Go after Devries. If not him, go after someone who takes some pride in trying to not let the other team score.
If we don't go on a run in the NCAAs, it's time
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NO IT is not--we are in the golden age of Iowa B-ball.
Contract Extension, Pay Raise for Fran.
PMAC will start every game next year and average 14 shots per game.
Jack will go to Iowa and down the road turn to be a well below average defensive player at college level and Fran will play him at the 3 position.
Bowen likely enter Portal this spring, Fran won't bring anyone in, and if he does, it will be someone not really
wanted by other P5 teams.
JoshO will get a medical hardship scholarship and not play next year,
The 6'0 PG from Illiinoi will come in and turn out to be a solid offensive PG, not much of a defender.
We will have a lof of shooters next year, but no one to rebound/dribble drive, not much post game offense
Kris Murray off to NBA or at least G-league,
Sub 500 B1G record next year but Fran's overall B1G record last 5 years has been solid, so no
worries.
Contract Extension, Pay Raise for Fran.
PMAC will start every game next year and average 14 shots per game.
Jack will go to Iowa and down the road turn to be a well below average defensive player at college level and Fran will play him at the 3 position.
Bowen likely enter Portal this spring, Fran won't bring anyone in, and if he does, it will be someone not really
wanted by other P5 teams.
JoshO will get a medical hardship scholarship and not play next year,
The 6'0 PG from Illiinoi will come in and turn out to be a solid offensive PG, not much of a defender.
We will have a lof of shooters next year, but no one to rebound/dribble drive, not much post game offense
Kris Murray off to NBA or at least G-league,
Sub 500 B1G record next year but Fran's overall B1G record last 5 years has been solid, so no
worries.
The rally cry of many Hawk fans that will endure throughout eternity!
Give it another decade. Lots of coaches find huge success the second decade at a power 5 school.
Agree! 13 years is not near long enough to build a team that will get a Sweet 16.
I think it is time to get very good guards that show up every game.
I think it's time to start playing defense.
I do think this is the biggest NCAA in Fran's tenure. A quick out and they should consider striking on DeVries.
Iowa Fans are not going to yell and scream for the most part. They just stop showing up. There were a lot of open seats still at that game yesterday. A lot of them students.
An honest evaluation of his tenure:
Inherited it in pretty bad shape from the Alford-Lick death spiral. Stabilized things. Recruiting was not good the first 5 or 6 years. Some of his classes washed out totally. Who was the guy from Tennessee who was this big shooter who transferred almost right away to some small school? Luka and the Murray twins have raised it up and his recruiting has improved some.
My problem is defense. If you go back and look at KenPom, the teams look very very similar year after year; Very efficient at offence, and bad at defense.
Stats have shown that to get very far in the tournament, and win conference titles, you have to be good at both. You can't be one sided.
Iowa Fans are not going to yell and scream for the most part. They just stop showing up. There were a lot of open seats still at that game yesterday. A lot of them students.
An honest evaluation of his tenure:
Inherited it in pretty bad shape from the Alford-Lick death spiral. Stabilized things. Recruiting was not good the first 5 or 6 years. Some of his classes washed out totally. Who was the guy from Tennessee who was this big shooter who transferred almost right away to some small school? Luka and the Murray twins have raised it up and his recruiting has improved some.
My problem is defense. If you go back and look at KenPom, the teams look very very similar year after year; Very efficient at offence, and bad at defense.
Stats have shown that to get very far in the tournament, and win conference titles, you have to be good at both. You can't be one sided.
Exactly. Just need to give it another couple of decades. Once we FINALLY stop settling for stiffs like Luka Garza, Keegan and Kris Murray, Aaron White, Jarrod Uthoff, Peter Jok, Joe Wieskamp, Dev Marble, Jordan Bohannon, et. al., and finally get some National Player of the Year / All American / All Big Ten caliber players on the roster, then you'll all see the utter decimation and endless string of conference championships that Franny's basketball philosophy can unleash. So just hold on folks....a few more years. 2039 is right around the corner.
Yeah! Iowa had the #1 defense in the country in 2006! I still relish that season, it was one for the ages
Didn't realize there was particular time to employ this approach,.. interesting.
Frans tirades get used against him in recruiting and likely also the prospect of playing behind his kids no matter how good you are.
Not that it matters after darn near a generation you are what your record says you are.
Not that it matters after darn near a generation you are what your record says you are.
Oddly enough, these cases aren't as similar as people think, despite there being some comparisons.
Actually, Connor spans TWO generations. Imagine being a kid in the locker room and being able to say, "Back in MY day..."
I believe, if I read correctly, Connor used to babysit Stetson Bennett...
So, say, a 2 or 3 game run in one NCAA tourney (or not) would be the determining factor in whether you keep or fire a 13 year coach?
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
You really need to remember the hole that Lick left for Fran and reevaluate your post.
The one that ended in the first round?
Look I agree with you but this board only seems to think that a coach should be evaluated on a two week one and done tournament that often comes down to shooting luck. No one who points to Fran’s NCAA record(which is about as good as TD minus the Raveling player years)as a reason why he should be fired should talk about 2006 as a great year. That year was an utter disaster. We lost on a fluke shot in a tournament predicated on luck. That is the only tool you should use to evaluate a coach.
It really is amazing. Especially a tournament that is based mostly on shooting luck. I do think people hate Fran and want him gone in large part because of how he acts. I think that’s a fair argument but why can’t they just say it?
Fran's blow ups really don't bother me all that much, but his inability to have any kind of a defense is just amazingly STUPID at this point in his career as a coach. Add in the fact he can't get out of the first weekend EVER makes him very replaceable in my opinion.
Sounds like the same arguments used against Tom Davis in 97. That got us Alford and Lickliter and basketball hell for a decade. Not saying that will happen again but a program does run the risk, especially one like Iowa that has little pedigree and a terrible history of recruiting,(minus Raveling) of becoming awful again.
Why are we sure Devries can recruit players that can win at Iowa? I remember people clamoring for Jacobsen on here five years ago. He seems to be doing real well at UNI right now.
If we don't go on a run in the NCAA's this season, it's definitely time..
..to fire Barta,
..to fire Barta,
Some valid points, but the odds of Iowa firing Fran after this season are just a tiny bit better than a meteorite striking Carver-Hawkeye.
They gave Bluder 15 years to finally do it. That was ridiculous and so are the low expectations set for Fran.
Why should a coaches entire evaluation be on how well they do in a one and done tournament that is predicated on so many luck variables?
It shouldn't be.
Fran's body of work is average. His courtside conduct is absurd. Those alone should lead to a change.
You're right, he should be gone for a history of no tourney success.
Because once they say it, all the other facts that they give are quickly dismissed. I'm not saying you do that, but there are people who do.
His antics are wearing on me. The stare sent me over the edge, but after cooling off a bit, I'm not as mad as I was when it happened. I've also always thought that other coaches act like douche bags and don't get the same treatment.
But...no NCAA tournament runs. No Big 10 championships. No defense.
My feeling is that all we are thinking about is how bad it was under Lickliter and thinking that every new coach that Iowa hires will bring us back to those days and the chances of that happening are slim. And even if we do hire another Lickliter (I wouldn't put anything past Barta), we can just hire another coach.
Are Alford and Fran really that different when it comes to record and results? I get it he's a sleazeball but let's not pretend based on results that him and Fran are very different. Fran, Tom Davis, Alford kind of prove to me that Iowa has no issue getting average coaches. So why not try getting someone better knowing you can always get average. As a fan I have no problem finishing in last place and knowing the coach sucks and needs to be fired. Where I don't like to be as a fan is knowing what a coaches ceiling is and being stuck with coach. Alford, Fran and TD fall into that category. I know that doesn't make me a true Iowa fan but it makes me a normal fan everywhere else except Iowa.
Fran > Alford.
This will be Iowa's 5th NCAA Tournament team in a row (counting the 2020 tournament where Iowa was a lock), and that hasn't been done since the 80s. Iowa will now have made the NCAA Tournament in 8 out of 10 years. Alford did not come close to that sustained success. The Big Ten is much stronger now than it was when Alford was coach, and Fran's Big Ten record is better.
I think it's reasonable for fans to want to move on from Fran given the lack of NCAA tournament success. Fran is a good coach, but it seems like he's reached his ceiling. Even in our best year when we got the #2 seed, we looked outclassed by #7 seed Oregon.
It's a weird situation, because nobody can credibly say Fran has done a bad job. Over the last 5 years, Iowa has a better overall winning % and Big Ten winning % than it did when Lute Olson was at Iowa. But the program hasn't been to a Sweet 16 in over 20 years and unless Fran can deliver that this year, fans are justified in being restless.
For me it is not just about the lack of NCAA success.
It is IMO:
Never finished higher than tied for third in BIG regular season in 13 years
Never reached S16 in his career at Iowa or anywhere else
Terrible in game coaching and substitutions
His game behavior when he goes off has become tiresome and not a good look for Iowa
Inability to recruit guards that can compete in BIG (passing, ball handling, vision, penetration, and shooting)
Obvious nepotism and playing of his sons at the expense of the team/recruiting (JMO)
Never coaching up the defense to be at least adequate year after year
Never capitalized on Luka, Murrays, Wieskamp teams except one BIG tourney (KM)
Pretty much an average program overall in the BIG
Seems to never deviate from his game plan no matter how the game is trending
It is IMO:
Never finished higher than tied for third in BIG regular season in 13 years
Never reached S16 in his career at Iowa or anywhere else
Terrible in game coaching and substitutions
His game behavior when he goes off has become tiresome and not a good look for Iowa
Inability to recruit guards that can compete in BIG (passing, ball handling, vision, penetration, and shooting)
Obvious nepotism and playing of his sons at the expense of the team/recruiting (JMO)
Never coaching up the defense to be at least adequate year after year
Never capitalized on Luka, Murrays, Wieskamp teams except one BIG tourney (KM)
Pretty much an average program overall in the BIG
Seems to never deviate from his game plan no matter how the game is trending
Uh, yeah. 13 years of not having a top 16 team in the country is the aggregate factor. As an Iowan/Iowa fan I expect better.
To think otherwise, in my opinion, is akin to the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Fran must be really unlucky.
