Well, he has over 3 years left on his contract and the person who is responsible for extending that contract is still in charge, soooo….yeah, he will definitely be given “the benefit of the doubt” regardless of whether they’d won the BTT or not.
I am not optimistic for next season with none or one and done Fran.
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Well, he has over 3 years left on his contract and the person who is responsible for extending that contract is still in charge, soooo….yeah, he will definitely be given “the benefit of the doubt” regardless of whether they’d won the BTT or not.
I made it to mid February before starting to get real passionate this time. Next year, I'll extend that even further.
I don't know enough about the ticket guarantees for the big donors to comment if anything can be done.
Here's a few ideas:
Yes, you nice old folks can have the prime courtside seats but there are going to be expectations.
1) You show up and make some noise (Db minimum measured with equipment)
2) You show up on time and stay the whole game.
3) 3 drink minimum
Here are the only guarantees for next year:
1) Some fans will bitch about game times and days and not show up to watch
2) Some fans will complain about Fran and have a gloom and doom attitude and think they, as fans, deserve better
3) Some fans will go on social media and say dumb s%%t to players
Those things will happen. Who knows about anything else.
1) Some fans will bitch about game times and days and not show up to watch
2) Some fans will complain about Fran and have a gloom and doom attitude and think they, as fans, deserve better
3) Some fans will go on social media and say dumb s%%t to players
Those things will happen. Who knows about anything else.
The girls games are pretty loud. Our students are not into basketball. It is not carver.
We finally have a good all around guard coming in next year and that is what we need in the ncaa tournament
This is accurate. If Bowen lives up to his accolades our backcourt improves athletically instantly.
How many thought Keegan Murray would develop into the best player in the league? Not me.
Fran either:
1) got lucky AF with Keegan;
2) executed it all to plan.
If #2, we can expect Kris to be a first team AA next year and maybe finish higher than tied for fifth in the league. If #1, expecting another fifth place finish is probably unrealistic.
Fran played firstborn 23 mins going 0/3/3 in a game we couldn't score and barely lost while Kris went 3/5/2 in 16 mins. Even shooting poorly Kris is the much better option. F*ck Fran for screwing over the murrays and the fans for two seasons to prop up his kids. He's a bitch just like any coach who prioritizes nepotism over their job. It's the iowa way I guess
I tend to agree FM play favorites and seniority matters. He would make a great union guy.
1) Sandfort
2) Pmac,
3) Bowen
All potentially above average starters in the B10.
Rebraca, Joe T, Ulis, and possibly Connor returning guys with important experience.
Josh Dix, Mulvey, and Josh O all have the potential to be important contributors next year.....
That said I would love to have another long, athletic, and versatile player on the front line, and a 3 point shooter that can play in the 1-2-3 positions.
That it would end in disappointment due to playing jbo when he wasn’t shooting well once I found out he was returning. That the comment about it being joes team was bs.
I assumed we would be a nit/ncaa team without jbo. I thought we could be a sweet 16 team with Liam robbins or a defensive big. The lack of a real big meant fran was free to rotate cmac for pmac, interesting how that worked.
Does Fran strike you as a coach that “executes it all to plan”?
I give him all the credit in the world for bringing in Luka and Keegan, but he didn’t parlay those finds into jack sh*t.
He’s been coaching college BB for a long time. He is what he is - small-time…
I didn’t think we’d have an All American but I predicted something like 8-12 in B1G.
Pretty sure my prediction was bang inline with consensus. Maybe my tone was more cautious given history.
I’m really not sure what you’re looking for here but it feels kind of like you’re pleased with this season and want to get me to that place? Not going to happen.
It’s really hard to ever be optimistic about Iowa BB in the tournament again. If you can’t make a sweet 16 with back to back all American players, I just don’t know what it will take. It’s baffling how god awful we looked against Oregon and Richmond. I can’t figure out if its coaching or maybe or players just played out if their a** the previous 10 games.
Yep after our loss to Oregon last March I told my buddies we'll finish top half of the big ten. They all laughed at me.
I’m not who you addressed but I’ll answer anyway.
no, you can’t fire him now and even if I had the power I don’t think this is the right time. I would, however, tell him he’s got to fire an assistant or two and bring in younger (and more D minded assistants). That would be my method after this year.
I would only extend him if he wins a regular season title or gets to S16 in the next 3 years. Otherwise, see ya.
A question for you - if somebody told you before we hired Fran that these exact 12 years were coming for the program, would you have signed up for that?
Well, at least they have gotten the program back to the point where they should make the NCAA Tournament next year.
We all know the talk that we might've been an NIT team going into this year, but Fran actually did a good job getting the most out of this team........up until the NCAA Tournament.
So now that other goals and have checked off the list, it's time for Fran to start redirecting priorities to make sure that success in the NCAA Tournament becomes the biggest focus.
And that sounds more damning than it really is.
What I was referring to seems pretty obvious.....your expectations were wrong (as were mine and others), that your new expectations for next year (based on what you perceive the history to be) could be wrong as well.
It was all good until you mentioned how "amazing" your prediction was........see?
I am pleased with the season....just very very disappointed with how it ended. I want Iowa basketball back to where it was when I first started watching...Final 4 and shortly there after a 30 win season with a number 1 rating for several weeks.
I am not trying to "get you to that place" .......you do you. I will express my opinion (knowing it's only an opinion) while understanding that things can be either better or worse than my best guess..
I pretty much agree with Pepperman's comments. It is time that there is specific changes/requirements be met. Or, Fran should be replaced at the end of his contract (and I would have a few coaches/DeVries in mind to replace FM).
At some point Iowa needs to upgrade the men's basketball program if it is FM great, if not so be it. Of course, my comments are based on goals of winning BIG conference, BIG tournament, making the NCAA, NCAA sweet sixteen, etc. No, not all necessary in the same year. Being satisfied with a winning season should not be the ultimate goal. If it is then downgrade to DIII sports.
Mine was that Iowa would not win an NCAA Tourney game.
Looks like I'm Nostradamus.
In order to make a decision like that I would need an alternative. What would the alternative be?
So, assuming I had no other alternative, I might have signed up for it. The previous 11 years the Hawks were 76-106 in the B1G. So Fran's record of 117-108 in the B1G would look pretty good.
So, let me ask you a question. If you were the AD, and Fran's record the next 3 years was identical to this one, you would fire him? Remember you are the AD at Iowa, not an NBA GM. The BB program is pretty good - the scenario I present would give Fran an average of 24 wins per season over a 7 year period. Seven upper division of the B1G finishes in a row.
First of all, if you did fire him, you would be the laughing stock of college sports. Secondly, your nuts would now be in a vice with the pressure to pick a better coach and have him do better.
So, would you fire Fran in that scenario?
If John Beilein wants to Coach .ASAP Fran ADIOS. It is a beautiful day in SLO, will search for Surf ,then Happy Hour.. Hawk Players waay cool
I wasn’t too optimistic about this season after what we lost last year. This team improved more than any I’ve seen since I started following them 50 years ago.
I get people are mad but at some point you'd think people would realize this never actually happens.
Every year ..."We lost so and so, NIT next year"
Its never accurate.
Iowa will definitely be in the tournament next year because players will get better just like they do every year.
Now, once they get there I have no expectations but not having a jbo can only help.
EMPHATICALLY YES. I’d fire him. Pretty sure I wouldn’t be a laughingstock at all after four straight BTT titles and FOUR straight exits on Th/Fri. You’d be ok with that apparently, and appallingly?
Sandfort should take the biggest step up next year.
Kris was already exceptional this year he just wasn't on the court nearly often enough.
Patrick, Perkins and Ulis should all improve too.
I expect both freshman guards to be good too.
I'm wouldn't be thrilled. but if I were AD there is no way in HELL that I would fire him. And, you would absolutely be a laughingstock for firing a coach that delivers 26 wins ad a BTT title simply because he doesn't get a regular season championship or a S16.
As a fan, this season has been a fun ride. Winning so many games down the stretch, wining the BTT. I enjoy watching them win and suffer with each loss. But this has been a terrific season.
If you are the AD for a public University, you have more at stake than just insisting on winning championships. No one in that seat would fire Fran. No one.
Thats a good analogy.
About this time last year I was really looking forward to not having Frans made guys this year. I knew we ultimately needed JT, Ulis and Perkins to play defense to succeed in the tournament.
Oh well. Next year he doesn't have any bad defenders left to play at guard. Although I could see him going out and bringing in a transfer short slow white guy.
Counter point is that every single player on this year's and next year's roster was a no-show for the Oregon and Richmond games. Same goes for the entire coaching staff.
From my point of view, I don't think Fran really has anything to "build on." He has to hope that he gets some new blood in the program that doesn't go all deer-in-the-headlights on the big stage, because that's pretty much all he's had his entire tenure, save for '19 NCAA Tourney. Then he has to get his own ass in gear when it comes to coaching in big games.
No way. Kirk's body of work absolutely craps all over Fran's.
I don't consider that relevant to next year at least as far as the players are concerned.
