So basically change his entire game? Yeah you're right he does need to do that. His terrible shot selection even makes Russell Westbrook Blush and his defense makes James Harden Blush
I am not optimistic for next season with none or one and done Fran.
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If Fran becomes strictly a figure head and lets Billy Taylor totally run the show there is hope.
Maybe you don't consider it relevant that every single person associated with the men's basketball program has curled up in the fetal position every time when it mattered most, but I do.
if iowa lost as a 5 seed four straight years (your scenario), nobody would blink if we parted ways with Fran. Most would ask how he managed to win four straight BTTs (and why he’d want to?) and exit in the first game four straight years.
you could have given me better scenarios to illustrate your point … this one is so implausible if we’re honest?
You don’t have to wait to fire coaches until the program craters into oblivion
There are lots of coaches who get told to GTFO…Steve Alford was one of them
There are lots of coaches who get told to GTFO…Steve Alford was one of them
I’m so sick of hearing nepotism I want to puke. PMac seemed to be the only on lacing them up yesterday. He deserves to be out there. Conner is not an offensive threat but led the national in assists/turnover ratio. He found Garza better than anyone. Actually played well in the last dozen games.
How? It's all just a waste of time considering getting a ticket to this weekend where Fran has shit the bed every single time he's ever made it (11) in his career is what the reg season is for. It's just impossible to remain enthusiasm in light of that for many and it's understandable. There will be even more empty seats next year, Barta and Fran will have earned it
I wasn't optimistic about this season, and they exceeded my expectations. Did they not meet yours?
Keegan was better than his kids last year just like Kris was this year and the bitch played his kids anyway. I don't care if you're sick of dealing with reality, this program is all about nepotism and favoritism and not a meritocracy at all. He started an injured and ineffective Connor over Keegan down the stretch last year and it's part of why both teams choked hard when it mattered most. Deal with it, homer
If we got Eric Musselman like I wanted when he was available instead of continuing with choke artist the program would be a lot better off
100% agreed - we really needed another veteran big from the portal to compliment Rebraca, who was serviceable. I am guessing Fran may have thought that the Big O and Mulvey could give us the needed muscle down low which obviously never materialized...Not to beat the proverbial dead horse, but that begs the question: Why was the extra scholly gifted to a player who had his bags packed already? I am not saying the portal was full of 4/5 star talent for the takin', but I would have been happy to have even taken a chance on big from a mid-level program...
I am looking forward to next year. I loved this year's team and a lot of it is coming back next year, with 2 exciting new recruits and possibly a transfer. Keegan is gone for sure, and possibly CMac, but I really like the team returning and I think the offense and defense will be better.
Pmac was ok on offense. 1 rebound and 1 foul tells you all you need to know about his activity level.
Wisconsin had ONE foul as a team in the first half of their game tonight. So their defense is bad?
Are you really comparing the fundamentals of those two? Wisconsin is active and fundamentally sound they know how to be physical without fouling. Pmac and Iowa in general is none of those things. When joe plays that way we don’t see him again.
Incredibly implausible.
I was simply tagging on to your scenario that without a B1G regular season championship and a S16 win in the next 3 years you would fire him.
If Fran is able to replicate the # of wins they have had in in the last 4 years into the next 3, there simply no way he will be fired. To do so would be incredibly risky.
Not sure what you are laughing about. Everything he said is the exact truth. That’s on you if you can’t see that.
If those 3 teams won 26 games each and won the B1G tournament you absolutely could not fire the coach. That would be lunacy.
so you’d be happy with four straight upsets to a 12 seed, which was the real scenario being discussed? Please answer that one directly. Tell me who the laughingstock of NCAA would be after four straight first round exits as a 5 seed? Again though, this is an implausible situation that won’t ever happen. We appear to disagree about how to handle it if so, and that’s fine. 🙂
I’m not looking to fight with true fans and most of you guys that support Fran are great Hawkeye fans, ticket holders, etc. I’ve probably met many of you over the years funny enough.
No of course not but losing to the 12 seed 4 times in a row if the team had 26 wins and a B1G tournament championship as well, I would be cool. There is more to the season than just the NCAA tournament. You may disagree with that and that's fine.
Well I knew you didn’t know much but thanks for typing and confirming.
Really Mike....there's no real answer??? That's why you are still in CR....what a kiss ass!!! EVERY real basketball program knows the clear cut answer to that question...pfffftt....what a joke!!!
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Fortunes reverse for Hawkeyes, Cyclones in NCAA men’s tourney
Up became down and down became up for Iowa and Iowa State in the NCAA men’s basketball tournament.
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I'm sure he should have started Perkins last year as well. This isn't last year and they weren't ready. Kris Murray isn't anywhere near his brother right now. In another year he could be special too depending on how much he works. Keegan got to play plenty of minutes last year and didn't show he was ready for starter minutes but was still a good player. It must be miserable being you. This was Fran's best coaching year since he came. If you can't see that you haven't watched or played much basketball.
You are serious??? After 100 years of not reaching the F'n Sweet Sixteen, do you REALLY have to think about if you would give up a Tourney Championship for advancing further in the Tourney THAT real programs gear up for??? That is incredible to me....what a losers mentality. Not surprised though....its a mentality that over the last 30 years that has slowly crept into the heads of the Outback Bowl faithful. Keep on keeping that bar nice and low!!!
I think they’ll make the NCAA again but it doesn’t really make a difference as I don’t think they’ll get anything better than a 7-8 seed or so.
Kris, Patrick, Tony, and Payton are all capable of 20 point nights in my opinion. JoeT and Ulis can distribute the ball just fine. If there’s an obvious hole it’s big men as none of ours are starting B1G caliber. Find a transfer 5 and this team actually might end up pretty good.
Fran needs to find a REAL big and Kris has to stay out of foul trouble or I see little chance.
Our Hawkeyes won 26 games this year…the SECOND MOST in Hawkeye history….. and we have people on this board saying the program has plateaued and the coach can’t win in a tournament (just won a B10 championship) and want to move on…..wow, stunning.
How is it stunning? He’s had over a decade to reach ONE sweet 16. There have been some really good teams filled with next-level talent.. and we still can’t get it done. One of Murray State/St. Peter’s is going to the sweet 16.. programs that have had much less consistency, like Oregon State, have gone as deep as the elite 8.
Let’s not act like the fans are asking for much. It’s two consecutive wins in the tournament. That’s it. If you’re paid millions of dollars a year and can’t get that done in 10 years, I think fans are right to call for someone else to get a chance.
I don’t expect you to agree but the B1G TOURNAMENT “championship” is meaningless. In fact, in my view it ruined this teams chance to really do something special.
Its not the smart people on this board saying this...its Fran proving it....duh!!!
The second most wins in school history.....and people want to move on. That just sound like sheer stupidity.
"can’t get that done in 10 years" That's the same thing people were saying about winning the B10 tournament, prior to his getting it done this year. It's factual, and therefore fair, to say that he hasn't gotten it done, BUT it is not established that he can't....and as the program continues to improve it appears that the chances are good that he will get it done.
Let’s not act like the fans are asking for much. It’s two consecutive wins in the tournament. That’s it...you act as if it's easy or simple to achieve....and yet in the history of Iowa basketball, how many times has it been done? In the entire history what, 8 or 10 times in our ENTIRE history? We just won 26 games in a season for ONLY THE SECOND time in our entire history. We just won the B10 tournament for only the 3rd time in our entire history?
Firing coaches who are consistently producing successful teams, producing good players, and good citizens/students is a really really dumb move in my opinion.
I don't agree....at all. It clearly mattered to the players, the coaches, and many many fans. Even the whiners on this board were using it as a standard to measure Fran's tenure as a failure....until they could no longer use it.
B10 tournament championships matter....denying that is a clear sign of rationalization to stick to a failed argument/position.
Just because Iowa can't do it, doesn't mean that its hard....F'n WISCONSIN does it almost EVERY year!!!
So, you cite one of the most successful college programs in the country, not just the B10, as proof that it's easy?
There are over 350(?) D1 basketball programs in the country....and only SIXTEEN (16) make it that far every year! That means those teams are really good, they have some luck in avoiding injuries, meeting an opponent who has an off night, and getting draws that are beneficial...and it's easy? Jebus
Well, Iowa must have had an awful lot of bad luck, meeting opponents when they're hot, bad draws and injuries to have gone 23 years without a Sweet 16. A hell of a lot of Division 1 teams have been there since Iowa was, not just a bunch of blue bloods. Face it - this program has been snake-bitten since chasing Tom Davis out of town.
