I like how you keep posting this as if you’re making some grand point. You’re not. As if Lia Thomas doesn’t have an advantage if she’s not setting records or taking first. The data that is more telling is what Faulty Gator keeps posting. Where she was ranked in the 500’s competing against men, and now she’s making race finals.
Whether they are Olympic or NCAA rules, this situation and others like it before are bringing the idea of fairness to light at the highest level. You fully stated that from a physiological standpoint this swimmer has an advantage over female chromosome athlete. Is it an advantage? Of course it is otherwise you would not be seeing results such as this swimmer or Olympic lifters, or sprinters, or even the farce that has been in the MMA ring. You are either for fairness in women's sports, or you are not. There is no in-between on this and just because the rules haven't changed yet and they will, does not mean that they were based on any fairness quotient as a whole to female athletes. It is very obvious the advantages and Incredibly selfish on the point of that athlete. Of course this is my opinion and you will not agree. Understandable
The title of the thread is "How will Lia Thomas do at Swimming Nationals?" My post is answering the question.
I agree that transgender females have some physical advantage, the amount of that advantage varies with whether they went through puberty as a male. In Lia's case she did. My question is how do we deal with transgender athletes? We have 3 choices and none is perfect.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it ethical. She could have chosen to not compete with unfair advantages.
I know you think you are making some sort of point with these times but the majority of people don't care. If there really wasn't an advantage for Lia she wouldn't be at nationals at all. She would be ranked equivalently as when she was a man.
Bullshit
I disagree. I would prefer the NCAA step up and do the right thing. I hate always running to the government on these issues.
As I stated before the thread title asks the question, my post answers.
They have stated that they might punish states that make legislation by not allowing post season events to be hosted in those states. The pressure needs to be on the NCAA to change its policy. I just hating to see our legit athletes punished.
They may think about doing something maybe sometime if maybe they have to do something.
Let's say they do and make laws similar to Iowa's law. If those laws hold up in court, what happens when a swimmer, track athlete, etc. qualifies for the Olympics and is required to compete against transgender athletes?
I don't agree. Lia competed as a male while transitioning in 2019. She began treatment and exceeded the requirements of the NCAA for hormone treatment. We can think it is not fair that she can compete with women, but there is nothing unethical about her journey.
Your first point is canceled by the fact that the bullying is going on now. Did you see the reaction to Lia’s winning? Why isn’t that taken into account in the other direction?
Transgender people will likely not be received well by the public for quite some time or never. I don't expect crowds to react well whether it's a transgender female competing against females or a transgender woman competing against males. I just think physical bullying is more likely in a men's locker room than a women's locker room. Don't get me wrong women can be bullies especially with words, but men are more likely to do so physically.
The 3rd choice of developing a Trans only competition is by far the fairest way possible. It doesnt matter if there is a large or small pool of athletes.
The 3rd choice is the "fairest", but also the least likely to happen. There are too many factors making this unreasonable, numbers, costs, competition, etc.
They will lose. Biology is funny that way now matter what your feelings might be.
That's not what I said they would rule, in fact I said the opposite. As far as girls sports ending because of transgender females that's not happening. As long as there are requirements for hormone therapy before males can compete with females it will remain rare. Do you seriously think there will be so many boys that are willing to undergo transition treatment for 1+ years just so they can compete against women that women's sports will no longer exist?
I’d agree, however, they know they’d have lawsuits brought quickly with no law to point to.
Did you read the ESPN article? It has some information about the changes in NCAA policy.
The one in the tweet I posted.
The wnba allows it if you follow a prescribed set of hormone therapy for a set number of years. If you follow the rules to go through transition then go for it.
The one in the tweet I posted.
Here's the direct link.
Thomas places 8th in 100-yard freestyle final
Penn swimmer Lia Thomas, the first transgender athlete to win a Division I national championship, ended her colligiate swimming career with an 8th place finish in the 100-yard freestyle final.www.espn.com
The way I understood the article is from now on the NCAA will defer to the National swimming rules which require 36 months of hormone treatment with their testosterone levels under 5 nanomoles per liter. They also have to go before an independent panel and prove they do not have a competitive advantage over their cisgender peers. Doesn't sound like something a person would do on a whim. The time commitment will in my opinion make the possibility of another transgender woman competing at the college level almost nil.
There's a version of this picture floating around where the 2nd 3rd and 4th place women recreate the randy savage podium from south park when he competes as a woman. Can someone post that one? It's fantastic trolling by the female swimmers.
My opinion is if someone decides to change genders they need to understand they may have to give some things up….
I disagree, but you certainly have the right to your opinion and you are not alone.
This was the argument given by people who didn’t want grown men sharing bathrooms with little girls and the left went nuts. It cost North Carolina billions of dollars.
Soooo ****ed up story about this.
Little girl is a badass and didn't freeze like 99% of 11 year old girls would do. I've met her before, she is also the catcher on their softball team and truly is a little badass.
