Poster was talking about star players. Long is a solid role player but not a star player with good or a bad hip.
Hoiberg proved you can build a winner in lowly Iowa...
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Poster was talking about star players. Long is a solid role player but not a star player with good or a bad hip.
Working in Denver, CO during that period of my life, the HORIZON League MBB programs were never really on the major networks. Besides, what employed salaried management professional has time to watch all the minor conference games (BBHawk must have a lot of free time to watch and know everything). Lickliter got lucky with Thad Matta's recruits in 2001 thru 2003. Then he had to develop his own. The 2006-2007 season started with a series of lower top 25 tournament wins to finish 10-0 before conference play. The Horizon League had minor talent and Lick had a veteran club. Lick's boys won the conference and got a nice seeding in the tournament. They won their first week and then got hammered by #1 Florida. TL won Miss Congeniality (great). Lickliter's name was a total outsider to the Hawkeye nation at the time.
The hot bigger names at the time were Bruce Pearl or Tony Barbee. not Todd Lickliter.
BBHawk - I may be an @$$WHOLE, but you are just the peanuts in the steam pile. GoFY.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...iowas-basketball-program-in-shambles/4638875/
What high school players has Hoiberg brought in who were taken in the nba draft? That would be a good example of player development vs bringing in already developed players.
At this point Fred has recruited the same # of high school kids that were drafted as Fran has. 0.
What about the # of wins they have accrued during their time with each program? Or does that not matter?
I thought the goal of a college coach was to develop players and win games all at the same time. Seems Fred has been doing a pretty damn good job of that.
Well if you want to count marble as a guy fran re recruited than there's one that got drafted and Aaron white could be two
Fran went farther in the tourney than fred did this last year
For a "salaried management professional" (it kills me that you had to throw that out there, it's hilarious) you seem to have done a lot of after the fact research. Of which I am absolutely shocked you have the time to do given your very important position. I feel gracious that you have taken the time out of your "salaried management professional" day to grace us with your opinion.
Lickliter was an absolute dumpster fire as a coach at Iowa, but not a bad hire at the time given the amount of success he had accumulated. Honestly, on paper, Fran was a worse hire than Lickliter but the Franimal is getting it done. That's the crapshoot of collegiate athletics. One mid major coach failed, the other has come in and done a great job.
I'm sure, in your career as a "salaried management professional" you've never made a mistake in a hire... ever, because you're pretty badass. I don't even know why I'm responding to you, because I'm in awe of your "salaried management professional" status. I'm seriously not worthy of this "salaried management professional"
.......... "salaried management professional"
Hahaha did you seriously type that thinking people would be impressed?
Just for laughs I want to type it again... "salaried management professional"
Haha.
F me, I hope you are trolling.
Wrong troll. Fran has recruited well and his recruiting continue to get better. In case you haven't noticed, our program has gotten better each year that Fran has been here. He has built a good program that is still on the upswing. Go Hawks!
I'm amazed how much mileage many Iowa fans are giving Fran for his first NCAA tournament win and how many think Iowa is so much better than Iowa State because ISU certainly did lose a game that should never have happened. Do you think any of it could be because the Cyclones played three games in three days just prior to the tournament to win the Big 12 tournament for the second straight year? Iowa went 0-1 for the second straight year in the Big 10 tournament and had lots more time to rest and prepare. Not an excuse for the loss for Iowa State but I find it amusing how just one win gave Iowa such a much better season according to some people.
I'm amazed at how much mileage a #*^$ post that started this thread is getting. And that includes you pulling out Anthony Hubbard. Seriously, what is that, like some ancient talisman that Cyclone fans carry around to ward off complaints from any Hawkeye fan about the kind of guys Hoiberg recruited? Isn't it a bit dusty by now? Not too mention it's become rather fuzzy math.
You've got until Tuesday, Wednesday at the latest Cyclones to play the Hoiberg vs. McCaffery card. If that's what having winning basketball was all about. Which, would be pretty much the definition of Little Brother Syndrome.
Wow, I can just imagine one guy on Lincoln's funeral train, hanging off the caboose and screaming, "See! I told you he was a great President!" *$^%, give it a rest.
The second post in this thread was a Hawkeye fan claiming ISU has brought in felons to build their program...I think bringing up Hubbard is a valid retort.
There are some other critiques to be made about ISU that aren't so easily turned around, perhaps people should use those.
Put it on a bumper sticker and sell it in Ames.
"I'm amazed how much mileage many Iowa fans are giving Fran for his first NCAA tournament win....", that bought my response.
Could have made a difference but I kept reading about how iowa state was final four good. They were apparently better than duke and gonzaga. I watched the game and they did not crack 60 vs uab. They looked poorly coached. They wat everyone was talking about iowa state , should that's supposed to go to the final four, than they should be able to roll uab. They came up small when it mattered mpst
ISU lost because DeJean-Jones was a cancer. Find me an informed ISU fan that says that was not the biggest factor. Fred's recruiting methods bit him in the a$$ in his final game there.
[QUOTE="Myvue, post: 336978, member: 14536" Do you think any of it could be because the Cyclones played three games in three days just prior to the tournament to win the Big 12 tournament for the second straight year? Not an excuse for the loss for Iowa State but I find it amusing how just one win gave Iowa such a much better season according to some people.[/QUOTE]
Woe is you, poor isu fan! The whole world is out to get you every time.
Explain how it was that lowly UAB, having played an almost identical schedule of conference tourney games was able to perform in the opening round of the March Madness. While you are at it, take a look at the schedule for teams such as Wisconsin, Michigan State, Duke and Kentucky. You should be amazed to learn that each of those teams managed to play challenging conference tournaments AND find success in the NCAAs!
The fact of the matter is that isu was not anything even remotely close to a final four team last season. They played from a three seed position and failed miserably. All you have is excuses.
(How is it that some of the most prominent isu posters here are lax at helping Myvue understand this?) [/Sarcasm]
Woe is you, poor isu fan! The whole world is out to get you every time.
Explain how it was that lowly UAB, having played an almost identical schedule of conference tourney games was able to perform in the opening round of the March Madness. While you are at it, take a look at the schedule for teams such as Wisconsin, Michigan State, Duke and Kentucky. You should be amazed to learn that each of those teams managed to play challenging conference tournaments AND find success in the NCAAs!
The fact of the matter is that isu was not anything even remotely close to a final four team last season. They played from a three seed position and failed miserably. All you have is excuses.
(How is it that some of the most prominent isu posters here are lax at helping Myvue understand this?) [/Sarcasm]
It's Sunday. All indications are that Iowa State fans have until Tuesday or Wednesday to enjoy having Fred Hoiberg as the Iowa State basketball Head Coach. Just a suggestion, but now might be a good time to wish Fred the best with his health and his upcoming decision. Maybe even reminisce over the last five years? Or, you could continue to post "who has a bigger ...." comments on a Hawkeye site.
I'm just thinking, in my opinion one would be a class act, the other seems very childish, deserving of the nickname "Little Brother".
From a Hawkeye fan. I haven't always agreed with Hoiberg's recruiting methods but I have enjoyed that so seldom it was that Iowa State and Iowa matched up in heated recruiting battles. I have been impressed at how well Coach Fred has kept his team together most of the time. It must have been a pain. And I won't deny envy at the wins. I actually wish he'd stick around as I've a feeling some great years in the rivalry were ahead of us. But I'm convinced he's gone. Best of luck to him.
And, once again because of the constant invasion of a Hawkeye site with insults and provocative nonsense, worst of luck to Iowa State. Go Kansas!
I'm just thinking, in my opinion one would be a class act, the other seems very childish, deserving of the nickname "Little Brother".
From a Hawkeye fan. I haven't always agreed with Hoiberg's recruiting methods but I have enjoyed that so seldom it was that Iowa State and Iowa matched up in heated recruiting battles. I have been impressed at how well Coach Fred has kept his team together most of the time. It must have been a pain. And I won't deny envy at the wins. I actually wish he'd stick around as I've a feeling some great years in the rivalry were ahead of us. But I'm convinced he's gone. Best of luck to him.
And, once again because of the constant invasion of a Hawkeye site with insults and provocative nonsense, worst of luck to Iowa State. Go Kansas!
Where do you get that Fran's recruiting has continued to get better? His class with Gessell and Woodberry was obviously his best class he's signed at Iowa. This past year he signed 5 kids, not one in the top 200. I don't see how that "continues to get better".
Actually if you read LC post about the 4 players mentioned his next post which if I could copy and past on iPad would then talked about Matt Thomas and referenced the others as star players. Again long is good player but no star.
Actually, the posts seem to me to be less about "who has a bigger....." than about "who is a bigger....."
How do you compare mostly transfers to recruiting top high school prospects? Haven't the starters been almost 2-1 or 3-1 transfers? What HS recruits that Fred brought in have been overly superior to Iowa recruits the past 5 years? Niang? Iowa was on his top list.
I think that at this time I would say this is his best class so far, but obviously we won't know for sure for 3 years or so. I say it is the best because it is a 6 man class full of athletic players that bring a lot to the table offensively and defensively. I have high hopes for this group.
