In Minnesota, it simply won't stop raining

[Joes Place]

Yes I live in Iowa.
“The policy initiatives derive from highly uncertain scientific theories. They are based on the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuel and requires immediate action.

FUNFACT: The oil companies, themselves, understood this in the 1980s, and that information is readily available for review; it is archived at the University of Texas now.

It is outlined in excrutiating detail in the Frontline 3-part series The Power Of Big Oil.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I'd start investing in land in Northern Minnesota and southern Canada.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

FUNFACT: The oil companies, themselves, understood this in the 1980s, and that information is readily available for review; it is archived at the University of Texas now.

It is outlined in excrutiating detail in the Frontline 3-part series The Power Of Big Oil.

Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Pharm, Big Gun, Big Tech are all friends of the people who have the public’s best interest in mind. They are not greedy corporations who are only out to line their pockets and will push any narrative and propaganda to benefit themselves. 🙄

 

[Hans81]

So, if your neighbor pours fuel on the fire, if you also do so it won’t it make a bigger fire?
What is the gain in your hood? Blame China or others, if you add to the fire, you are adding to the fire.

I see the analogy that you’re trying to make, but it’s not realistic to compare a neighbor’s “fire” to the global climate.

 

[Scott559]

What no climate crazy has been able to explain…is if the United States spends billions on trying to reduce carbon emissions, yet other big polluters (like China) don’t…then that won’t materially impact the environment. It’s a global pollution issue. Farmers in northwest Iowa have for generations transformed most wet lands into farmland via tiling etc. That is what has significantly exacerbated the ground water flooding issue. Oh well, at least the drought is over. 😉

Paris Climate Agreement: Everything You Need to Know

The Paris Agreement charted a new course in the effort to combat global climate change, requiring countries to make commitments and progressively strengthen them. Here’s what the accord seeks to achieve, and why our future may depend on its success.

www.nrdc.org

 

[Kelsers]

Are you being sarcastic or intentionally obtuse?

I'm serious. Just climate change initiatives?

 

[SoDakHawk]

South Dakota I-29 Exit 2 to Exit 9 now closed. Building levees there to protect North Sioux City and Dakota Dunes.

I've received pictures of water over I29 in that area.

Hamilton Blvd exit on Sioux City underwater currently.

Big Sioux won't crest there for a couple more days. Missouri is cresting overnight.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I'm serious. Just climate change initiatives?

Just climate change initatives? Do think that is a joke or something? Humans are the direct reason for climate change. Humans are also stupid to think they can battle mother nature and continue to build homes and businesses in floodplains. Humans are dumb enough to subsidize developments in areas that shouldn't be developed.

Earth is angry at us and we don't seem to be paying attention.

 

[Kelsers]

Just climate change initatives? Do think that is a joke or something? Humans are the direct reason for climate change. Humans are also stupid to think they can battle mother nature and continue to build homes and businesses in floodplains. Humans are dumb enough to subsidize developments in areas that shouldn't be developed.

Earth is angry at us and we don't seem to be paying attention.

Well duh. What should be a few nation wide steps to get it under control?

 

[ICWestfan]

Yes, increased instances of heat dome formation have been predicted by climate scientists for decades. Models are proving accurate.

Really. I'd like a link to that assertion.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Well duh. What should be a few nation wide steps to get it under control?

Mandate solar and wind power. Mandate recycling. Cut down on office hours for folks that can work remotely. (No sense powering gigantic buildings with 2 or 3 people per floor). Tax carbon emissions. Cut subsidies to businesses/trades that are putting out more pollution through the air or water than they produce benefits for society. Lastly, tax Cyclone fans.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

Nuclear power....

 

[Kelsers]

Mandate solar and wind power. Mandate recycling. Cut down on office hours for folks that can work remotely. (No sense powering gigantic buildings with 2 or 3 people per floor). Tax carbon emissions. Cut subsidies to businesses/trades that are putting out more pollution through the air or water than they produce benefits for society. Lastly, tax Cyclone fans.

I agree with all of that. 1-new flood zone maps across the USA. 2-build more flood protection for interstate travel and cities. 3-tax carbon emissions

 

[Kelsers]

Nuclear power....

But nothing will get done to make much of a difference imo. Might take a couple election cycles to get it moving.

 

[Jimmy McGill]

I agree with all of that. 1-new flood zone maps across the USA. 2-build more flood protection for interstate travel and cities. 3-tax carbon emissionso

So... we agree to ....agree.....

That is not the ROT way

 

[Joes Place]

I see the analogy that you’re trying to make, but it’s not realistic to compare a neighbor’s “fire” to the global climate.

The better analogy is that the "neighbor's house" is part of your shared Zero Lot Line....

And here you are, making the absurd claim that you'd just look over to that other side and say "oh, that sucks for HIM!!!"

 

[Joes Place]

Really. I'd like a link to that assertion.

Look up "meandering jet stream" and how it relates to the warming of the arctic, if you really would like to learn about this. Probably quite a few articles out there you could learn from.

 

[SoDakHawk]

Assholes ruin yet another thread with politics. Take it somewhere else. One of the fifty other political threads. Or the one with climate change literally in the subject line.

 

[InsaneHawkJJP]

Assholes ruin yet another thread with politics. Take it somewhere else. One of the fifty other political threads. Or the one with climate change literally in the subject line.

HORT gonna HORT broseph

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[Chishawk1425]

Assholes ruin yet another thread with politics. Take it somewhere else. One of the fifty other political threads. Or the one with climate change literally in the subject line.

AGREED

 

[HROT]

 

[MitchLL]

For anyone that's ever had to go thru moving personal possessions, furniture, appliances, etc ahead of anticipated flooding or after damage...it's really horrible.

Even worse in the cleanup...is sightseers and gawkers while you're throwing shit into a dumpster.

I have empathy for these people.

 

[bagdropper]

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Reminds me of when the railroad bridge collapsed in CR in 2008.

 

[ICWestfan]

Reminds me of when the railroad bridge collapsed in CR in 2008.

Was that the Cargill tracks? The one that they parked train cars on to stabilize it that effectively dammed the Cedar?

 

[torbee]

Really. I'd like a link to that assertion.

Heat dome five times more likely due to climate change, say researchers

Latest ‘heat dome’ event over Louisiana, Texas, and much of Mexico was driven by human-caused climate change, say scientists.

thebulletin.org

 

[torbee]

Climate crisis will fuel more intense ‘heat domes’

The brutal “heat dome” spreading beyond Texas is one of the worst the nation has seen. The weather phenomenon, which occurs when a persistent region of high-pressure traps heat over an area, will only become more frequent and intense with climate change, warns an atmospheric scientist.

news.miami.edu

 

[torbee]

Increased impact of heat domes on 2021-like heat extremes in North America under global warming - Nature Communications

The heat dome explains about 55% of the 2021 Western North American high temperatures. The intensity of heat extremes associated with such circulations are increasing faster than background global warming due to soil moisture feedbacks.

www.nature.com

 

[torbee]

This Isn’t Your Grandparents’ Summer Heat

The face of summer is transforming, as people today face more frequent, longer-lasting and hotter heat waves than they did several decades ago

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[torbee]

As scientists have long predicted, warming is making heatwaves more deadly » Yale Climate Connections

Twenty years ago the IPCC warned of summer heatwave deaths in unprepared temperate regions like the Pacific Northwest.

yaleclimateconnections.org

 

[torbee]

@ICWestfan :

Twenty years ago the IPCC warned of summer heatwave deaths in unprepared temperate regions like the Pacific Northwest.

 

[torbee]

Climate change could bring year-round heat waves: UN researcher

As Europe and other regions swelter, a UN researcher cautioned that climate change was enabling increasingly intense and long-lasting heat waves, which in some areas could soon begin to hit year-round.

phys.org

 

[Joes Place]

As scientists have long predicted, warming is making heatwaves more deadly » Yale Climate Connections

Twenty years ago the IPCC warned of summer heatwave deaths in unprepared temperate regions like the Pacific Northwest.

yaleclimateconnections.org

These folks simply refuse to understand, that the meandering jetstream means weather systems are more likely to "sit in place" for longer periods of time.

That means the "heat dome" system sits in place for a week, or more, while the unstable weather patterns (rain) also sit in place, somewhere else, causing unusually high rainfall amounts in the same timeframes.

And that meandering jetstream effect has been predicted and observed - it is due to the rapidly warming Arctic/Antarctic, which reduces the thermal gradients from the mid-latitudes to high-latitudes and that causes the jetstream to become more wobbly, and "block" in place for many more days at a time than it used to.

This is not just people "claiming" there will be more droughts (with higher temps) and more severe floods - they know the mechanisms behind those impacts.

 

[2bagger22]

BREAKING: Concerns over the integrity of the Rapidan Dam

Water has already been going over and around it.

www.keyc.com

 

[MichaelKeller99]

These folks simply refuse to understand, that the meandering jetstream means weather systems are more likely to "sit in place" for longer periods of time.

That means the "heat dome" system sits in place for a week, or more, while the unstable weather patterns (rain) also sit in place, somewhere else, causing unusually high rainfall amounts in the same timeframes.

And that meandering jetstream effect has been predicted and observed - it is due to the rapidly warming Arctic/Antarctic, which reduces the thermal gradients from the mid-latitudes to high-latitudes and that causes the jetstream to become more wobbly, and "block" in place for many more days at a time than it used to.

This is not just people "claiming" there will be more droughts (with higher temps) and more severe floods - they know the mechanisms behind those impacts.

Wait, isn’t our problem flooding now? Or is just whatever suits the narrative at the moment?

“…higher temperatures also draw more moisture out of the soil and vegetation and into the atmosphere, thus tending to exacerbate droughts.”

 

[bagdropper]

Was that the Cargill tracks? The one that they parked train cars on to stabilize it that effectively dammed the Cedar?

Yep. It was like the bat signal that Thursday...when that bridge went down, we knew the shit just got VERY real.

It was amazing to see the aftermath in real time (I worked downtown at the time...it collapsed while at work). We heard it had collapsed, so we went down to street level - water had already been creeping up the avenue all week.

We could see the water rising, just standing at the curb. There was a fist sized rock we set at the water's edge...in 10 minutes, it was under water.

Our building closed down and evacuated a half hour later (city ordered) - basically a "grab your PC and anything else you might need to conduct your work + personal effects" bugout MASH style.

One of the more surreal days of my entire life. The river went up something like 10+ feet in 48 hours after that bridge collapsed - it had been a steady climb until then...

 

[Joes Place]

Wait, isn’t our problem flooding now?

Yes; that's why I'd explained how jetstream meandering leads to heavier, longer periods of rainfall with the increased warming that is caused by human activities.

Heavier, longer periods of rainfall lead to flooding. And when you have prolonged drought BEFORE those heavy rainfalls, the parched soil cannot absorb them as quickly as they would during more normal periods, which is how you get the massive mudslides you see in CA.

This stuff has been explained to you, over and over, again.
You plainly seem pretty dumb that you're never able to process and understand it.

 

[Joes Place]

BREAKING: Concerns over the integrity of the Rapidan Dam

Water has already been going over and around it.

www.keyc.com

Crikey!!

~40x the 'average' flow?
Don't look like they anticipated that in 1908...

 

[MichaelKeller99]

From the Executive Summary of Chapter 3 of IPCC’s 2012 Special Report on Extreme Events (SREX): “Many weather and climate extremes are the result of natural [i.e., not man-made] climate variability (including phenomena such as El Niño), and natural decadal or multi-decadal variations in the climate provide the backdrop for anthropogenic [human-caused] climate changes. Even if there were no anthropogenic change in climate, a wide variety of natural weather and climate extremes would still occur.”

• From the World Meteorological Society: “… any single event, such as a severe tropical cyclone [hurricane or typhoon], cannot be attributed to human-induced climate change, given the current status of scientific understanding.”
• From the 2014 National Climate Assessment’s Appendix 3: “There has been no significant trend in the global number of tropical cyclones nor has any trend been identified in the number of US land-falling hurricanes.”
• “A landmark paper in 2019 co-authored by eleven tropical cyclone experts” found that “the majority of authors had only low confidence that any other observed tropical cyclone changes were beyond what could be attributed to natural variability.”
• The “data and research literature are starkly at odds with this message” in the media that “torms are becoming more common and more intense, and rising greenhouse gas emissions are going to make it all a lot worse.”
  

. “pointing to hurricanes as an example of the ravages of human-caused climate change is at best unconvincing, and at worst plainly dishonest.”

 

[DooBi]

I love when weather isn't climate... until it is. Lol