators working to help make the state a better and prosperous place
iowa.forums.rivals.com
Meanwhile, the Iowa legislature cuts Iowa public school funding to instead fund private school vouchers for the wealthy. Where they cannot require private school kids to sing the national anthem, pledge of allegiance, etc.
Is that correct?
Is that correct?
Singing is one of the performing arts. Careful nutters, this could be carefully planned grooming—a gateway to showtunes.
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Do you think students should be forced to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance and/or stand and sing the National Anthem?
At the end of the day I think legislators have much better things to focus on. But substitute “passing an American history and government course with a curriculum designed by xyz (pick your poison)” isn’t that much different. The reality is that a big purpose of public education has been civic formation.
It would be one thing if they were doing this after solving the many many problems this state has. Future generations are going to look back and say... you wasted time mandating students saying the national anthem and did nothing to prevent this shitstorm from occurring?
Their kind of indoctrination is fine though. Always hypocritical.
Notice how quickly the right wingers cower when asked straight forward questions?
This makes me as mad as anything they do …yet vets will vote for them.
I'm still trying to figure out why this is a ****ing priority right now.
Today’s Dumbest Idea of Year brought to you by, unsurprisingly, the Iowa Republican Party.
Quick question. I don't know. Are Iowa lawmakers required by code to sing the Anthem everyday?
Well fortunately private schools don't have to do this.. see we can give them taxpayer money, and pretend taxpayer money is "your money" to spend (which doesn't apply to anything else though, because reasons), but can't require them to do anything else..
Excuse me, but “UNPHUQUIN’ BELIEVABLE!
WTF is the Ioway Legislature thinking?
What about “The Internationale” for an encore.....and how about a little “Deutschland Uber Alles” for our Hitler/Nazi/ German friends, too!
Jeeeeebus phuquin’ keeeerist....And this is a “good idea” in whose phuquin’ book?
Nothing teaches patriotism like a little forced fed gruel!
WTF is the Ioway Legislature thinking?
What about “The Internationale” for an encore.....and how about a little “Deutschland Uber Alles” for our Hitler/Nazi/ German friends, too!
Jeeeeebus phuquin’ keeeerist....And this is a “good idea” in whose phuquin’ book?
Nothing teaches patriotism like a little forced fed gruel!
Is this a joke? They don't even know the words. Shes reading off the paper. Guess this answers my question if they have to sing it everyday. Clearly they don't. Buncha lying hypocritical clowns. Rules for thee but not for me.
Patently unconstitutional if actually made mandatory. At least until the courts tear up an 80 year old venerated precedent. Justice Jackson's opinion for the Court put it best:
"The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.
We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control."
West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 US 624 (1943).
"The case is made difficult not because the principles of its decision are obscure but because the flag involved is our own. Nevertheless, we apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.
We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control."
West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 US 624 (1943).
It would not be the first time this Ioway Legislature would write and pass a law that was patently unconstitutional!
I'm a patriotic American, but this is a bad idea. Civics class should be mandatory at least once.
I still can't get over these lawmakers forcing kids to do this when they don't do it themselves. I'm almost embarrassed for them.
We used to walk to school no matter
The weather. If we had a disagreement we settled it with our metal lunch boxes
In the school yard. Once inside we stood
At attention and hand over heart recited
The Pledge. If anyone messes up the paddle
or stick came out. We then listened to the
National Anthem over the intercom.
The weather. If we had a disagreement we settled it with our metal lunch boxes
In the school yard. Once inside we stood
At attention and hand over heart recited
The Pledge. If anyone messes up the paddle
or stick came out. We then listened to the
National Anthem over the intercom.
