Honest expectations
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Honestly my expectations are to get back to the Gable years and win every freaking year. Realistic expectations could be much different however.
What is the point of this thread? At least pretend to be honest.
Tournament is just around the corner. No one is unbeatable.
Rby still has to get past fix.
Haines and facundo are definitely beatable
Starocci has been wrestling close this year.
Brooks has been beat this year and last .
Dean has taken 3-4 losses.
Kirk has been beat this year as well.
Let’s get it hawks!!
I doubt we beat psu this year but man I really liked how we looked Sunday. Obviously I am not betting against Spencer or Real. But they have Starfish and RBY to match us. Then it comes down to how the rest of our guys do vs theirs. Brooks is a huge favorite but likely has Coleman in the semis and Coleman all ready beat him once at worst he gets 3rd. Kerk is anywhere from 1-3. Then there is Dean who knows what will happen there. Bartlett should place top 5 as well. Not sold on Haines or Facundo being AA’s either. So 7 AA’s is what I am thinking for them. Didn’t think we could match them but Sunday made me feel a lot better about our chances.
I asked the question that’s the point. Nice addition to the commentary though thanks for dropping in.
We have won one in 13 years. So not sure your angle other than to chime in to be an asshole.
Maybe so, I’m rooting for every hawk to have their best tournament. That’s what real fans do - the hell with crowning PSU champs before the tournament even starts.
That's fine but then you have the ones going into it like that and then lose their shit wondering why we don't do well and PSU has multiple champs. I'm not saying you do that but a ton of people do.
yes, this board can be tough to read after a bad tournament. I usually tune out for a few days when the doomsday sky is falling talk starts.
Gosh all I asked was reasonable expectations. What everyone thought In the next 10 years.
Dean lost 3-1 in SV to Laird and 11-9 to Beard. They are his only losses. That said, the overall point is correct and I agree with @Spoons that Iowa looked very formidable against OkSt.
Honestly, 3-4 championships every 20 years after Iowa's new wrestling facility is completed, and as long as both PSU and Iowa retain the same coaching staffs.
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For both teams to retain the same coaching staffs in 20 years the Brands will be 75 and Sanderson 65. Hope it happens but seems unlikely.
You’re a realist I respect that. I lived out Iowa in the mid to late 80s and get the passion that the residents have for the Hawkeyes in general . More people per capita love the Hawkeyes compared to in Pa. loving the Lions.
And the rest of the state has a mixture of fandom with other colleges and pro trans. Iowa is the best game in town for Iowa and the fans love their team.
When you have that passion for your team, the team will always succeed. And wrestling is a great example.
Imo this is a great year for Iowa, a four time champ is huge. Maybe another or two or at least high placement with 6 AAs?
Second in the nation? I could only dream of success like that for PSU in 81-85, my school years. I would’ve been thrilled if PSU was challenging for a championship a few times a decade and maybe winning 1,2 every ten years.
I mean until their run it was like 1950 or so they won their single title. I just didn’t get why the best wrestling state in the country had such average results . Then that big booster helped to snatch Cael from ISU and the run was on.
And I’m thrilled, but obviously other teams are outside looking in. Which irritates passionate fan bases. However they still as I see “got it going on”’and of PSU fell back to that level they’d be better off than they were before.
I don’t mean this to be trolling, because I like Iowa the state and program. I miss my time there, I was young, in shape, and in love lol. Sweet Child Of Mine, The Flame and all that stuff was on te radio . Hell Cheap Trick played close enough to my apartment at the fair grounds that I could almost here the music lol.
Good old days in a great place.
Yep. Consider it an average for however long. Point being, any expectation is contingent on present circumstances of the teams, but their circumstances will surely evolve.
Honest question, on a scale of 1-100 what’s the OP’s IQ?
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No, because I looked at your posts going back to Feb 14.
Are you're indicating it's usually a turd being dropped...
or not?
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Haines and Facundo. I think Haines will AA no doubt. Probably Facundo too, but I think Haines has a better chance. Unfortunately for us, PSU almost always shows up well at tournament time.
My expectations with TnT are to win 1-2 nationals a decade. The Gable years are long gone, and they are simply not coming back, because there is only one Gable.
My expectations will change depending on who runs the next regime, and if Cael is still at PSU. I expect him to win more nationals per decade than all other teams combined.
My expectations will change depending on who runs the next regime, and if Cael is still at PSU. I expect him to win more nationals per decade than all other teams combined.
In Iowa's lineup, all 10 starters have AA potential or AA ceiling. Obviously, stuff happens, and there's no way all 10 will be AAs, but 7 is definitely realistic. Obviously, Spencer, Cass, and Woods (barring injury) are 100% locks to AA. Kennedy has a great chance, too, with the only potential impediment being the murder's row weight class he's in. That's 4 who you can pencil in off the top. Warner, Assad, and Murin are all a decent bet to be in the mix at the end, and Teske, Cobe, and Brands are a little more of a long shot but should all at least be in the big dance, but if you get 2 from the former group and one from the latter, that's 7 AAs likely with a reasonable chance for 8, so Iowa should be right there with PSU on that metric. The difference is that PSU has 5 legitimate champ contenders. Outside of Lee and Woods, it's a long shot for any other Hawks to win.
From my foxhole I always like to see how we do against where we were seeded. I think that’s a fair assessment. I think Lee and Woods will win it all, and I think Cass and PK will be top 5. I think 6 AAs would be good an'd anything more than that would be outstanding. As for PSU, I’m just hoping they lose every time they walk on the mat.
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I think a reasonable expectation for Iowa is to contend every year. Tom and staff have done a great job with that. Winning titles every year or being the favorites isn’t realistic in my opinion because we aren’t even close to PSU in recruiting. Not going to get into cheating, who has the most money, etc… At the end of the day no matter the reason or excuse, we don’t beat them in the recruiting battles consistently enough.
Having the #1 recruiting class for 2023 is fantastic, but it’s not enough. You have to string together P4P athletes every recruiting class to be the favorites every year. That’s tough but that’s the standard PSU has set. If you’re not going to win the recruiting battles, you must fill your lineup “holes” with top level transfers. If that means recruiting over someone, then so be it. Winning at the highest level comes at a cost.
One thing I think would drastically help Iowa is better local talent. That’s been talked about on here multiple times, and Iowa is getting better. I thought this post by Kyle Klingman was interesting and telling. If you’re not the best at getting top talent across the country, it would really help if that talent was in your backyard.
Having the #1 recruiting class for 2023 is fantastic, but it’s not enough. You have to string together P4P athletes every recruiting class to be the favorites every year. That’s tough but that’s the standard PSU has set. If you’re not going to win the recruiting battles, you must fill your lineup “holes” with top level transfers. If that means recruiting over someone, then so be it. Winning at the highest level comes at a cost.
One thing I think would drastically help Iowa is better local talent. That’s been talked about on here multiple times, and Iowa is getting better. I thought this post by Kyle Klingman was interesting and telling. If you’re not the best at getting top talent across the country, it would really help if that talent was in your backyard.
In the foreseeable future (call them the remainder of the Brands years, and as long as PSU keeps their staff in tact) I would expect PSU to win 5-6 out of ten years, Iowa to win one or two out of ten, and 2 years to be up for grabs. (Hopefully Iowa gets some of those, but at least as likely that PSU finds a way to snatch another , or OSU/Mich, or even ISU or ASU strike gold on a class and get the right transfers).
In other words, I expect Iowa to win as much as every other non-PSU school combined.
Other expectations:
Iowa's floor should be 3rd place, shouldn't be worse than that more than once per decade.
They should average at least one individual champ per year and should never have a year without anyone in the finals. (This could be put to the test next year...edit - i was being dumb and next year shouldn't be in doubt unless the injury bug bites hard)
In other words, I expect Iowa to win as much as every other non-PSU school combined.
Other expectations:
Iowa's floor should be 3rd place, shouldn't be worse than that more than once per decade.
They should average at least one individual champ per year and should never have a year without anyone in the finals. (This could be put to the test next year...edit - i was being dumb and next year shouldn't be in doubt unless the injury bug bites hard)
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Between Ayala, Woods, and Cass at a minimum next year the finals streak won’t be tested.
Based on history, 2-3 every 10 years.
Cael has proven to be very good at winning NCAA titles (9 of the last 11).
Tom has proven to be very good at consistently finishing in the top 4 (13 of the past 15), but less good at titles (4 in past 15). Even without PSU we wouldn't have won any more titles--we're good at scoring 75 points but have difficult scoring 100+ points (only 4 times in 15 seasons). That's a Tom problem, not a Cael problem. We're consistently 2 studs shy of title contention.
On the positive side, we likely would've won it in '20. We won it in '21, followed by an injury-plagued '22. Looking like a distant but solid 2nd in '23. Got a great recruiting class coming in (if Arnold, Block and Keuter don't quit to join the military). Got a great new facility on the way. Got a great ambassador in Spencer Lee. We've done well with transfers even as we've not kept up with Penn St in recruiting.
On the negative side, 3 of Tom's 4 titles were before Cael started hitting his stride, Cael's not getting any dumber, and his donors aren't getting any poorer.
Cael has proven to be very good at winning NCAA titles (9 of the last 11).
Tom has proven to be very good at consistently finishing in the top 4 (13 of the past 15), but less good at titles (4 in past 15). Even without PSU we wouldn't have won any more titles--we're good at scoring 75 points but have difficult scoring 100+ points (only 4 times in 15 seasons). That's a Tom problem, not a Cael problem. We're consistently 2 studs shy of title contention.
On the positive side, we likely would've won it in '20. We won it in '21, followed by an injury-plagued '22. Looking like a distant but solid 2nd in '23. Got a great recruiting class coming in (if Arnold, Block and Keuter don't quit to join the military). Got a great new facility on the way. Got a great ambassador in Spencer Lee. We've done well with transfers even as we've not kept up with Penn St in recruiting.
On the negative side, 3 of Tom's 4 titles were before Cael started hitting his stride, Cael's not getting any dumber, and his donors aren't getting any poorer.
I would add Chittum to that list as well.
Even after senior day ceremonies, I was thinking this was Woods' only year at Iowa.
Complete brain fart, but in the way that you are happier after being set straight!
Woods and Cass should definitely be finals or bust.
Hopefully Drake will be in the same boat, but ask me again in December. Same with Chit, I suppose.
Why is everyone assuming we will not continue to make gains on F*** st? While we have not completely leveled the field, we have made gains and I am not sure why we would not continue this trend?
New facility coming, #1 class coming in, NIL $$$$ Deal with UFC, Soon to have the top Women's program, Spencer LEE. #1 fan base IOWA HS wrestling on the upswing etc....
Punchers chance this year and should be a dog fight next year. The following year we could/should be the favorites if everything falls into place!!! A multi year run could begin and that should be when the recruiting field shifts to the good guys!!!
New facility coming, #1 class coming in, NIL $$$$ Deal with UFC, Soon to have the top Women's program, Spencer LEE. #1 fan base IOWA HS wrestling on the upswing etc....
Punchers chance this year and should be a dog fight next year. The following year we could/should be the favorites if everything falls into place!!! A multi year run could begin and that should be when the recruiting field shifts to the good guys!!!
Ayala and Chittum in the finals next year are the type of posts that make me visit this cesspool still , lol . Thank you guys
When Ayala wins a title next year make sure you come back.
Top returners at 125 next year with current Intermat rankings
Ramos, Purdue, 4
McKee, Minnesota, 7
DeAugustino, Northwestern, 9
Noto, Lock Haven, 11
Kaylor, Oregon St, 12
Surtin, Mizzou, 13
Smith, App State, 14
Brown, Maryland, 15
Only 3 of the top 10 return. Ayala has wins over DeAugustino, Surtin (twice) and Smith. He also beat Schroder from Purdue. He is 0-4 against McKee. Jakob Camacho from NC State should return from injury next year as well. Depending on who stays at the weight and any incoming freshman, I would say Drake has a great shot at AA and could definitely make the finals.
This is great. I was feeling bad about myself. Then I went through your posts and you’re just a mongaloid loser! What a great end to my day.
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