Hutton redshirt?
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Well, his choice to not play and lose a season of eligibility because he isn't playing any meaningful minutes unless there is an injury to Gesell or Clemmons.
Another reason Williams isn't redshirting is because this would mean we would have two point guards in one class with him and Bohannon next year. Plus, redshirting 3 of 5 in one class might be a bit much. I believe in redshirting but more than one or two per year and your classes become unbalanced.
Actually both Williams and McC have said that he will play, and he is averaging 8.5 minutes/game so far. He is playing and is going to have to play this year as he will be the #1 PG next year whether you like it or not.
It makes sense for Williams to play this year for a couple of reasons. First, the Hawks have Gesell and Clemmons at pg and would need Williams to play if there is an injury. To prepare for that event, he should get time in the non-conference games. For Moss and Hutton, we have depth at their positions so this isn't as big of a need. Second, it will be better for next year if Williams gets experience since we have two senior point guards. Again, due to the roster, this is not the same for Moss and Hutton.
During the non-conference season he's going to play not only the PG, but he'll also see some time I'm betting at both the 2 and 3 spots as well on occasion. He may not see much time during the Big Ten season, but getting meaningful experience will be very beneficial.
I don't care if he is #1 next year or not. This is going to be a wasted year most likely, but so be it I guess.
Wow alot of people throw out alot of speculation as if it was facts. Hopefully he's looking at all facts. The benefit of an extra year of college alone is like an extra $20,000 to $30,000 thousand worth of benefits.
I get what you are saying but given that we will have two brand new pg's next year I think in this scenario if Christian gets even around 100 minutes this year (which I think he will) then I think that experience is very valuable.
Plus, as I have said, I am a big fan of redshirting but I even think 3 of 5 in one class is a bit much.
In this class you have
Williams
Fleming
Wagner
Ellingson
Next year you have
Bohannon
Moss
Hutton?
Cook
Pemsl
Kriener
I would guess (way too early) that Pemsl or Kriener will redshirt as we will be deep in the post).
Yes I did....duh moment for me
With that in mind, it makes even less minutes off the bench to be had.
Non conference games go until nearly January. There are quite a few opportunities to get Williams minutes until then, and even in non conference he'll probably see garbage time against a Rutgers or Nebraska. As other posters have said, I'd prefer the guy taking over as floor general to have some collegiate experience.
Don't see it as a wasted year, plus redshirting Williams would mean we'd want to redshirt two people in the next class where the only options would be Pemsl and Kriener (which, I suppose could work depending on how Uhl and Wagner develop, but it could result in a thin front court).
Otherwise, (assuming Hutton) with three people redshirting this class, 2016 would have a 7 man class, so even for spacing sake I like Williams with 2015.
Don't see it as a wasted year, plus redshirting Williams would mean we'd want to redshirt two people in the next class where the only options would be Pemsl and Kriener (which, I suppose could work depending on how Uhl and Wagner develop, but it could result in a thin front court).
Otherwise, (assuming Hutton) with three people redshirting this class, 2016 would have a 7 man class, so even for spacing sake I like Williams with 2015.
I think we are starting to see our 9 rotation players: Gessell, Clemmons, Jok, Uthoff, and Woodbury with Uhl, Ellingson, Wagner, and Jones off the bench. That leaves Williams and Flemming fighting for some residual minutes as the 10th player. The freshman were not highly recruited; so it makes sense that they are not plug-in-play rotation players on a decent Big 10 basketball team.
I see no problem red-shirting Hutton. If he doesn't like it, then he can leave, and we can recruit over him. The problem with basketball if that there are 13 scholarships, everyone wants to play, but in college you really only need 8 or 9 players.
I see no problem red-shirting Hutton. If he doesn't like it, then he can leave, and we can recruit over him. The problem with basketball if that there are 13 scholarships, everyone wants to play, but in college you really only need 8 or 9 players.
I'm in complete agreement that the time Williams can get in real game situations will be so much more valuable come next season than a full year of just practice. If he were only going to play 30 minutes or so the entire season, then yes, perhaps a redshirt would be warranted. But, I agree that he'll get quite a bit of time in the non-conference season, and then spot duty during conference games.
This from an interview with Williams. Which I'm not going to look up to quote, so I'll paraphrase. By the way, much of the speculations about things on here have answers out there in the form of interviews with Fran or the players.
So. Last summer Fran and Christian talked about his role on the team this upcoming season. Christian will be learning the point guard spot, as well as possibly playing some at the two. Fran asked Christian how he felt about redshirting and Williams did not want to if he could play this year. Fran told him that was how he saw it as well, that experience at the point was important.
There are also multiple interviews with Williams where he mentions being the only point guard on the roster next year. This, before Bohannon committed.
Christian is focused in like a laser on learning to be an outstanding point guard for the Hawkeyes. And he will be, given time to learn. We need him next season. In three years we can start wishing he'd have redshirted.
So. Last summer Fran and Christian talked about his role on the team this upcoming season. Christian will be learning the point guard spot, as well as possibly playing some at the two. Fran asked Christian how he felt about redshirting and Williams did not want to if he could play this year. Fran told him that was how he saw it as well, that experience at the point was important.
There are also multiple interviews with Williams where he mentions being the only point guard on the roster next year. This, before Bohannon committed.
Christian is focused in like a laser on learning to be an outstanding point guard for the Hawkeyes. And he will be, given time to learn. We need him next season. In three years we can start wishing he'd have redshirted.
I don't think there's any way Kriener redshirts with Iowas lack of size going into next year. I could see Pemsl maybe redshirting depending on how healthy he is.
Sheesh, sensitive much Mr. McCarthy? I think it's healthy for fans to be critical at times.
I would agree that Pemsl is more likely to redshirt given that Cook plays the same position and we have Wagner there as well. Plus as you said, we will need Kriener's size right away.
That would give us post options of:
Uhl
Jones
Cook
Wagner
Kriener
Pemsl
So, yeah I think one of those two freshman (probably Pemsl) would be a good redshirt option next year as long as we are healthy and guys progress as expected.
I could see us redshirting Kreiner, Pemsl and Bohannon next year - just to balance classes.
Starting 5 next year (2016-2017): Williams (So), Jok (Sr.), Uhl (Jr.), Jones (Sr.), Wagner (So). Backups: Cook (Fr.), Ellingson (So.)/Fleming (So.), Hutton (Fr)/Moss (Fr), Baer (So).
That would leave us with in 2017-2018 with 1 Sr (Uhl), 5 Jrs, 3 Sophs. and 3 Freshmen (w a redshirt for Connor Mac).
Starting 5 next year (2016-2017): Williams (So), Jok (Sr.), Uhl (Jr.), Jones (Sr.), Wagner (So). Backups: Cook (Fr.), Ellingson (So.)/Fleming (So.), Hutton (Fr)/Moss (Fr), Baer (So).
That would leave us with in 2017-2018 with 1 Sr (Uhl), 5 Jrs, 3 Sophs. and 3 Freshmen (w a redshirt for Connor Mac).
I don't see Bohannon redshirting unless Fran is confident that either Moss, Ellingson, or Fleming are capable backups at PG, because as of now, Williams is the only one we've got
I doubt Fran and Co. recruited Cook to sit on the bench. I also don't see Bohannon redshirting because we need the depth at PG and the shooting. I don't see Kreiner redshirting either because of the loss of Woody. Maybe Pemsl if for some reason his knee isn't healed, but he has the body to compete right away in the B1G.
I think the lineup of Williams, Jok, Moss, Cook, and Uhl could be one of the most versatile and athletic lineups we've seen in a loonggg time. The future looks bright.
Transfers will be a big part of the picture. And no, I don't want to guess who. It's just a fact of life these days that players want to play and if they don't think they will they often leave. I don't want it, prefer it not happen, and think it's better for guys to get their degree at the school they start at. But they don't listen to me.
As far as balanced classes? If one looks at other teams it's becoming more and more difficult not to be looking for five or six guys, again due to transfers.
The only good news is, when a player does leave it tends to be someone who won't make the rotation anytime soon and gives time to maybe find an even better player.
Same with redshirts. If we don't need them, and in the future they will be a rotation quality player, go ahead and redshirt. But remember, some guys we don't want around for five years.
Redshirting is a dangerous game. I might be the only guy on earth who dares question Bo Ryan, but if Ethan Happ was the player some say he was in practice last year? When Bo was only playing seven guys? Wouldn't it have been nice when they were in foul trouble and tired against Duke if Happ was the eighth guy in the lineup? Bo might have missed a golden opportunity for a National Championship.
As far as balanced classes? If one looks at other teams it's becoming more and more difficult not to be looking for five or six guys, again due to transfers.
The only good news is, when a player does leave it tends to be someone who won't make the rotation anytime soon and gives time to maybe find an even better player.
Same with redshirts. If we don't need them, and in the future they will be a rotation quality player, go ahead and redshirt. But remember, some guys we don't want around for five years.
Redshirting is a dangerous game. I might be the only guy on earth who dares question Bo Ryan, but if Ethan Happ was the player some say he was in practice last year? When Bo was only playing seven guys? Wouldn't it have been nice when they were in foul trouble and tired against Duke if Happ was the eighth guy in the lineup? Bo might have missed a golden opportunity for a National Championship.
Redshirting is only done when you have the depth to allow a player to develop and separate some classes position wise. It works with Moss and Hutton for two reasons:
- There is very little chance they will play much this year due to our depth at the 2 and 3 (our deepest spots)
- There are no wings or traditional 2 guards in next year's class
So, by redshirting you move the logjam of wings to a class next year where they are needed and allow Moss and Hutton to develop and be more prepared next season. Bo Ryan has mastered this concept. As far as Ethan Happ I think he will be good but so far he is solid but nothing special. I think Bo made the right choice there but you never know for sure. I do know it would have been nice to have Gabe this year
- There is very little chance they will play much this year due to our depth at the 2 and 3 (our deepest spots)
- There are no wings or traditional 2 guards in next year's class
So, by redshirting you move the logjam of wings to a class next year where they are needed and allow Moss and Hutton to develop and be more prepared next season. Bo Ryan has mastered this concept. As far as Ethan Happ I think he will be good but so far he is solid but nothing special. I think Bo made the right choice there but you never know for sure. I do know it would have been nice to have Gabe this year
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