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Christianity and Islam are fundamentally opposed, but believing in one of them doesn't require, or mean, that you 'hate' the other. There is plenty of room for nuance.

I can't believe that I just defended Aaron Brooks.... I hate the way it makes me feel.

His words were hateful and divisive. He seems to be doing religion wrong; as are all of those who jumped in to agree.
 
This is truly an incomplete picture. The Quran teaches their religion is to ultimately be a theocracy, and other religions can only be "tolerated" if they are fully subjugated and forced to pay the Jizya. And so-called "tolerance' means religions like Christianity can't preach to anybody but the camels. The proof is that there has not been, nor is there today, an Islamic controlled nation where I can preach to Muslims and start a church. Aaron Brooks would have a death sentence on him right now if he said this in in Saudia Arabia, Iran, Et al.

On the other hand, Christianity has zero commands to be a part of, let alone to be in control of, the government. The command is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. They are polar opposites in that regard. And any time that has happened in history it's been a gross abuse of the text.

However, this is a wrestling board and I'm not saying anything further. But I have practical experience in multiple Muslim nations and a lot more information on this topic from decades of examining it.

Read the actual scriptures and not man’s interpretation. I dunno what else to say to that.
 
Read the thread , then get back to me. I’ll help you because it appears you need it:

“He deserves it.”

If you were paying attention you would’ve seen this post. It was four posts in.
You okay now ? Words on a screen not upsetting you now?
Can you even read or do you get too upset when anyone challenges you? I didn't ask or care who you thought should win. Not once. I was commenting on your inability to call out and make excuses for Starocci being classless. That is it. And by the way, I defended Brooks so I have the ability to see past who someone wrestles for.
 
His words were hateful and divisive. He seems to be doing religion wrong; as are all of those who jumped in to agree.
That’s such an ignorant view. Most religions are incompatible. You can’t believe Islam and Christianity. Both believe the other are destined for judgment.

If the Bible is accurate, God is real, and Jesus is Gods son, sent to the world to take punishment for our sins, nothing could be more loving than what Aaron said. To not share that is the opposite of love from a biblical world view.

To view this differently is to not understand what scripture teaches. God is about love. That is why he sent his son, there is no other way to the father than through Jesus. That is what Aaron said. That is what the New Testament screams. Over and over and over and over. No other way. Without faith in Jesus, from a Christian biblical worldview, you will be judged and found guilty.
 
That’s such an ignorant view. Most religions are incompatible. You can’t believe Islam and Christianity. Both believe the other are destined for judgment.

If the Bible is accurate, God is real, and Jesus is Gods son, sent to the world to take punishment for our sins, nothing could be more loving than what Aaron said. To not share that is the opposite of love from a biblical world view.

To view this differently is to not understand what scripture teaches. Please do not share false narratives about Christians. God us about love. That’s is why he sent his son, there is no other way to the father than through him. He is not about affirming our feelings, or varying views on the world.

You can believe your religion is the one true one without being hateful and divisive, and without mocking the other. If Christianity is about love, then Brooks is doing it wrong, as his words were spiteful, not loving.
 
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You can believe your religion is the one true one without being hateful and divisive, and without mocking the other. If Christianity is about love, then Brooks is doing it wrong, as his words were spiteful, not loving.
Wow, there wasn't a hateful word. In truth, he didn't even call Muhammad a false prophet. But that takes actually listening to what he said without overreacting.
 
No you cannot. Christians are called to evangelize. It’s the great commission. It’s a imperative commandment from Jesus.

His view, as is mine and every evangelical Christian, is those who have not put their faith in the atoning work of Christ will be judged as guilty. And as such spend eternity in hell.

To not share that good news, if you believe it is true, is the most unloving thing one could do.

I think Aaron’s comments were the most incredible gospel presention in a sports interview of all time. Incredible. He’s a favorite athlete of mine for his courage and dedication for the Lord. Not being fearful of a new age message of “acceptance.” It’s not about acceptance and that’s what you can’t grasp. It’s about what is true.
you guys take your religion crap someplace else or i will riddle this thread with a bunch of gds over and over
I wasn’t the one who brought religion in.

It’s so ironic that it’s hateful to say what Aaron said, a fundamental teaching of Christian faith. If you don’t unabashedly accept and do your best to not affirm every religion you’re hateful.

You can believe your religion is the one true one without being hateful and divisive, and without mocking the other. If Christianity is about love, then Brooks is doing it wrong, as his words were spiteful, not loving.
Again, its somehow loving to not share news that Christians believe will save someone’s soul.

Sounds like those who get upset about doctors telling them to lose weight, as fat shaming. Support and kindness in the absence of truth is not love.

Count me as a HUGE Aaron Brooks fan moving forward. Star Kerk and the rest of the crew I hope flounder, but I must give PSU credit they’ve turned out some awesome young men (Taylor is another that comes to mind). Hate their program still.
 
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I own a Quran. And have read it. I have studied with Muslims, and I have dozens of quotes from the Quran to back up what I say. But I'm not doing it on this wrestling board.
That not even bringing in the Hadeefs which are considered sacred texts.
 
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PSU fans are so defensive about this. He's not exciting, but he's still incredible. He's also one of the poorest sports in wrestling, as he demonstrated here.
Can’t stand Penn state but when he came out to Michael Meyers theme music then committed murder on labs… that was sic. Then he acts like a fool on Twitter :/ that wore off quick
 
From WIN magazine who gives out the trophy https://www.win-magazine.com/win-awards/hodge-trophy/
Hodge Criteria:
Parris Starocci

1 – Record (33-0) (24-0)
2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage (63.34%) (66.67%)
3 – Quality of Competition
4 – Sportsmanship
Paris was #1 in winning %, total matches, total wins, wins vs. all-americans, bonus wins, falls & overall dominance.

The only category he wasn’t #1 in was bonus %, where he was #5- Alirez was #1 there.

But to you point starrocci prob won the sportsmanship category - bahaha!
 
Paris was #1 in winning %, total matches, total wins, wins vs. all-americans, bonus wins, falls & overall dominance.

The only category he wasn’t #1 in was bonus %, where he was #5- Alirez was #1 there.

But to you point starrocci prob won the sportsmanship category - bahaha!
Wasn’t Starocci also undefeated? Because then winning % would be the same. It’s like batting average, if I have 502 plate appearances I’m eligible for the title. If you have 602 and the same average we would be tied.
I personally believe Paris is a solid choice and deserves it btw.
 
Move the religious discussion over to Off-Topic, or this thread is getting locked.
My bad for starting it, I think it's fair to criticize him for it but clearly can't be discussed on the wrestling board without going off the rails.
 
I own a Quran. And have read it. I have studied with Muslims, and I have dozens of quotes from the Quran to back up what I say. But I'm not doing it on this wrestling board.

I can respect that, but the topic came up because a wrestler made mention of his religion while coming after another religion. It’s at least wrestling tangential.
 
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Paris was #1 in winning %, total matches, total wins, wins vs. all-americans, bonus wins, falls & overall dominance.

The only category he wasn’t #1 in was bonus %, where he was #5- Alirez was #1 there.

But to you point starrocci prob won the sportsmanship category - bahaha!
I do think Parris was the right choice. I do think C Star has at least some room to have a gripe about the results. Really Alirez probably does too.
 
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I do think Parris was the right choice. I do think C Star has at least some room to have a gripe about the results. Really Alirez probably does too.
It's hard to argue against Parris. Whatever the case, really a bad look for a candidate who didn't receive the award to be snarky about it on Twitter. Just extremely immature behavior, and probably some pretty good evidence that the proper candidate was selected.
 
I do think Parris was the right choice. I do think C Star has at least some room to have a gripe about the results. Really Alirez probably does too.
I ran into an old schoolmate of his this week at the gym. He mentioned he was a tireless worker, had a great family but never really had a lot. There were also people who expressed doubt about his future success at PSU. I'm betting that played a part in his attitude or strategy. However I don't like the look at me social media silliness but I get these days people make money from this strategy.
 
My bad for starting it, I think it's fair to criticize him for it but clearly can't be discussed on the wrestling board without going off the rails.
Christianity on this board is attacked daily with the non stop JFC, GD, comments. Somehow it has became mainstream and acceptable to blasphemy Christainity but taboo to say anything bad about Islam.
That's all I'll say about that.
 
Christianity on this board is attacked daily with the non stop JFC, GD, comments. Somehow it has became mainstream and acceptable to blasphemy Christainity but taboo to say anything bad about Islam.
That's all I'll say about that.

Yeah, l mean that one political party is trying to impose their religion on the rest of us and then will be open about racially profiling the other religion because the 9/11 Terrorists look like that is proof Christianity is treated unfairly.
 
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Wasn’t Starocci also undefeated? Because then winning % would be the same. It’s like batting average, if I have 502 plate appearances I’m eligible for the title. If you have 602 and the same average we would be tied.
I personally believe Paris is a solid choice and deserves it btw.
Yes but paris wrestled full schedule - no matches off. More wins.
 
To try and get this back on track, anyone know what the pfp rankings were for Jesus and Muhammad coming out of high school and what their h2h record was after? Also, did either wrestle an agnostic, atheist, or indigenous shaman in college, and who won if so. Finally, did any of them win the Hodge? I'll hang up and listen now.
 
No. But it’s stupid. The Christian, Muslim, and Hebrew/Jewish God is all the same being.
This is a big part of what makes me think there's no way God is real, or else God is far too cruel and vindictive for my taste. Create three separate cults to adore and worship him then have them kill each other in His name Hunger Games style for thousands of years for his amusement? No thanks, Jeff.
 
To try and get this back on track, anyone know what the pfp rankings were for Jesus and Muhammad coming out of high school and what their h2h record was after? Also, did either wrestle an agnostic, atheist, or indigenous shaman in college, and who won if so. Finally, did any of them win the Hodge? I'll hang up and listen now.
No h2h. Mohammed came 800 years after Jesus. Jesus was coaching Oklahoma A&M by then.
 
My bad, I thought they both wrestled forever. But I guess that was before covid, so maybe not.
Jesus took a grey shirt and then a red shirt an then got an extra year for the locust infestation, but 7 years was as long as he had until he ran out of eligibility.

Edit: To get this back on topic, Jesus won 5 Hodges because of the Locust year (even though he had to share one with Daton Fix) and Mohammed only 2, so I think you have to consider Jesus better all time.
 
This is a big part of what makes me think there's no way God is real, or else God is far too cruel and vindictive for my taste. Create three separate cults to adore and worship him then have them kill each other in His name Hunger Games style for thousands of years for his amusement? No thanks, Jeff.
Our creator gave us free will. We can choose to be righteous - or we can choose to be jackasses. Don't blame God.
 
Our creator gave us free will. We can choose to be righteous - or we can choose to be jackasses. Don't blame God.
Based on how it usually plays out in the real world (i.e., most people think they are righteous), I don't see a distinction between your 2 choices, but that's just me.

Had hoped my previous attempt at humor would lighten the self-righteous mood here, but I now see how stooopidly naive that was.

For the record, I'd have given Vito the Hodge, no matter what the rules say.
 
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