Hawks Being Out Hustled In Recruiting By ISU and the Big 10

[MattFoleyHawk]

Say what you will about wins and losses, but when it comes to putting in EFFORT in recruiting, Kirk Ferentz lags behind almost every other coach in the midwest. While lowly ISU coaches, who make a fraction of Ferentz's staff, and have nothing to sell to recruits other than hope and prayers, are out busting their A$$ses in California, Texas, and Florida begging, borrowing, and stealing to get athletes to at least visit Lames, Kirk and Brian are phoning it in and settling for kids from Cedar Rapids and Solon. Pretty sad, but the recruiting spending numbers from the Des Moines register don't lie.

If we want to compete with the big boys, we need to pull recruits from talent rich states like the rest of the Big 10 does.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/2015/03/17/football-recruiting-iowa-state/24913477/

There is absolutely nothing in the desmoines register article that supports your ludicrous rant. KF's recruiting 'system' worked well for a while, but they have seen that 'some' changes needed to be made and are working diligently to improve it. There is no magic formula, or 'manual' to it, you have to find a system that works for your particular institute and situation. And, as I and others have shown on numerous occasion, attrition has hurt the program more (starting with the rhabdo event, that was caused by these dangerous energy drinks) than 'lack' of recruiting or 'hustling' (whatever that means?)...
If anyone has any ideas on improving retention of recruits it would be much better time spent that these ignorant posts.

 

[gryzz14]

There is absolutely nothing in the desmoines register article that supports your ludicrous rant. KF's recruiting 'system' worked well for a while, but they have seen that 'some' changes needed to be made and are working diligently to improve it. There is no magic formula, or 'manual' to it, you have to find a system that works for your particular institute and situation. And, as I and others have shown on numerous occasion, attrition has hurt the program more (starting with the rhabdo event, that was caused by these dangerous energy drinks) than 'lack' of recruiting or 'hustling' (whatever that means?)...
If anyone has any ideas on improving retention of recruits it would be much better time spent that these ignorant posts.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. The 13 Rhabdo victims that needed hospitalization were not caused by energy drinks. You can easily google that a university investigation found that the cause was the workout program.

This link from the clinical journal of sports medicine specifically states that energy drinks were not the cause and the cause was mandating the extreme workout after a 3 week lull in workouts: http://easacademy.org/research-news/article/exertional-rhabdomyolysis-research-study#bmb=1

Ferentz only made this worse by giving strength and conditioning coach Doyle the assistant coach of the year award 3 months after this happened. Akin to President Bush telling FEMA head Brown he was doing a heck of a job after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

Last year, a former athlete filed suit against the university and coaches for Rhabdo. Rhabdo was swept under the rug because it was a year after the Orange Bowl victory. But it may actually might be one of the major factors sinking the program, as Iowa has not been as successful since.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. The 13 Rhabdo victims that needed hospitalization were not caused by energy drinks. You can easily google that a university investigation found that the cause was the workout program.

This link from the clinical journal of sports medicine specifically states that energy drinks were not the cause and the cause was mandating the extreme workout after a 3 week lull in workouts: http://easacademy.org/research-news/article/exertional-rhabdomyolysis-research-study#bmb=1

Ferentz only made this worse by giving strength and conditioning coach Doyle the assistant coach of the year award 3 months after this happened. Akin to President Bush telling FEMA head Brown he was doing a heck of a job after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

Last year, a former athlete filed suit against the university and coaches for Rhabdo. Rhabdo was swept under the rug because it was a year after the Orange Bowl victory. But it may actually might be one of the major factors sinking the program, as Iowa has not been as successful since.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. The 13 Rhabdo victims that needed hospitalization were not caused by energy drinks. You can easily google that a university investigation found that the cause was the workout program.

This link from the clinical journal of sports medicine specifically states that energy drinks were not the cause and the cause was mandating the extreme workout after a 3 week lull in workouts: http://easacademy.org/research-news/article/exertional-rhabdomyolysis-research-study#bmb=1

Ferentz only made this worse by giving strength and conditioning coach Doyle the assistant coach of the year award 3 months after this happened. Akin to President Bush telling FEMA head Brown he was doing a heck of a job after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

Last year, a former athlete filed suit against the university and coaches for Rhabdo. Rhabdo was swept under the rug because it was a year after the Orange Bowl victory. But it may actually might be one of the major factors sinking the program, as Iowa has not been as successful since.

The report states no such thing about energy drinks not being the cause. They didn't even investigate (or at least include in the report) whether energy drinks were consumed PRIOR TO THE WORKOUT. It CLEARLY states that they only investigated what was consumed DURING and AFTER the workout. Iowa has never allowed caffeine laden energy drinks to be consumed during training. These same workouts had been conducted in the past with no adverse affects, and too many squats doesn't explain why womens swim and lacrosse teams (and firefighters, etc.) have suffered rhabdo. You need to do some more reading. There are all kinds of studies and cases of incidences when consuming energy drinks with dangerous levels of caffeine prior to strenuous activity.
P.S. And it wans't a university study...

 

[Birky]

Rhabdo was swept under the rug?

Iowa must have the world's worst sweepers of things to hide under a rug.

 

[gryzz14]

The report states no such thing about energy drinks not being the cause. They didn't even investigate (or at least include in the report) whether energy drinks were consumed PRIOR TO THE WORKOUT. It CLEARLY states that they only investigated what was consumed DURING and AFTER the workout. Iowa has never allowed caffeine laden energy drinks to be consumed during training. These same workouts had been conducted in the past with no adverse affects, and too many squats doesn't explain why womens swim and lacrosse teams (and firefighters, etc.) have suffered rhabdo. You need to do some more reading. There are all kinds of studies and cases of incidences when consuming energy drinks with dangerous levels of caffeine prior to strenuous activity.
P.S. And it wans't a university study...

No, the study was in the clinical journal of sports medicine, a peer reviewed journal. The University of Iowa did their own investigation right after the incident.

When they blame the workout, it's not the type of workout, it's the amount of reps and weight used after not working out for 3 weeks. Being dehydrated or not having enough fuel might increase the risk of Rhabdo, but the main cause is lifting a large amount of weight (1/2 max rep) many times (100) after not doing so for a long period of time (3 week winter break after bowl game). 78 players did the exercise, 13 got Rhabdo. Those 13 most likely did little exercise over winter break.

When I say swept under the rug, I mean Ferentz rewarded Doyle instead of firing him. Can you imagine what would happen if Rhabdo happened yesterday rather than 5 years ago? Guessing lower ticket sales would be the least of Barta's worries.

 

[MepoDawg#]

No, the study was in the clinical journal of sports medicine, a peer reviewed journal. The University of Iowa did their own investigation right after the incident.

When they blame the workout, it's not the type of workout, it's the amount of reps and weight used after not working out for 3 weeks. Being dehydrated or not having enough fuel might increase the risk of Rhabdo, but the main cause is lifting a large amount of weight (1/2 max rep) many times (100) after not doing so for a long period of time (3 week winter break after bowl game). 78 players did the exercise, 13 got Rhabdo. Those 13 most likely did little exercise over winter break.

When I say swept under the rug, I mean Ferentz rewarded Doyle instead of firing him. Can you imagine what would happen if Rhabdo happened yesterday rather than 5 years ago? Guessing lower ticket sales would be the least of Barta's worries.

So

No, the study was in the clinical journal of sports medicine, a peer reviewed journal. The University of Iowa did their own investigation right after the incident.

When they blame the workout, it's not the type of workout, it's the amount of reps and weight used after not working out for 3 weeks. Being dehydrated or not having enough fuel might increase the risk of Rhabdo, but the main cause is lifting a large amount of weight (1/2 max rep) many times (100) after not doing so for a long period of time (3 week winter break after bowl game). 78 players did the exercise, 13 got Rhabdo. Those 13 most likely did little exercise over winter break.

When I say swept under the rug, I mean Ferentz rewarded Doyle instead of firing him. Can you imagine what would happen if Rhabdo happened yesterday rather than 5 years ago? Guessing lower ticket sales would be the least of Barta's worries.

If those 13 did little training over break, but the other 65 did training which I'm sure they were instructed to then it's all on KF and Doyle for not going home with those 13 amd making sure they did their workouts. It was a freak thing that happened once out of multiple times the workout was done. There's probably fault on both sides.

 

[IOU1]

Actually I would say you are the young one that doesn't no sh*t about football. Those of us that have been around awhile know that Ferentz didn't do anything for the program besides let Norm Parker run the show. He needs to go on a terror to be considered an average coach.

Not sure how this little nugget slipped through the cracks...but it is gold, pure gold.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

No, the study was in the clinical journal of sports medicine, a peer reviewed journal. The University of Iowa did their own investigation right after the incident.

When they blame the workout, it's not the type of workout, it's the amount of reps and weight used after not working out for 3 weeks. Being dehydrated or not having enough fuel might increase the risk of Rhabdo, but the main cause is lifting a large amount of weight (1/2 max rep) many times (100) after not doing so for a long period of time (3 week winter break after bowl game). 78 players did the exercise, 13 got Rhabdo. Those 13 most likely did little exercise over winter break.

When I say swept under the rug, I mean Ferentz rewarded Doyle instead of firing him. Can you imagine what would happen if Rhabdo happened yesterday rather than 5 years ago? Guessing lower ticket sales would be the least of Barta's worries.

Those 13 (from what I have been told), were drinking alcoholic beverages with energy drinks the night before and maybe an energy shot prior to the workout. No, the energy drinks themselves did not cause rhabdo (others may have consumed them with no adverse affects), but the workout did not cause it alone also, as 65 players can attest to. Go read about what these drinks can do. As I said, THEY ARE DANGEROUS, and there are plenty of studies to support it. Go read! Even ESPN did an article on energy drinks playing a part in a training incident. The study did not 'blame' anything, but was an in-depth review of what took place. The only 'conclusion' that was drawn, was that if the athletes consume protein shakes right away, it may prevent or offset the damage.
They know what the catalyst to causing it was, but without conclusive evidence (and not enough studies have been done in USA, they have in Europe and other countries), they cannot state such without opening themselves up to lawsuits. Why should Doyle be fired for naïve young men consuming alcohol and energy drinks prior to a grueling workout? He can only control what he can control, which is what the study was for.
That short of time off is nothing to athletes of this caliber. Power lifters normally cycle down to almost nothing weeks prior to a meet to allow their muscles to 'heal'. You're drawing a lot of conclusions that arent' in evidence. Just go read.

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

So

If those 13 did little training over break, but the other 65 did training which I'm sure they were instructed to then it's all on KF and Doyle for not going home with those 13 amd making sure they did their workouts. It was a freak thing that happened once out of multiple times the workout was done. There's probably fault on both sides.

They may have been told to go take it easy during break, we don't know, but anyone who knows anything about lifting, knows you can't train non stop, so it wouldn't surprise me. You have to let the 'body' recoup periodically...

 

[gryzz14]

I've tried googling rhabdo and energy drinks and watched a video on dangers of energy drinks on ESPN, but that was about causing heart issues and seizures.

Strenuous workouts like crossfit are notorious for Rhabdo. The Iowa players had symptoms of Rhabdo (very dark urine and extreme muscle pains) and were made to work out the next day and a couple of days later. I don't think you blame the players; when you do extreme workouts it's the coach's job to make sure players are safe. I think it was the workout, not a couple of Jager Bombs the night before.

Think it was a mistake on the coaching, hope that William Lowe's lawsuit is settled or is not in the press. I'm done posting about it, though, will let you have the last word on it. Just wanted to say that it was the extreme workout, like crossfit or Insanity, that causes Rhabdo, not energy drinks.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Researchers-Draw-Conclusions-on-2011-Rhabdo-Outbreak-224319821.html

 

[MattFoleyHawk]

I've tried googling rhabdo and energy drinks and watched a video on dangers of energy drinks on ESPN, but that was about causing heart issues and seizures.

Strenuous workouts like crossfit are notorious for Rhabdo. The Iowa players had symptoms of Rhabdo (very dark urine and extreme muscle pains) and were made to work out the next day and a couple of days later. I don't think you blame the players; when you do extreme workouts it's the coach's job to make sure players are safe. I think it was the workout, not a couple of Jager Bombs the night before.

Think it was a mistake on the coaching, hope that William Lowe's lawsuit is settled or is not in the press. I'm done posting about it, though, will let you have the last word on it. Just wanted to say that it was the extreme workout, like crossfit or Insanity, that causes Rhabdo, not energy drinks.

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Researchers-Draw-Conclusions-on-2011-Rhabdo-Outbreak-224319821.html

I respect your thoughts on the matter and I can agree to disagree. Probably not the most well thought out workout, but we'll probably never know the extenuating circumstances that caused some to be affected and not others. But 'overdoses' of energy drinks can cause rhabdo all by itself with little or no strenuous activity. And going back on topic, it was a tragic event that led to depth problems that took a few years to overcome. I think it is getting back on track now.

 

[cohawk]

Say what you will about wins and losses, but when it comes to putting in EFFORT in recruiting, Kirk Ferentz lags behind almost every other coach in the midwest. While lowly ISU coaches, who make a fraction of Ferentz's staff, and have nothing to sell to recruits other than hope and prayers, are out busting their A$$ses in California, Texas, and Florida begging, borrowing, and stealing to get athletes to at least visit Lames, Kirk and Brian are phoning it in and settling for kids from Cedar Rapids and Solon. Pretty sad, but the recruiting spending numbers from the Des Moines register don't lie.

If we want to compete with the big boys, we need to pull recruits from talent rich states like the rest of the Big 10 does.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/2015/03/17/football-recruiting-iowa-state/24913477/

Hmmm this post seems humorous now.

Some of our fans need a good dose of patience.