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How United States politics really works...

Because?

Politics is just religion.

If you could take politics out of government, we'd be set! If you could take religion out of understanding God, we'd be set. We're getting there in spite of them both.
Several reasons. Mainly that Methodists are more concerned with the spirit of the biblical lessons and hence more open and forgiving to non-believers. Baptists are more legalistic and precisely literal in their approach and hence more closed and judgmental.
 
You keep telling yourself that. I pointed out some of our scores and you should be thanking us for fighting your battle for you, because Democrats didn't give a damn until Libertarians did the hard work. Just because your guy or girl sneaked the ball in at the goal line on a couple of issues doesn't discount people like me carrying the rock the length of the field to set up that score.
Did you point out a score? Because I've been asking for just that and reading along and I didn't see one. Link it again for me please.
 
Several reasons. Mainly that Methodists are more concerned with the spirit of the biblical lessons and hence more open and forgiving to non-believers. Baptists are more legalistic and precisely literal in their approach and hence more closed and judgmental.
In your opinion. That whole summation is opinion. It's a generalization. You're not as Liberal as I thought.

Neither does what you described. They merely profit from the subscribers and presume that one is better (more right) than the other. It works for some, and it evolves. Claiming superiority is not very Liberal to me.
 
In your opinion. That whole summation is opinion. It's a generalization. You're not as Liberal as I thought.

Neither does what you described. They merely profit from the subscribers and presume that one is better (more right) than the other. It works for some, and it evolves. Claiming superiority is not very Liberal to me.
I don't think you know what liberal or opinion means. You are forever in need of a dictionary in every conversation we have.
 
I don't think you know what liberal or opinion means. You are forever in need of a dictionary in every conversation we have.
That's because even THOSE are subject to individual interpretation. You've been playing your game too long. Playing games can be fun, so I get the attraction.
 
Go back and read my previous posts. It was all covered before your first reply to me.
No it wasn't. You're still running with ice cream. Give me the law they passed. Give me the court case they won. Then show how supporting libertarians would have gotten me victories across the nation faster than supporting liberals. You have a practicality problem. Following your path doesn't lead to the reality I want. Following my path empirically does.
 
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It should be easy to point to one of those 18,000 victories and yet they remain a phantasmic. Strumm is right, politics is about power. Its about getting your worldview written into law such that you can go to court and act upon that reality. Liberals and conservative both get that and both make a difference while libertarians skip through the tulips licking their ice cream and chatting with the butterflies. Its like talking to people from a Disney cartoon.
You can't point out reality to the delusional my friend. I'm sure you're a fine person, but your politics and love for the corrupted system are delusional. Libertarians understand the world is harsh, cruel and unfair. They see the reality of it all. Hence, why they laugh at the control freak natures of the left and the right. It's really egotistical and entirely to close to religious fanaticism. Which both sides decry depending on which religion you are speaking of.
 
That's because even THOSE are subject to individual interpretation. You've been playing your game too long. Playing games can be fun, so I get the attraction.
Indeed, he's a control freak by nature, so therefore everyone thinks like him and if they do not, they are strange. When he says liberal, is he speaking todays liberal, yesterday liberal, hardcore liberal, relaxed liberal, liberal socialist, libertarian leaning liberal, NeoLiberal, etc?

It's hard to say, because his positions aren't very liberal at all.
 
This really is like watching two religious denominations debating how they "worship" the right way and the others are doing it wrong.

My favorite, so far, is Natural claiming that Libertarians want to "unleash the powers of destruction" on society. Reminds me of a local "Church of Christ" that bashes some other Baptist church as bringing Satan into their midst by allowing musical instruments to be played in their sanctuary.
 
Natural seems to enjoy having enemies. In fact, when I see the "conservatives" trying to bash him, it's like they enjoy their game of "I'm right and you're wrong." They both want the same result, but, rather than working to obtain the results they claim, their more content to let their "government" do the work while they sit around playing "Your side is worse than mine." They enjoy opposition. It gives them something to do.

I suppose that's life. If everything were perfect, we'd be screwed. Fortunately, we never agree on what is perfection.
 
Don't let your ice cream melt.
I didn't get ice cream, Kiting left me on the field pointing to the score board. Your reading comprehension is poor too.

You had it close when you said politics is about power. That's the reason you ally yourself to begin with. To boost power. A 5 star lineman on a team with no QB isn't going to win many games. But pair him up with a team and you can all go bowling. Politics is a team sport, that's why I'm on a team. It is purely a function of preferring practical results over fanciful flights of folly. Fantasy is fun and has its place, but not in the state house.
 
I didn't get ice cream, Kiting left me on the field pointing to the score board. Your reading comprehension is poor too.

You had it close when you said politics is about power. That's the reason you ally yourself to begin with. To boost power. A 5 star lineman on a team with no QB isn't going to win many games. But pair him up with a team and you can all go bowling. Politics is a team sport, that's why I'm on a team. It is purely a function of preferring practical results over fanciful flights of folly. Fantasy is fun and has its place, but not in the state house.
Okay, it's cute how you're sorta fixated on trying to place this football game metaphor on this subject. But, I'm sort of wondering if you're aware that a football game and social behavior dictated through government are NOT the same thing. If it helps you relate to it, fine... I guess. But, trying to equivocate everything into some kind of football metaphor is making me question your rationality. I don't need it simplified like that. I hope you don't approach your views through this filter all the time.
 
We disagree on this point.
Of course we do. You're convinced you're superior to others. It's not flattering, so you refuse to admit it. Whereas I embrace it. It helps me transcend it.

I don't measure my successes, or even society's successes, in terms of points, votes, laws passed or anything else. I measure it by the sense of balance, or peace of mind I feel. It's all happening the way it's supposed to happen. I have responsibility over myself.
 
Of course we do. You're convinced you're superior to others. It's not flattering, so you refuse to admit it. Whereas I embrace it. It helps me transcend it.

I don't measure my successes, or even society's successes, in terms of points, votes, laws passed or anything else. I measure it by the sense of balance, or peace of mind I feel. It's all happening the way it's supposed to happen. I have responsibility over myself.
There is a lot of internal inconsistency here.
 
This really is like watching two religious denominations debating how they "worship" the right way and the others are doing it wrong.

My favorite, so far, is Natural claiming that Libertarians want to "unleash the powers of destruction" on society. Reminds me of a local "Church of Christ" that bashes some other Baptist church as bringing Satan into their midst by allowing musical instruments to be played in their sanctuary.
He should be happy that Libertarian principles have helped to ease the angst between us and Iran. Despite him claiming it's a 'liberal' victory, it is Libertarian principles shining in this moment.
 
You're arguing against me, yet you would likely agree with the end game on most issues that we speak of. So yes, it is a problem for you at the moment. At least it appears to be.
Nope, having a good time isn't a problem for me at all. People who think like you do will either stay home or waste a vote on Gary Johnson. You wont count. So there is nothing to lose by pointing out you don't count. It's all upside. You either prove me right or you start counting which proves me right too. Ridiculing third parties is all upside.
 
Nope, having a good time isn't a problem for me at all. People who think like you do will either stay home or waste a vote on Gary Johnson. You wont count. So there is nothing to lose by pointing out you don't count. It's all upside. You either prove me right or you start counting which proves me right too. Ridiculing third parties is all upside.
Your love for being a simple and unquestioning cog in the systematic machine of elitism just doesn't interest me. I like to run at my own pace and enjoy all others being able to do the same.
 
Nope, having a good time isn't a problem for me at all. People who think like you do will either stay home or waste a vote on Gary Johnson. You wont count. So there is nothing to lose by pointing out you don't count. It's all upside. You either prove me right or you start counting which proves me right too. Ridiculing third parties is all upside.
Wasting a vote?

Not very liberal of you.
 
He should be happy that Libertarian principles have helped to ease the angst between us and Iran. Despite him claiming it's a 'liberal' victory, it is Libertarian principles shining in this moment.
Well, the labels are misleading anyway. Liberals, libertarians, liberators, liberty, is all semantics.

Enough people wanting to ease the angst made it happen. No group should feel obligated to claim ownership of it. Just be glad that what you feel was right has been done. THAT is it's own reward. No label sould get credit for it. That only furthers the idea that a group is superior to another group.
 
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Well, the labels are misleading anyway. Liberals, libertarians, liberators, liberty, is all semantics.

Enough people wanting to ease the angst made it happen. No group should feel obligated to claim ownership of it. Just be glad that what you feel was right has been done. THAT is it's own reward. No label sould get credit for it. That only furthers the idea that a group is superior to another group.
I really don't even like to use the label Libertarian to be honest. It just seems to be too confusing to some for me not to at least give them a category whether real or not.
 
Your love for being a simple and unquestioning cog in the systematic machine of elitism just doesn't interest me. I like to run at my own pace and enjoy all others being able to do the same.
I don't believe you. I think it interests you a great deal.
 
How would you know? It's all just semantics to you after all. Up is down, left is right, it must take you all day to order breakfast.
I doubt it, Libertarians don't feel the need to stick with just one side of the menu, because they like the freedom to pick any item despite where it resides on the menu. They think for themselves and therefore they know what they want without being told.

A real libertarian would prefer to make their own breakfast by the way.
 
Perhaps you are right, but I am not interested becoming aonther cog.
I know. This is the problem with your type. You always think you're a special little snowflake who need not follow the rules. It give you a cute boy like charm. Probably helps get you laid. I get why you work the angle.
 
How would you know? It's all just semantics to you after all. Up is down, left is right, it must take you all day to order breakfast.
Great, then it's very liberal to deride someone's choice for who they believe is the candidate for an elected office and voting for them is a waste... if it's not one of the two major parties. Thanks for teaching me Liberalism.
 
Great, then it's very liberal to deride someone's choice for who they believe is the candidate for an elected office and voting for them is a waste... if it's not one of the two major parties. Thanks for teaching me Liberalism.
You're welcome. Teaching truth and reason is a liberal value.
 
I know. This is the problem with your type. You always think you're a special little snowflake who need not follow the rules. It give you a cute boy like charm. Probably helps get you laid. I get why you work the angle.
Nein, our 'types', you're becoming a politcist as we type, think that everyone is a special little snowflake. What's the point of joining into groups at the most animalistic and instinctual levels of thinking? Answer that question and you'll evolve with a thought.
 
Nein, our 'types', you're becoming a politcist as we type, think that everyone is a special little snowflake. What's the point of joining into groups at the most animalistic and instinctual levels of thinking? Answer that question and you'll evolve with a thought.
I already answered that question in this thread. Power.
 
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