IA vs MN

[grappler6]

The big rivalry dual is around the corner. A true fan doesn't hide when times get tough. So I am here to start the convo.

125- Gilman has looked great this season. Polakowski has ski, but we are talking different levels. Maj if not more

133- haven't really watched Clark, but clearly the favorite. Ben Morgan got his first start today and showed up with a match saving pin. Brancale hopefully wakes up from being benched an gets his consistency together. Not sure who will go, but Clark by major.

141- I think Tommy wins a very controlled regular decision against whoever IA puts out

149- Hopefully Short decides to open up his attacks as he no longer has anything to lose and the dual won't be close. Most likely Sorenson wins a snoozer by probably 3 or 4 points.

157- Curious to see this one play out as it may be one of the most competitive matches of the dual, a true toss up in my mind.

165- if Krone is back in the lineup I like his chances, otherwise Rhoads beats whoever MN puts out.

174- Wanzek had been wrestling well and even against Purdue controlled the first 2:40 of his match, but then self destructed. On his best day I think he can compete with Meyer, but his good days are few and far between so I doubt we get his best. Meyer a very controlling major.

184- Berge gets the start and pins Brooks. Berge taunts the crowd, Terry doubles him but Broc hits the gator bacon to put Terry on his back. Berge puts his shoes on the mat and walks away from the sport. Lil Pfarr scraps for 7 minutes and Brooks racks up a near tech.

197-should be a good match. Pfarr wrestling very well all season. Give the edge to IA for now,

285- Stoll does well with his hand fighting and ties to push the wrestling to the edge of the circle. That Greco background paying off. Based on results this season it sure seems these two are very close in ability. Hopefully Kroells opens up a little more. Same for Sam, but I think the slower the pace the better for him.

Could get ugly for the Gophers. Be gentle.

 

[whejoe]

I'm excited for 141, 157,197 and hwt.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I'm excited for 141, 157,197 and hwt.

Me too. At either of those weights if the Gophers make an effort to score points they win. Especially at hwt. I'm not sure another wrestler in the NCAAs benefited more from the new stall/out of bounds rules than Stoll (Delgado graduated just in time). He can beat just about every hwt out there without having to attempt a leg attack or even record a td. Greco training playing huge dividends.

*Shot out to Wildturk- while I'm yet to actually see a Stoll "titty" I did think of you this Saturday at the OPRF tourney as a kid repeatedly stuffed his moobs back in his singlet during a match... he won the match btw.

 

[choosenuetral]

Once coffee is served this morning you can begin the countdown to a dog pile on slim for another trolling post. Well done. I got fired up for just a second and then realized it was you and then I wiped and flushed and can go about my day.

 

[Gusaford]

The big rivalry dual is around the corner. A true fan doesn't hide when times get tough. So I am here to start the convo.

125- Gilman has looked great this season. Polakowski has ski, but we are talking different levels. Maj if not more

133- haven't really watched Clark, but clearly the favorite. Ben Morgan got his first start today and showed up with a match saving pin. Brancale hopefully wakes up from being benched an gets his consistency together. Not sure who will go, but Clark by major.

141- I think Tommy wins a very controlled regular decision against whoever IA puts out

149- Hopefully Short decides to open up his attacks as he no longer has anything to lose and the dual won't be close. Most likely Sorenson wins a snoozer by probably 3 or 4 points.

157- Curious to see this one play out as it may be one of the most competitive matches of the dual, a true toss up in my mind.

165- if Krone is back in the lineup I like his chances, otherwise Rhoads beats whoever MN puts out.

174- Wanzek had been wrestling well and even against Purdue controlled the first 2:40 of his match, but then self destructed. On his best day I think he can compete with Meyer, but his good days are few and far between so I doubt we get his best. Meyer a very controlling major.

184- Berge gets the start and pins Brooks. Berge taunts the crowd, Terry doubles him but Broc hits the gator bacon to put Terry on his back. Berge puts his shoes on the mat and walks away from the sport. Lil Pfarr scraps for 7 minutes and Brooks racks up a near tech.

197-should be a good match. Pfarr wrestling very well all season. Give the edge to IA for now,

285- Stoll does well with his hand fighting and ties to push the wrestling to the edge of the circle. That Greco background paying off. Based on results this season it sure seems these two are very close in ability. Hopefully Kroells opens up a little more. Same for Sam, but I think the slower the pace the better for him.

Could get ugly for the Gophers. Be gentle.

Bravo -- I like the 184 call.

 

[sloehawk]

Hopefully Iowa being at Home puts a burr under the saddle of a few of our guys who have been sleep walking a bit lately. I hope Grothus goes at 141 and they put that weight to bed for good, win or lose. The Thorn boys are all tough and pretty sound in all positions, and I would favor Thorn at this time as well, a guy I don't think Carton could beat but Grothus definitely could pull it off. I've been amazed at how well Pfarr has done at 197, and for sure he's got a chance in this one, but I have to go with Burak until proven otherwise. I think the match will be up for grabs when the horn sounds. Can't see Alex Meyer majoring anyone at this point, but win he does. Don't know much about Kroells season, but it would be a good win for Sammy if he's able to pull it off.

On paper Iowa should win handily, but since they actually have to wrestle, we'll see how it goes. If the Gophers manage to win 4 matches, that would be a bad dual result for Iowa, IMO.

 

[gablefan73]

Me too. At either of those weights if the Gophers make an effort to score points they win. Especially at hwt. I'm not sure another wrestler in the NCAAs benefited more from the new stall/out of bounds rules than Stoll (Delgado graduated just in time). He can beat just about every hwt out there without having to attempt a leg attack or even record a td. Greco training playing huge dividends.

*Shot out to Wildturk- while I'm yet to actually see a Stoll "titty" I did think of you this Saturday at the OPRF tourney as a kid repeatedly stuffed his moobs back in his singlet during a match... he won the match btw.

So if Iowa wins those weights it's because the Minnesota guy didn't try to score points. Gotcha.

 

[TailgateTom]

 

[ih8iast8]

Iowa wins 59-0 Brody Grothus pinfalls at every weight except 141, where he graciously lets Thomas Gilman fill in for him while he runs stairs. Iowa has a team point deducted for arguing a stall call against Brody while he ran to the bathroom between 285 & 125 matches.

 

[jammenz]

Thorn, Kingsley, Krone, Pfarr, and Kroells. Stoll discovers that his favorite freestyle pushout is actually stalling in folkstyle and he gets dinged for it.

 

[andegre]

heres the dual comparison

http://www.wrestlestats.com/team/dualcomparison/42/minnesota/34/iowa

 

[Azchief32]

The big rivalry dual is around the corner. A true fan doesn't hide when times get tough. So I am here to start the convo.

Or start rooting for another team. Bravo Grappler.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Once coffee is served this morning you can begin the countdown to a dog pile on slim for another trolling post. Well done. I got fired up for just a second and then realized it was you and then I wiped and flushed and can go about my day.

Trolling?

 

[MSU158]

grappler6,

There is a difference between hiding and giving up. Go through what I have over the past 10 years and then get back to me. Minnesota at it's absolute worst will never fall to what MSU has become. I will always keep them in my heart and would love to see them do well but I am in boycott mode until something there changes. And believe me I didn't give up without a fight......

 

[Jackhawk87]

So MSU158, I know you root for MSU, but after they have been eliminated, who is the team you root for? You seem to be a very informed die-hard wrestling fan. You must have one.

Not trolling. Real question.

 

[MSU158]

Jackhawk87,

There is a reason I post on here! I always had a great deal of respect for Iowa(not necessarily any like at the time) as they were the standard bearer when I was at MSU. Still, I wouldn't say I truly became a fan until Brands took over. When Brands recruited Metcalf(I finally realized I was in denial when he didn't go to MSU, I should have known better as the Simmons were going to MSU no matter what and Gomez was their only top recruit over a VERY LONG span) I followed VTech and then inevitably Iowa. I would say I became a fan because of both Metcalf and Brands. I loved the mentality and was always a big fan of the Metcalfs(True shame what happened to Chase). Throw in Brent dedicating his career to his brother(which is why I want him to medal in the Olympics so badly) and I was hooked. To me wrestling was always more about HATING to lose than wanting to win. The tenacity of the Brands brothers and Metcalf resonated with me!

 

[Azchief32]

Me too. At either of those weights if the Gophers make an effort to score points they win. Especially at hwt. I'm not sure another wrestler in the NCAAs benefited more from the new stall/out of bounds rules than Stoll (Delgado graduated just in time). He can beat just about every hwt out there without having to attempt a leg attack or even record a td. Greco training playing huge dividends.

*Shot out to Wildturk- while I'm yet to actually see a Stoll "titty" I did think of you this Saturday at the OPRF tourney as a kid repeatedly stuffed his moobs back in his singlet during a match... he won the match btw.

What's with the bitter beer face Papa? You stop ragging on Burak and now have to go at Stoll?

If the Minne kids decide to score points, they win? How Yogiesqe...

 

[Gusaford]

Once coffee is served this morning you can begin the countdown to a dog pile on slim for another trolling post. Well done. I got fired up for just a second and then realized it was you and then I wiped and flushed and can go about my day.

Nuetral: Might want to run spellcheck. Just a suggestion.

 

[ChloeDancer]

Me too. At either of those weights if the Gophers make an effort to score points they win. Especially at hwt. I'm not sure another wrestler in the NCAAs benefited more from the new stall/out of bounds rules than Stoll (Delgado graduated just in time). He can beat just about every hwt out there without having to attempt a leg attack or even record a td. Greco training playing huge dividends.

*Shot out to Wildturk- while I'm yet to actually see a Stoll "titty" I did think of you this Saturday at the OPRF tourney as a kid repeatedly stuffed his moobs back in his singlet during a match... he won the match btw.

So what if the Iowa guys at those weights make an effort to score points? Who then wins?

So rag on Stoll for taking advantage of new rules benefiting wrestlers attacking and trying to score? Only leg attacks warrant praise? Do all his pins count in your book or the refs/rules gave those to him too?

At least you waited until Nelson graduated before ragging on stolls stalling tactics. Well played.

 

[el dub]

LOL A wrestler can avoid a stall call from backing out of bounds by simply holding their ground and tying up with Sammy. Trust me, he'd rather keep the action on the mat than chase an opponent who backs out all day long.

The fact is, we are seeing guys who would rather give up a point for backing out of bounds than taking their chances tying up with Stoll.

 

[Lsanders20]

LOL A wrestler can avoid a stall call from backing out of bounds by simply holding their ground and tying up with Sammy. Trust me, he'd rather keep the action on the mat than chase an opponent who backs out all day long.

The fact is, we are seeing guys who would rather give up a point for backing out of bounds than taking their chances tying up with Stoll.

Or they could circle. Just sayin that's always an option in this sport if you don't like giving points away. So above we have guys that might try to score points and win and some guys are just giving up points to avoid wrestling. I thought this was wrestling? What's going on?

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

What's with the bitter beer face Papa? You stop ragging on Burak and now have to go at Stoll?

If the Minne kids decide to score points, they win? How Yogiesqe...

Was never really going at Burak. That started at the beginning of the season with me doubting he would bonus a match based on lack of bonus last year. Unlike any other wrestler/match that I predicted not to bonus and was wrong, every time Burak does bonus its pointed out to me. I've playfully gone along with the running "jokes on me" but I haven't railed on Burak. Other than the initial non bonus prediction the only otjer thing Isaid about Burak was my explanation of why I predicted the him not to bonus (the previous year) and the joking banter when my mistake is pointed out. I think some may be taking each of those instances Burak bonus is pointed out to me as another seperate instance of me ragging on Burak.

The 2 Stoll references I made have been jabs at Wildturk and the nonsense he posted about Stoll and each time I clearly pointed out that Stoll is getting the job done. Maybe the layers of sarcasm on my humor makes it hard to get at times.

As far as dual predictions those are matches that I believe that the Gophers have a good chance to win but not if they don't make offensive attempts. A few of those guys have wrestled matches without any real attempts at offense. If they get after it I think those are matches to be had. If not, then they lose.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

So what if the Iowa guys at those weights make an effort to score points? Who then wins?

So rag on Stoll for taking advantage of new rules benefiting wrestlers attacking and trying to score? Only leg attacks warrant praise? Do all his pins count in your book or the refs/rules gave those to him too?

At least you waited until Nelson graduated before ragging on stolls stalling tactics. Well played.

I never called Stoll a staller. I commented that his style is benefitted by the new rules which is the same that many here said would happen with Brooks. I gave a thumbs up to his Greco training (which a lot on HR were poopooing and saying he needs to wrestle FS). He's a hwt, of course I don't expect him to take a bunch of leg attacks as most don't. I said he could win without them. Not sure if you guys know much about me or the program I'm from (other than who my son is and the program is pretty good) but OPRF puts a heavy focus on Greco and I appreciate it used in folkstyle matches when I see it. As far as the Nelson comment, you must think I'm a long time diehard Gopher fan... a small fraction of them are the only people that appreciated his wrestling style. I was born and raised in Illinois, live in Illinois, attended the University of Illinois and in the same post I said that Stoll is benefitting from the rules I also alluded to Delgado (HR may know him as Stallgado) graduating just in time because of the rules. If it makes any of you feel better, some of my posts on the Gopher and Illinois boards about their respective programs/wrestlers were not appreciated by some locals as well. I'll add you to the list of guys that can have a chat and a beverage with me in 4 and a half years.....

Fugg'n fandom

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Re: If Iowa guys try to score points in these matches- I still like the Gophers' chances. Take note that half of those matches feature Illinois natives that I rooted on to make Iowa's lineup, so my favoring the Gopher in those matches is about as neutral an observation as I can make. If both guys at 197 get after to keep scoring it will be the match of the night with Pfarr getting his hand raised and dare I say it... Burak walking away without bonus

 

[sloehawk]

Most of us know where you're coming from Papa. You're going to keep getting it for Burak for sure, but most is just a bit of static, which you clearly understand.

The fact of the matter is, every sport has rules. Those who play by those rules the best, seem to fare better. Sam Stoll didn't change the rules, and everybody else should know them by now, they certainly have choices to avoid giving up points, sames as Big Sam does when he's on the opposite end of it (personally I would watch some Brooks Black video, he seemed to understand how it works pretty well against Stoll, which ultimately didn't help him win the match, but still).

 

[Omahahawk86]

Was never really going at Burak. That started at the beginning of the season with me doubting he would bonus a match based on lack of bonus last year. Unlike any other wrestler/match that I predicted not to bonus and was wrong, every time Burak does bonus its pointed out to me. I've playfully gone along with the running "jokes on me" but I haven't railed on Burak. Other than the initial non bonus prediction the only otjer thing Isaid about Burak was my explanation of why I predicted the him not to bonus (the previous year) and the joking banter when my mistake is pointed out. I think some may be taking each of those instances Burak bonus is pointed out to me as another seperate instance of me ragging on Burak.

The 2 Stoll references I made have been jabs at Wildturk and the nonsense he posted about Stoll and each time I clearly pointed out that Stoll is getting the job done. Maybe the layers of sarcasm on my humor makes it hard to get at times.

As far as dual predictions those are matches that I believe that the Gophers have a good chance to win but not if they don't make offensive attempts. A few of those guys have wrestled matches without any real attempts at offense. If they get after it I think those are matches to be had. If not, then they lose.

I'm pretty sure you know that I've always just been kidding with the burak stuff. I guess other posters weren't aware.

Btw-in the Nebraska match Jensen got sick of Stoll pushing on him and decided to push back. Stoll hit a beauty of a slide by. I think he might have something there.

Most of your top tier clubs wrestle Greco. Some may not like it at the beginning but they participate and they improve from it. We didn't have a choice wether to wrestle it or not. Personally-it's always been my favorite.

 

[choosenuetral]

Nuetral: Might want to run spellcheck. Just a suggestion.

It's been that way from the beginning. I forgot I did it but that is back when everyone was misspelling slaytons name. You're only the second person to comment. Maybe it's time to correct it since the humor is long lost.

 

[choosenuetral]

Trolling?

Yes. Trolling. The art of making comments to incite others. Your negativity and sharpness goes beyond analysis. You bash Hawks and it's not appreciated by many.

 

[jammenz]

But is appreciated by some.

 

[Jay on HR]

Erry'body wants to get the hell away from Stoll when he wants to tie up. Thanks Telford for getting Stoll to be much better at handfighting

 

[#10Hawk]

So what if the Iowa guys at those weights make an effort to score points? Who then wins?

So rag on Stoll for taking advantage of new rules benefiting wrestlers attacking and trying to score? Only leg attacks warrant praise? Do all his pins count in your book or the refs/rules gave those to him too?

At least you waited until Nelson graduated before ragging on stolls stalling tactics. Well played.

What are you talking about, Nelson was all offense, especially on top