Inside ISU athletic dept

[bojihawk44]

Who in this thread said that ISU is going to consistently fill a 70k stadium? I believe they can consistently fill a 61,500 seat stadium. If they continue to have winning seasons, there will be a need for adding more seats in the north endzone. That's not hard to imagine. Again, they've had 1 winning season in 5 seasons now and they sold 58,000 tickets per game last season. That was an increase of over 5,000 per game from the year before when they only won 3 games. It's not hard to predict our attendance going up by thousands more per game as the Cyclones continue to win games and have winning seasons.

Read the other posts. The delusion is strong in here and among ISU fans.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

What will Iowa and Barta do if isu starts selling beer? Will Iowa follow?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Iowa Season Ticket 7 games - $415
ISU Season Ticket 7 Games - $475

To buy 4 seats at the 50 for Iowa: 415*4 Plus Donation 4*600 = $4,060
To buy 4 seats at the 50 for ISU : 475*4 Plus Donation 5000 = $6,900

What would the cost be if you bought 12?
What are other tix in the stadium? Do you see Iowa tix for under $200 for season tix? You're focusing on a very small portion of the stadium and only at a certain amount of tickets purchased in that section.

BTW it looks like sections E/W are also on the 50 and only requires 500/1000 donation. So not only are you limiting this to the 50 yard line, but now to a section of that section. Cmon now LMFAO......

 

[98Clone]

You're forgetting that the prices WILL go up if you keep winning(which you probably won't), they are not gonna stay at $25 a game lol.
How many tix you have left when you had a decent team and the #4(or so) team came in to jack trice? Saw plenty of empty seats in the little time I watched.....

Not sure what this $25 per game price is? I've been a season ticket holder for 20 years now since graduating from ISU and I've never paid that cheap of price I can tell you that. My bill for my 4 season tickets for 2018 is $2070 and that's not including the $1,000 minimum annual donation to get the priority seating. It's also not including parking pass cost. My seats are on the 25 yard line lower deck. I paid over $1,800 for my 4 seats last year, so you're correct in prices are going up. Of course we also have 7 games this season vs 6 home games last season.

Now I understand that ISU offers discounted prices for seats in the corners and endzones (excluding Sukup endzone seats at $750 each) and for 3 game mini packs, but don't most stadiums discount their worst seats in the stadium? Does Kinnick charge the same for an endzone seat as it does for a sideline seat?

 

[OutbackBowl2017]

What will Iowa and Barta do if isu starts selling beer? Will Iowa follow?

Barta is too busy staring at the hole in the ground at Kinnick envisioning his legacy to think about or multi-task with the thought of serving alcohol to the general public. He’d rather overcharge for games ($100 PSU ticket price) then get sell outs so the stadium looks awesome in person for recruits and on tv.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

We were informed of this a few years back when ISU posters were telling us about their rising enrollment.

Little did we know they would soon add "excellent water quality" to their list. I don't know about anybody else, but I get thirsty after cheering at a football game.

In all seriousness, those that follow athletics know that 20 years ago, we never ever could have imagined the Baylor Bears needing more seats or worrying about if they'd be in or out of the CFP.

baylors whole teams are practically texas kids
are you trying to compare them to the clowns?

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Not sure what this $25 per game price is? I've been a season ticket holder for 20 years now since graduating from ISU and I've never paid that cheap of price I can tell you that. My bill for my 4 season tickets for 2018 is $2070 and that's not including the $1,000 minimum annual donation to get the priority seating. It's also not including parking pass cost. My seats are on the 25 yard line lower deck. I paid over $1,800 for my 4 seats last year, so you're correct in prices are going up. Of course we also have 7 games this season vs 6 home games last season.

Now I understand that ISU offers discounted prices for seats in the corners and endzones (excluding Sukup endzone seats at $750 each) and for 3 game mini packs, but don't most stadiums discount their worst seats in the stadium? Does Kinnick charge the same for an endzone seat as it does for a sideline seat?

http://cyclones.com/sports/2015/3/2/fbtickets.aspx?path=general
175/7=25

Some of our new endzone seats are like $2k each or some crazy price.
Weird rich people LOL......

You guys have an end zone club for those weirdos too though, just don't charge them as much.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

What will Iowa and Barta do if isu starts selling beer? Will Iowa follow?

They kind of already do in the new end zone area.

 

[hawx]

What will Iowa and Barta do if isu starts selling beer? Will Iowa follow?

If that's what it takes then I'm in for 5 overpriced draft beers at Kinnick.

 

[98Clone]

http://cyclones.com/sports/2015/3/2/fbtickets.aspx?path=general
175/7=25

Some of our new endzone seats are like $2k each or some crazy price.
Weird rich people LOL......

You guys have an end zone club for those weirdos too though, just don't charge them as much.

O.k. So at least get current pricing (link below) for 2018 if you're going to provide a link. I love how you're talking about the cheapest few sections out of like 60 sections in the stadium when you make your point. The majority of all sideline seats in Jack Trice are $475 per season ticket this year. Last year they were $425 when we had one less game.
http://cyclones.com/sports/2017/7/12/football-season-tickets-second-level.aspx

 

[H4wkfan4life]

O.k. So at least get current pricing (link below) for 2018 if you're going to provide a link. I love how you're talking about the cheapest few sections out of like 60 sections in the stadium when you make your point. The majority of all sideline seats in Jack Trice are $475 per season ticket this year. Last year they were $425 when we had one less game.
http://cyclones.com/sports/2017/7/12/football-season-tickets-second-level.aspx

Looks like about half the seat are cheap seats and student seats.....

 

[98Clone]

Looks like about half the seat are cheap seats and student seats.....

O.k. So I count 38 sections in the stadium are at $475 or $825 per season ticket. 15 are at $300 per ticket, 8 are at $200 in the link I provided. I guess if you want to say half are "cheap seats" I guess your math is different then mine. Keep spewing your line that half the seats are $25 per game at Jack Trice. The gap between ISU and Iowa fans in the state is closing and will continue to narrow as ISU football improves and hawk fans like yourself can't handle it and have to make up crap to make yourselves feel better.

 

[hawkfeever]

I don’t see this being a terrible goal for them. Why not try to get more capacity.. I think their program is in the right direction with MC. Nothing wrong with goals. I think it only helps the rivalry when they aren’t dog shit. Especially if we have to play them, I want them to be decent. Still hate iowa state and their fans.

Right on. Strike while the iron is hot! That north end zone just looks not right, that and the teeny tiny old press box.

 

[hawkfeever]

Hey, 2 of the season tix they sold last year were to me, so Hawks subsidizing Clones, yes?? Wife is ISU grad. Makes it cheap ticket when Iowa plays there and can go any other time.

And we could not make it out there to Kansas game and we could not give those suckers away. That was a cool rainish day, although I did run a 10 mile race that morning in the rain and damn right if Iowa was playing in Kinnick I would be there heavy downpour, cold, wind, snow, etc!

 

[H4wkfan4life]

O.k. So I count 38 sections in the stadium are at $475 or $825 per season ticket. 15 are at $300 per ticket, 8 are at $200 in the link I provided. I guess if you want to say half are "cheap seats" I guess your math is different then mine. Keep spewing your line that half the seats are $25 per game at Jack Trice. The gap between ISU and Iowa fans in the state is closing and will continue to narrow as ISU football improves and hawk fans like yourself can't handle it and have to make up crap to make yourselves feel better.

To MY eyes, the brown/tan/gray look to take up half the stadium.
BTW, I don't think all sections hold the same amount of people.
I'm talking all the sub $300 seats....you wouldn't consider those "cheap" compared to most power 5 football tix(even for poor seats)??

 

[MJOFLY]

Hey, 2 of the season tix they sold last year were to me, so Hawks subsidizing Clones, yes?? Wife is ISU grad. Makes it cheap ticket when Iowa plays there and can go any other time.

And we could not make it out there to Kansas game and we could not give those suckers away. That was a cool rainish day, although I did run a 10 mile race that morning in the rain and damn right if Iowa was playing in Kinnick I would be there heavy downpour, cold, wind, snow, etc!

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[Roy-munson]

are we really getting called out for ONLY having 50K in our stadium for some games given our history? Did you hawk fans forget jumping off the wagon in droves during your 1998 to 2000 losing seasons? Geez.

Iowa still averaged over 60k for those 3 years.. missing 6-7k fans was a hit but it wasn't in droves like you think..

 

[98Clone]

To MY eyes, the brown/tan/gray look to take up half the stadium.
BTW, I don't think all sections hold the same amount of people.
I'm talking all the sub $300 seats....you wouldn't consider those "cheap" compared to most power 5 football tix(even for poor seats)??

The tan and brown are the corners and endzone sections. All of the seats between the endzones (sideline seats) are $475 or they are student tickets. I have no idea what other schools charge for season tickets for corner and endzone seating. Why in the hell are you still arguing this point? I'm glad you're so well versed on the ticket options and seating for Jack Trice now. I've never once looked at or cared about season ticket pricing at Kinnick. I only pay attention to seating there once every two years when I'm there for rivalry game, which I haven't missed since before '94.

 

[soybean]

The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa. Some fans think this way, too, without realizing that Ames' proximity to a fast-growing Des Moines is a huge advantage that could well shift the balance in-state. One could say it's already shifting, and rather rapidly with strong coaching hires, a sturdy and largely successful basketball program, and as a last piece of their long-term growth plan, football. They are being helped immensely by fawning coverage from the Des Moines Register and other central Iowa media outlets. Iowa now plays second fiddle in this regard.

Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance. Watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts do not really involve much buy-in from a fan support perspective and leave open the chance to flip channels and begin paying more attention to the other in-state program, especially when it does better than your own.

This ISU growth trend is not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change. Meanwhile, maybe Iowa continues being the "fat cat" athletic department even though it can't sustain historical levels of fan support and can only survive by enjoying the fruits of superior TV revenues. Fine, so long as those revenues continue to be superior and some level of competitive success is enjoyed on the playing field.

But what we've seen lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU. The powers that be in Ames are more than ready to fill the gap and essentially, in their view, do to Iowa what Iowa did to them for such a very long time. Little Brother is growing up.

This well written opnion piece is worth considering.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

The tan and brown are the corners and endzone sections. All of the seats between the endzones (sideline seats) are $475 or they are student tickets. I have no idea what other schools charge for season tickets for corner and endzone seating. Why in the hell are you still arguing this point? I'm glad you're so well versed on the ticket options and seating for Jack Trice now. I've never once looked at or cared about season ticket pricing at Kinnick. I only pay attention to seating there once every two years when I'm there for rivalry game, which I haven't missed since before '94.

A 2 second glance is all it takes bud.....

 

[CentexClone]

We were informed of this a few years back when ISU posters were telling us about their rising enrollment.

Little did we know they would soon add "excellent water quality" to their list. I don't know about anybody else, but I get thirsty after cheering at a football game.

In all seriousness, those that follow athletics know that 20 years ago, we never ever could have imagined the Baylor Bears needing more seats or worrying about if they'd be in or out of the CFP.

Beats drinking out of Corralville.

 

[Blackleaf40]

Sell outs at ISU have much more to do with the time of year than the opponent. A decent portion of the fanbase work in the ag sector. The early games before the farmers get in the field are always going to sell better. Obviously, it also helps if the team is decent to push fence sitters into going. SDSU and Akron will both likely sell out this fall, while selling out later games against ranked teams will totally depend on how successful the team has been to that point...and it still might be a struggle. It is what it is. I've had season tickets for years and can't remember a time when I made more than 3 home games.

BTW, this current project under discussion will increase capacity very little if any.

Wait. Did everyone miss this?

This is the most interesting explanation for lack of fans at JT during mid season.

The "harvest theory"

 

[cavhawk14]

The project going before the BOR this month is NOT an expansion of the NEZ at Jack Trice. It is for things that will be more in the North Entrance of the stadium. Expansion of seating in the NEZ is down the road. They are going to connect the concourses together and build some buildings outside the concourse for the athletic department (mostly for football). They are also expanding the Reiman Gardens outside the SEZ for 20M dollar to make part of a grand entrance to ISU.

It is just a matter of time before ISU overtakes Iowa on total seats, Iowa is SHRINKING to let say 69K (according too Barta). ISU right now is officially 61.5K. If the NEZ is ever renovated for seats, it will easily put ISU about 70K (but that is years away).

The question is, will ISU pass season ticket sales for Iowa this year. It is a long shot, but it is actually starting to look possible. Just a few years back it was like 50k versus 29K on season tickets. This years season tickets likely will be a record for ISU (which is currently 43K). Is 50K possible? Maybe. ISU will have made major strides on closing the gap in season tickets.

As for the cost of Iowa versus ISU tickets, I just looked on both websites to see what it costs there are to get into the best sections at the 50 yard line. Here is what I could come up with for 2018:

Iowa Season Ticket 7 games - $415
ISU Season Ticket 7 Games - $475

To buy 4 seats at the 50 for Iowa: 415*4 Plus Donation 4*600 = $4,060
To buy 4 seats at the 50 for ISU : 475*4 Plus Donation 5000 = $6,900

Now I realize there might be an I-Club donation as well for Iowa, but it would have to be 3K to bring the price up to ISU levels.

Also, both schools require donations to get seats that are from back of end zone to back of end zone on the sides, and the remainder of seats in the endzones are donation free, so that is pretty much a wash.

Also, for 2017 average attendance Iowa was #22 and ISU was #28 (Never been top 30 before). Based upon the games they have this year in Ames, there is a very good possibility that ALL games will sell out at 61.5K, and if this happens ISU could move to #25, just 3 spots behind where Iowa expects to finish.

Oh, and by the way, I went to the Iowa/OSU game this year, and there were easily 2-3k empty seats high up in the endzones when the game started, and judging from all the red, there were at least 5K + of OSU fans.

 

[StormHawk42]

The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa. Some fans think this way, too, without realizing that Ames' proximity to a fast-growing Des Moines is a huge advantage that could well shift the balance in-state. One could say it's already shifting, and rather rapidly with strong coaching hires, a sturdy and largely successful basketball program, and as a last piece of their long-term growth plan, football. They are being helped immensely by fawning coverage from the Des Moines Register and other central Iowa media outlets. Iowa now plays second fiddle in this regard.

Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance. Watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts do not really involve much buy-in from a fan support perspective and leave open the chance to flip channels and begin paying more attention to the other in-state program, especially when it does better than your own.

This ISU growth trend is not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change. Meanwhile, maybe Iowa continues being the "fat cat" athletic department even though it can't sustain historical levels of fan support and can only survive by enjoying the fruits of superior TV revenues. Fine, so long as those revenues continue to be superior and some level of competitive success is enjoyed on the playing field.

But what we've seen lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU. The powers that be in Ames are more than ready to fill the gap and essentially, in their view, do to Iowa what Iowa did to them for such a very long time. Little Brother is growing up.

I think you are on to a few things here. Namely, Iowa pricing out its own fans and taking for granted that fans will always show up just because “we’re Iowa.”

 

[cavhawk14]

I will guarantee those first 2 home games in Jack Trice sellout in 2018. Yes, playing in state rivals helps sell tickets although the opposing fans still make up less than 10% total attendance. What you all fail to take into consideration is that ISU had won no more than 3 games in a season (prior to last year) for 4 years in a row. The ISU fan base has been pretty damn loyal enduring those several bad seasons in a row and still averaging over 50,000 fans per game 2 seasons ago (in route to 9th place finish in Big 12). Now we're about to see how many more thousands of people will show up when the team is having back to back winning seasons. ISU keeps having seasons like last year or even better, and Jack Trice will be bursting at the seams, having no problem selling 61,000+ tickets each game. Plenty of those "fair weather" or fringe fans in central Iowa will decide it's closer to drive to Ames than it is IA City to see a winning football team and they'll jump on our bandwagon. It would become just like Hilton Coliseum is with demand for tickets way exceeding the supply.

By the way, when's the last time Carver Hawkeye Arena has sold out? I see they still had about 700 tickets remaining for hosting #3 Purdue last week. There's a perfect example of what losing can do to a fanbase. I'd love to see how bad numbers would drop at Kinnick if Iowa had to endure 4 straight losing seasons in football. Your average attendance would be well south of 50,000, I'm confident of that.

 

[Psyclone]

You're forgetting that the prices WILL go up if you keep winning(which you probably won't), they are not gonna stay at $25 a game lol.
How many tix you have left when you had a decent team and the #4(or so) team came in to jack trice? Saw plenty of empty seats in the little time I watched.....

Iowa State offers a variety of season ticket pricing options depending on location. The four tickets I just ordered cost me $4325 and that doesn't include the required donation. It does include $50 for a parking pass and $25 in processing fees. The rest is for tickets. Below is a rundown of season ticket options.

• The majority of good seats are priced at $475 per seat and requires a $100 to $5000 donation depending on seat location.
• Seats in the Sukup End Zone Club are $825 and require at least a $500 Cyclone Club donation. That's a genius move turning lower quality endzone seats into premium seats. I believe Iowa will do the same with their new endzone seats.
• Seats in the Jack Trice Club are $1650 and require at least a $5000 donation.
• The highest priced seats in Jack Trice Stadium are the suites. I don't know what suites are going for now or if there are any available. They to the best of my knowledge require a multi-year committment.
• Faculty/Staff and Letterwinners can get tickets for $425, which is a $50 discount off the normal ticket price. The donation required varies by seat location
• There are also some lower priced seats in the corners that go for $299 and $199 with no donation required.
• A $175 mobile pass is available where the seats vary by game and require your phone to get in rather than printed tickets. I believe these seat locations vary between the the upper deck corners and the unsold seats in the visitor 4000 seat allocation. Not many Big 12 teams bring 4000 fans to Jack Trice, which is one of the reasons sellouts are difficult. Kansas State fans travel well, but until Kansas gets better, not many fans make the trip. Those are the two closest schools. I don't know when the unsold visitor tickets are returned, but that is often when you find some mid-season ticket bargains to try to fill those seats.

 

[Kranepool2]

Barta has been on the seat licensing and parking lot band wagon for the last decade.
Everyone constantly says he’s a fund raising f
Goo -roo. He just doubles the price for the same product. I know cuz I have paid the money.

Parking has doubled on the press box side of Kinnick. Seat liscensing has gone up approx. $500. Per seat over the last 5 years, approx.

This is how they are raising money. They must have a long waiting list.

 

[MuskieCy]

Immediately after defeating Oklahoma, ISU had a home game against Kansas (homecoming I believe), and the stadium was half full at best. yes it was kind of rainy, but come on. If that would have been Kinnick it would have been a heck of lot more than half full.

55,800 for the KU game.

Just a bit more than half full.

 

[MuskieCy]

are we really getting called out for ONLY having 50K in our stadium for some games given our history? Did you hawk fans forget jumping off the wagon in droves during your 1998 to 2000 losing seasons? Geez.

I went to games in IC with 40K at best.

God bless Francis Xavier Lauterbur. $2 south end zone seats.

 

[kwik44]

What will Iowa and Barta do if isu starts selling beer? Will Iowa follow?

Kakert has hinted it's coming (Iowa) and sooner rather than later.

 

[kwik44]

I will guarantee those first 2 home games in Jack Trice sellout in 2018. Yes, playing in state rivals helps sell tickets although the opposing fans still make up less than 10% total attendance. What you all fail to take into consideration is that ISU had won no more than 3 games in a season (prior to last year) for 4 years in a row. The ISU fan base has been pretty damn loyal enduring those several bad seasons in a row and still averaging over 50,000 fans per game 2 seasons ago (in route to 9th place finish in Big 12). Now we're about to see how many more thousands of people will show up when the team is having back to back winning seasons. ISU keeps having seasons like last year or even better, and Jack Trice will be bursting at the seams, having no problem selling 61,000+ tickets each game. Plenty of those "fair weather" or fringe fans in central Iowa will decide it's closer to drive to Ames than it is IA City to see a winning football team and they'll jump on our bandwagon. It would become just like Hilton Coliseum is with demand for tickets way exceeding the supply.

By the way, when's the last time Carver Hawkeye Arena has sold out? I see they still had about 700 tickets remaining for hosting #3 Purdue last week. There's a perfect example of what losing can do to a fanbase. I'd love to see how bad numbers would drop at Kinnick if Iowa had to endure 4 straight losing seasons in football. Your average attendance would be well south of 50,000, I'm confident of that.

If you'd like a taste of just how many more Iowa fans reside in the state than Cyclones, attend Carver Hawkeye at a wrestling event. That is a different type of fan that you will not recognize at football or basketball events & sells out time & time again. While not sure on exact numbers of carryovers against Okie St. in '15, Kinnick had 42k for a wrestling match, then 70k that evening against Minnesota.

The # of fans out there isn't the problem, it's getting them to attend events routinely with 2+ hour drives that is.

 

[Rustys Dad]

The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa. Some fans think this way, too, without realizing that Ames' proximity to a fast-growing Des Moines is a huge advantage that could well shift the balance in-state. One could say it's already shifting, and rather rapidly with strong coaching hires, a sturdy and largely successful basketball program, and as a last piece of their long-term growth plan, football. They are being helped immensely by fawning coverage from the Des Moines Register and other central Iowa media outlets. Iowa now plays second fiddle in this regard.

Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance. Watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts do not really involve much buy-in from a fan support perspective and leave open the chance to flip channels and begin paying more attention to the other in-state program, especially when it does better than your own.

This ISU growth trend is not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change. Meanwhile, maybe Iowa continues being the "fat cat" athletic department even though it can't sustain historical levels of fan support and can only survive by enjoying the fruits of superior TV revenues. Fine, so long as those revenues continue to be superior and some level of competitive success is enjoyed on the playing field.

But what we've seen lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU. The powers that be in Ames are more than ready to fill the gap and essentially, in their view, do to Iowa what Iowa did to them for such a very long time. Little Brother is growing up.

This is one of the most well-written and on-topic responses I've read on this board. I think this is a spot-on post.

 

[David1979]

I do think the U of I has done a horrible job of marketing and promoting for both sports and for the university as a whole. The new president was supposed to address these issues but apparently he is too busy signing whatever Barta puts in front of him.

Iowa State is the bigger university now and their fan base is growing along with a growing Des Moines metro area.
I also think that for whatever reason, maybe it is because of so much losing in the past, ISU fans are much more willing to support the team win or lose than Iowa fans. Iowa football fans have an 8 win season and football and are bitching and moaning and saying they won't go to games. ISU wins what 2 or 3 games the previous season and they actually sold more season tickets for the following year. As for the basketball program. I don't know what it would take to get a more consistent turnout. I don't think building a new facility is going to automatically bring people.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

So ISU sells out 3/6 games this last season (61,500) and averages just under 58,000 fans per game last season and you'd "be shocked if ISU ever averages over 60k per game"? If we win the majority of our games at Jack Trice, like I think we will, it's likely to happen in 2018. Are you trying to humor the hawk fans, Bryce?

I'd be very surprised but obviously hope it happens. IMO there is the potential for a lot of early losses (could easily happen) and there are 3 games against ho-hum opponents Oct 27th and later. Weather will be a factor. We can agree to disagree.

Parents have more of an effect than ticket price.
I was practically born into fandom for most my teams.
Pretty sure ISU has always been closer to dsm.

This is true but enrollment has increased 15k since I went to school there, and a LOT of those grads are moving to DSM. Plus the overall level of engagement for the fans is vastly different than it was even 10 years ago. I am not one of those people that think ISU will be surpassing Iowa overall, but there are a lot of ISU fans in close proximity to Ames in the growing DSM metro, which can only help the program.

 

[98Clone]

Iowa still averaged over 60k for those 3 years.. missing 6-7k fans was a hit but it wasn't in droves like you think..

I'd love to see Iowa have a few losing football seasons in a row while ISU is having winning seasons, then we'll see how many are showing up at Kinnick on Saturdays. It would be much less than 60k. ISU finally broke through in 2000 with their first winning season in over 15 years, so it's not like fringe football fans in the state of Iowa had better options in '98 and '99, although Iowa was in the midst of a 5 game losing streak to ISU. It's not hard to see how Iowa built up their fan base during Hayden's glory years because ISU football sucked for so many years at the same time.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

are we really getting called out for ONLY having 50K in our stadium for some games given our history? Did you hawk fans forget jumping off the wagon in droves during your 1998 to 2000 losing seasons? Geez.

Giving more exact numbers
1999 = ~63.5k per game (~7k less than capacity)
2000 = ~61.25k per game (~9k less than capacity)

Those are two of the worst seasons that Iowa has had in almost 40 years and while attendance dropped, it was still something that many schools would be envious of.

 

[98Clone]

Giving more exact numbers
1999 = ~63.5k per game (~7k less than capacity)
2000 = ~61.25k per game (~9k less than capacity)

Those are two of the worst seasons that Iowa has had in almost 40 years and while attendance dropped, it was still something that many schools would be envious of.

Had Iowa not gone 7-5 in Ferentz 3rd season in 2001, and started off 4-0 at Kinnick that season as well, that trend would have continued to get worse for attendance at Kinnick. Iowa only had 2 losing seasons to start under Ferentz after Hayden's final year that was a losing season. Iowa was obviously rebuilding and trending in the right direction by 2001. There's no comparison to ISU's 3 bad years at the end of Rhoads' tenure. The fact of the matter is winning for either fan base is what puts butts in seats. Each school has their die hard fans that show up win or lose. The extra 5,000-10,000 (or more) fans show up when the team is winning games. That's why it's not hard to envision ISU selling 60,000+ per game if they continue to have winning seasons.

Check out how Iowa's attendance trended upward in 2001 as they opened up season winning games at Kinnick. They sure didn't start the year kicking ass in attendance after 3-8 season the year before. Imagine if they won another 3 games in 2001 and then you'd have a better idea of what ISU fans went through for 4 losing seasons in a row prior to last season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Iowa_Hawkeyes_football_team

 

[FranklinHawk]

I went to games in IC with 40K at best.

God bless Francis Xavier Lauterbur. $2 south end zone seats.

So in back to back posts it seems you shifted between tickets sold and actual attendance, which one are you talking about??

 

[hawkfeever]

55,800 for the KU game.

Just a bit more than half full.

Buddy that was tickets sold, not butts in the seats, not even close.

 

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