In Minnesota, it simply won't stop raining
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Gonna be one sad groom if true.
No, the opposite needs to happen. Let rivers meander a little and allow wetlands to sponge up water. I just sold some crappy, marginal farm land that 2/3 of sits behind a levee. All that money wasted on turning marginal, sandy ground into slightly less marginal ground is a waste. Satellite view it and you see what nature intended it to be.
Heightened rainfalls are probably here to stay with man made climate change, but we can mitigate.
If you don’t like bird sanctuaries move to Louisa County and enjoy the lack of subsidized pickleball facilities.
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When we have interstates under water (I-90) or previously I-29 and I-35 under water, we have a problem. A fixable problem.
We bailed yesterday out of Lansing as we had business in Decorah. Mudslides south of town and across the river around Ferryville. I'm seeing 5+ inches of rain in a very short time. River forecast is to rise to 16.5', but some of the locals I spoke to think it will go higher, if not hit the all-time high water mark which was 22' in 1965.
We'll have to head up Tuesday to pull stuff we have stored under our cabin. At 22' we get water in the cabin itself. It just needs to stop raining in MN and WI.
We'll have to head up Tuesday to pull stuff we have stored under our cabin. At 22' we get water in the cabin itself. It just needs to stop raining in MN and WI.
Flooding sucks. Water just does what it does and stuff in its way gets wet.Sheesh...beginning to look like northern and NE Iowa might get a shitload of rain too.
Beginning sometime later next week, the Mississippi River in Iowa is going to get pretty damn high for this time of the year. Most gauges are already near to at action stage, and it's only going to go higher.
There's goes boating/fishing on the 4th of July (and maybe a whole lot of July)...
Big winds come and go pretty quickly. With high water, you often can see its relentless rise. It is a hopeless feeling, knowing that it will continue.
Good luck to all in the path.
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As long as we don't keep getting these 1-2 day events with 2+ inches further north over the same grounds next week, I don't believe we're going to get close to all timer levels.
Right now it looks like 4-5 foot rises are coming next week from roughly Harpers Ferry on down. For example Guttenberg is supposed to get into the 17's which is below the 19's from late April 2023.
But if it keeps raining...
Right now it looks like 4-5 foot rises are coming next week from roughly Harpers Ferry on down. For example Guttenberg is supposed to get into the 17's which is below the 19's from late April 2023.
But if it keeps raining...
Seeing some pics from the no pics Facebook page of Red Barn Campground west of town where we have a permanent site. Completely trashed, but don't think any injuries or deaths but lots of campers in the path of Clear Creek (trout stream) which came as far out its banks as I have seen in the 8 years we have had a site there.
I'll be curious to see how that raging river changes the course of the stream. Trying to get an accurate rainfall total as I have seen anywhere to 2" to 5+". Whatever the total was it happened in like 1-2 hours.
I'll be curious to see how that raging river changes the course of the stream. Trying to get an accurate rainfall total as I have seen anywhere to 2" to 5+". Whatever the total was it happened in like 1-2 hours.
Plus you’ve often spent oodles of effort sandbagging only for it to be all for nothing. Not to mention the not able to flush the toilets if the wastewater station gets shut down. Or drinking water.
Spencer Iowa appears to be really screwed.
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It is frustrating to some of us that now that exactly what climate scientists said was going to happen - increased frequency and intensifying of what was formerly rare flooding - is actually happening and yet people (including a majority of western Iowa voters) STILL refuse to support leaders who are interested in getting serious about making necessary changes to reverse climate change.
It’s like watching an alcoholic continue to pour booze down their gullet. You can’t help them until such time as they decide to finally help themselves and there appears little chance of that happening. It’s very frustrating
You people are so full of crap it’s just ridiculous.
Although the Great Flood of 1851 affected a large area of the United States, Iowa was the hardest hit state. Areas of flooding stretched from Nebraska and the eastern Dakotas on the west to the Ohio River valley to the east, and south to the lower Mississippi River basin. The flooding occurred from May to August of 1851 and was the result of record rainfall amounts across the Midwest and Plains.
As much as 74.5 inches of rain fell in Iowa in 1851--a record that has remained unbroken since then. (Compare that amount with the long-term statewide average rainfall of nearly 32.5 inches.) The flood demonstrated its severity by the severity of the flooding and impacts despite the relatively low population in Iowa at the time. Iowa had become a state only 4 1/2 years prior. The flooding in Iowa may have also been exacerbated because the Des Moines River basin--where the worst of the flooding occurred in Iowa--had been settled for less than 10 years. Residents there had never previously experienced a major flood. In addition, towns along the river lacked levees and substantial bridges which could withstand significant flooding. Additional flooding occurred that year along other rivers in the state such as the Cedar, Iowa, Skunk and Maquoketa Rivers.
Although the flood occurred a relatively long time ago, there were many accounts of it in historical documents. In fact it was the second-most written about event in Iowa county histories--only behind the winter snowfall of 1856-1857.
From May to July 1851, much of Des Moines was flooded. According to Mills and Company’s publication “Des Moines City Directory and Business Guide for the Year 1866-1867”:
“The Des Moines and Raccoon Rivers rose to an unprecedented height, inundating the entire country east of the Des Moines River. Crops were utterly destroyed, houses and fences swept away. Farms were covered with drift-wood and other debris, so that the entire work of the season was lost.”
Also, according to the Union Historical Company’s publication “The History of Polk County, Iowa”,
“The damage done to the farms in the river bottoms was immense. Some were stripped utterly of their fences; fields under cultivation were washed into ruts by the violence of the water; all hope of a crop for one season being destroyed, not only by what was carried away, but by the debris which was left by the subsiding of the river. It was almost impossible to estimate the losses. Roads were rendered impassable--bridges swept away--the mails stopped, and traveling by land to any distance utterly vetoed. Houses were carried away, mills damaged, timber floated off, and all manner of mischief done by the flood.”
Some local people blamed the Great Flood of 1851 for a temporary population decrease the Des Moines area after the flood. (weather.gov)
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In denial.
That was over 170 years ago
We're incurring these kinds of flood events once a decade now.
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Exactly the kind of smooth brain I was referring to.
Missed the point.
You refer to efforts dealing with symptoms.
Think about the illness.
Reduce carbon emissions biggly.
Slow down pouring fuel on the fire.
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Thousand year floods like the one in 1851 are occurring ‘once a decade’? Don’t suppose you got a link for that nonsense, do you?
You and your Chicken Little fan boys* are morons.
* @torbee
If we'd quit adding CO2 to the atmosphere 50 yrs ago, many of these storms would be less intense. Because weakening the jetstream leads to meandering fronts that move more slowly, and the higher atmospheric temperatures mean the atmosphere holds more water.
Both of those effects lead to more extreme events.
That flood was based on CO2 levels in the atmosphere in 1851.
They are far higher now, making a "1000 year flood" event a "25 year flood" event, now.
Wish we were in the path of a few inches, farmers think this weekend will make or break the corn crop.
This event isn't caused by climate change but rather by the SE heat dome. Pretty good read here...
Rain event explained
What no climate crazy has been able to explain…is if the United States spends billions on trying to reduce carbon emissions, yet other big polluters (like China) don’t…then that won’t materially impact the environment. It’s a global pollution issue. Farmers in northwest Iowa have for generations transformed most wet lands into farmland via tiling etc. That is what has significantly exacerbated the ground water flooding issue. Oh well, at least the drought is over. 😉
Iowa has taken the lead in renewable wind energy. I have geo thermal in my home at a sizeable expense. Any of you heating with gas are part of the problem. No geo? Then you're not serious about the climate. Anyone who vacations in Europe isn't serious about climate...
Is there any way to divert water west to states lacking. Obviously massive undertaking but is such a thing feasible?
No specific "event" is caused by climate change.
Events become more extreme with higher atmospheric temperatures created by CO2 level increases.
I’m not sure where you live, but here in Iowa the climate has changed significantly since I was a child 30+ years ago. If you can’t admit that it’s different now, you’re an idiot, and there’s no hope for you. You ignorant sheep will believe anything FOX News tells you.
Yes I live in Iowa.I’m not sure where you live, but here in Iowa the climate has changed significantly since I was a child 30+ years ago. If you can’t admit that it’s different now, you’re an idiot, and there’s no hope for you. You ignorant sheep will believe anything FOX News tells you.
And your anecdotal ‘evidence’ is no evidence at all.
Whether most scientists outside climatology believe that global warming is happening is less relevant than whether the climatologists do. A letter signed by over 50 leading members of the American Meteorological Society warned about the policies promoted by environmental pressure groups. “The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action. We do not agree.”2 Those who have signed the letter represent the overwhelming majority of climate change scientists in the United States, of whom there are about 60. McMichael and Haines quote the 1995 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is widely believed to “prove” that climate change induced by humans has occurred.3 The original draft document did not say this. What happened was that the policymakers’ summary (which became the “take home message” for politicians) altered the conclusions of the scientists. This led Dr Frederick Seitz, former head of the United States National Academy of Sciences, to write, “In more than sixty years as a member of the American scientific community ... I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report.”4
Policymaking should be guided by proved fact, not speculation. Most members of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change believe that current climate models do not accurately portray the atmosphere-ocean system. Measurements made by means of satellites show no global warming but a cooling of 0.13°C between 1979 and 1994.5 Furthermore, since the theory of global warming assumes maximum warming at the poles, why have average temperatures in the Arctic dropped by 0.88°C over the past 50 years?5
#Hoax
So, if your neighbor pours fuel on the fire, if you also do so it won’t it make a bigger fire?
What is the gain in your hood? Blame China or others, if you add to the fire, you are adding to the fire.
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Yes, increased instances of heat dome formation have been predicted by climate scientists for decades. Models are proving accurate.
You're gonna have to "dumb it down" even more to have any chance of them understanding the issue.
Radical Right media says "climate change" is exaggerated.
The numpties believe it.
Reality: The 100th Meridian line has moved steadily eastward as temperatures have increased. Soon, half of Iowa will have the climate of much of Nebraska, where crops do not grow w/o irrigation.
