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If Israel doesn't accept cease fire - f em

Hamas wants that. They use human shields and embed in hospitals and schools so civilians will be killed.


That is not the children's fault. It is Hamas. They are evil. So is Bibi.
 
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This whole argument is stupid. When we went into Iraq to take out Sadaam....we were welcomed. When we started killing civilians and disbanding the army (largest employer), we were no longer welcome.

Get off your political stances and look at facts. Killing so many in Gaza is only going to make the next generation of Hamas stronger.

If somebody murdered your dad, would you just forget about it?
 
This whole argument is stupid. When we went into Iraq to take out Sadaam....we were welcomed. When we started killing civilians and disbanding the army (largest employer), we were no longer welcome.

Get off your political stances and look at facts. Killing so many in Gaza is only going to make the next generation of Hamas stronger.

If somebody murdered your dad, would you just forget about it?

This is what I keep saying about drone bombings. When innocent people die in your quest to take out the terrorist you only draw more people to these terrorist groups. Because everyone for some stupid reason seems to think that if we get more violent we will scare them from ever using violence against us. However that's not how humans work, the human response to violence is often to try to get revenge with more violence.
 
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Hamas wants that. They use human shields and embed in hospitals and schools so civilians will be killed.

That's what the Israel gov't tells us at least. I have my doubts that all of the Israel targets with civilians are secret hideouts for Hamas.
 
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That's what the Israel gov't tells us at least. I have my doubts that all of the Israel targets with civilians are secret hideouts for Hamas.

I saw videos on CNN in October of Hamas fighters in full uniform holding babies.

Very disturbing.
 
Yes, all media in the entire world is liberal and biased against Israel. Sigh.

You get this isn’t just an American thing right? Most of the world has effectively sided with Hamas - they don’t all watch CNN.
What was Hamas thinking when they invaded and took hostages? Can you answer that?

I doubt many if any people side with Hamas out side of the Palestinians and some other terrorist groups.

Palestinians are Hamas so they are getting exactly what they deserve.
 
No. I'm not. Hamas is just as guilty. Somebody has to be the adult in the room though. Bibi is making this worse b/c he is facing criminal charges. His own people don't support him
Put down the woke liberal playbook. Did you travel to Israel and take a survey or just spouting something Morning Joe and his ilk told you to say?
 
You didn't. But you explained why killing children was not Israel's fault
Whose children should Israel choose to die? Those of the Hamas supporters or their own? Because their entire premise is that if they don’t root out Hamas and carry out this offensive, then they are dooming their own children to die at the hands of the terrorists.

It’s a horrible situation to be in.
 
What was Hamas thinking when they invaded and took hostages? Can you answer that?

I doubt many if any people side with Hamas out side of the Palestinians and some other terrorist groups.

Palestinians are Hamas so they are getting exactly what they deserve.
Hamas is attempting to wipe out Israel. That’s their goal.

We’re all Germans Nazis? You’re a smart enough poster to know that that’s an overly simplistic statement to say that Palestinians are Hamas.

Imo most Palestinians support Hamas because 1) there isn’t a better option in Gaza; and 2) Israel is hurting and killing them as they try to get to Hamas. They’d be less than human if they didn’t try to hurt the people hurting them.
 
Hamas is attempting to wipe out Israel. That’s their goal.

We’re all Germans Nazis? You’re a smart enough poster to know that that’s an overly simplistic statement to say that Palestinians are Hamas.

Imo most Palestinians support Hamas because 1) there isn’t a better option in Gaza; and 2) Israel is hurting and killing them as they try to get to Hamas. They’d be less than human if they didn’t try to hurt the people hurting them.
Palestinians voted HAMAS in office.

Elections have consequences as most Americans are experiencing themselves since 2020.
 
Palestinians voted HAMAS in office.

Elections have consequences as most Americans are experiencing themselves since 2020.
Was it a 100% vote? Of course it wasn’t. And that vote was something like 15 years ago…Hamas hasn’t held an election since.

If you honestly believe there’s no difference between Hamas and Palestinians then there’s no winning short of genocide.
 
This whole argument is stupid. When we went into Iraq to take out Sadaam....we were welcomed. When we started killing civilians and disbanding the army (largest employer), we were no longer welcome.

Get off your political stances and look at facts. Killing so many in Gaza is only going to make the next generation of Hamas stronger.

If somebody murdered your dad, would you just forget about it?
So then Hamas can return the hostages and surrender. Problem solved.
 
FIne. But they aren't going to do that as long as IDF is killing women and children.
You're joking right? You honestly think hamas will return the hostages and surrender. Maybe you haven't figured this out yet but hamas doesn't care one bit about the women and children. In fact they like when women and children are killed. Please don't act like hamas is the good guys in this war.
 
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Was it a 100% vote? Of course it wasn’t. And that vote was something like 15 years ago…Hamas hasn’t held an election since.

If you honestly believe there’s no difference between Hamas and Palestinians then there’s no winning short of genocide.

Show me all the palestinian protesters who are against hamas? This could end tomorrow, hamas surrenders and give back the hostages. No more people have to die on either side if hamas would do that.
 
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Show me all the palestinian protesters who are against hamas? This could end tomorrow, hamas surrenders and give back the hostages. No more people have to die on either side if hamas would do that.
And why would Hamas do that?

in order for your Palestinian protestor to be against Hamas, they also have to be for someone else. Who would that be?
 
Yes, all media in the entire world is liberal and biased against Israel. Sigh.

You get this isn’t just an American thing right? Most of the world has effectively sided with Hamas - they don’t all watch CNN.
You mean antisemitism is thing worldwide? Shocking

Israel needs to end Hamas. Now is the time. A cease fire is just a way for hamas to reload and reorganize. Keep the pressure on and get rid of the problem right now. No 2 state solution. That ship has sailed. One state and the people in Gaza can assimilate or perish.
 
And why would Hamas do that?

in order for your Palestinian protestor to be against Hamas, they also have to be for someone else. Who would that be?

They can pick anyone they want, that's not up to me to decide. Surely there's a palestinian who isn't a terrorist.
 
No. I'm not. Hamas is just as guilty. Somebody has to be the adult in the room though. Bibi is making this worse b/c he is facing criminal charges. His own people don't support him
Eradicating Hamas by all means necessary, with as little collateral damage as reasonbly possible, is the only real solution that will have lasting effects for both Israel and Palestine. We didn't allow the nazis to stay in power after WW2. Evil must be destroyed and not allowed to have control over people's lives.
 
Eradicating Hamas by all means necessary, with as little collateral damage as reasonbly possible, is the only real solution that will have lasting effects for both Israel and Palestine. We didn't allow the nazis to stay in power after WW2. Evil must be destroyed and not allowed to have control over people's lives.

We didn't kill them all either...
 
FIne. But they aren't going to do that as long as IDF is killing women and children.
Shouldn't the women and children "try" to get out of the line of fire? Kind of hard when Hamas is hiding behind them. Sometimes you have to have acceptable casualties during a war especially when an enemy hides behind them.
 
They can pick anyone they want, that's not up to me to decide. Surely there's a palestinian who isn't a terrorist.
There’s no other Palestinian group in Gaza at the moment; there’s literally no one else to pick.

I’d wager the majority of Palestinians aren’t terrorists, but at the moment still support Hamas? Why? Because Israel is shooting at them!
 
There’s no other Palestinian group in Gaza at the moment; there’s literally no one else to pick.

I’d wager the majority of Palestinians aren’t terrorists, but at the moment still support Hamas? Why? Because Israel is shooting at them!
You are so incredibly full of shit
 
There’s no other Palestinian group in Gaza at the moment; there’s literally no one else to pick.

I’d wager the majority of Palestinians aren’t terrorists, but at the moment still support Hamas? Why? Because Israel is shooting at them!
And the ones cheering the dead raped girl being dragged behind a pickup truck on 10/7? These animals seem to always be overlooked or excluded from the populace any time we talk about this. Now it’s your turn. Explain why those Palestinians are different from the rest.
 
We didn't kill them all either...
No, but we did what it took to ensure they could no longer rule nor harm its own or other country's citizens. Something the world refuses to do with Hamas, thus here we are.
Nazi leaders were hunted all over the world to hold them accountable.
We let Hamas leaders live in luxury while they help funnel money to the terrorists in Gaza.
And when they strike Israeli citizens, and Israel retaliates, idiots like you howl and scream until Israel stops responding... then we rinse and repeat.
 
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No, but we did what it took to ensure they could no longer rule nor harm its own or other country's citizens. Something the world refuses to do with Hamas, thus here we are.
Nazi leaders were hunted all over the world to hold them accountable.
We let Hamas leaders live in luxury while they help funnel money to the terrorists in Gaza.
And when they strike Israeli citizens, and Israel retaliates, idiots like you howl and scream until Israel stops responding... then we rinse and repeat.

I'm not going to change your mind. That's okay. Just admit you hate muslims.
 
No, but we did what it took to ensure they could no longer rule nor harm its own or other country's citizens. Something the world refuses to do with Hamas, thus here we are.
Nazi leaders were hunted all over the world to hold them accountable.
We let Hamas leaders live in luxury while they help funnel money to the terrorists in Gaza.
And when they strike Israeli citizens, and Israel retaliates, idiots like you howl and scream until Israel stops responding... then we rinse and repeat.
Exactly. Their entire culture is set up to either end Israel or to die for propaganda against Israel. The people running them do not live in Gaza. They just use these people

Israel is rightly putting an end to this bullshit. It is enough
 
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