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I'd love to see Iowa have a few losing football seasons in a row while ISU is having winning seasons, then we'll see how many are showing up at Kinnick on Saturdays. It would be much less than 60k. ISU finally broke through in 2000 with their first winning season in over 15 years, so it's not like fringe football fans in the state of Iowa had better options in '98 and '99, although Iowa was in the midst of a 5 game losing streak to ISU. It's not hard to see how Iowa built up their fan base during Hayden's glory years because ISU football sucked for so many years at the same time.

Iowa has always had a larger fan base...even in the dark years between 1960 and Hayden's hire. When ISU had winning teams under Johnny Majors and Earle Bruce while Iowa was losing...Iowa still had a larger fan following and more butts in the seats. It grew under Hayden but it didn't start then.
 
If that's what it takes then I'm in for 5 overpriced draft beers at Kinnick.

Already do for box seats and will in north end zone box seats. Will everywhere at some point. In my view they need to use up outdoor space on west side of stadium and put in temp enclosures or put in permanent structures and add vendors including serving beer.
 
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Giving more exact numbers
1999 = ~63.5k per game (~7k less than capacity)
2000 = ~61.25k per game (~9k less than capacity)

Those are two of the worst seasons that Iowa has had in almost 40 years and while attendance dropped, it was still something that many schools would be envious of.
Had that trend continued at both schools Iowa State attendance would have passed Iowa in three years. However the ISU trend would have flattened out because capacity was limited. ISU was already starting to sellout some games forcing further growth to come from the other games. But as we know, Iowa stopped the bleeding when the team started winning and attendance recovered.
 
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Iowa has always had a larger fan base...even in the dark years between 1960 and Hayden's hire. When ISU had winning teams under Johnny Majors and Earle Bruce while Iowa was losing...Iowa still had a larger fan following and more butts in the seats. It grew under Hayden but it didn't start then.

No argument there. Iowa has always had bigger stadium and sold more tickets, but the gap (in fans) in the mid to late 70's was much smaller until Hayden starting winning in early 80's and then ISU started sucking after Bruce left for Ohio St. at the same time. Fry capitalized on the demise of ISU football for sure. Campbell is closing that gap again and fringe fans will start to go ISU's way if he keeps winning. As another hawkeye poster in this thread already stated, Iowa better not remain complacent in their marketing efforts.
 
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The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa. Some fans think this way, too, without realizing that Ames' proximity to a fast-growing Des Moines is a huge advantage that could well shift the balance in-state. One could say it's already shifting, and rather rapidly with strong coaching hires, a sturdy and largely successful basketball program, and as a last piece of their long-term growth plan, football. They are being helped immensely by fawning coverage from the Des Moines Register and other central Iowa media outlets. Iowa now plays second fiddle in this regard.

Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance. Watching TV and listening to radio broadcasts do not really involve much buy-in from a fan support perspective and leave open the chance to flip channels and begin paying more attention to the other in-state program, especially when it does better than your own.

This ISU growth trend is not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change. Meanwhile, maybe Iowa continues being the "fat cat" athletic department even though it can't sustain historical levels of fan support and can only survive by enjoying the fruits of superior TV revenues. Fine, so long as those revenues continue to be superior and some level of competitive success is enjoyed on the playing field.

But what we've seen lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU. The powers that be in Ames are more than ready to fill the gap and essentially, in their view, do to Iowa what Iowa did to them for such a very long time. Little Brother is growing up.

GREAT post!!!!!

This caused me to reflect on some changes Barta and his crew made to accommodate the big boys who park west of Kinnick. I've had club seat tickets since day one and we enjoyed immensely the environment of tailgating there. Tons of friends stopped at our tailgate each game to say hi as they made their way into the games. Then, Barta decides tents are out because the big money boys want to come in at the last minute.

Just take a look at that parking lot today. It's not close to what it was in the glory days. And lots of people lost a little chunk of the game day experience.

Jamie Pollard is playing to win. Gary Barta is playing not to lose.
 
Get back to me with their attendance statistics in years where they don't host both Iowa and UNI. South Dakota State and Akron don't quite put butts in the seats like in-state rivals do.

I don't say this as an argument Bond, but keep in mind that North Texas isn't what I'd call a thrill either.
 
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I don't say this as an argument Bond, but keep in mind that North Texas isn't what I'd call a thrill either.
That's my point. We don't depend on in-state rivals bringing in thousands of fans to boost our attendance numbers every other year. We might only get 60,000 for North Texas, but those are our 60,000 fans!!!
 
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GREAT post!!!!!

This caused me to reflect on some changes Barta and his crew made to accommodate the big boys who park west of Kinnick. I've had club seat tickets since day one and we enjoyed immensely the environment of tailgating there. Tons of friends stopped at our tailgate each game to say hi as they made their way into the games. Then, Barta decides tents are out because the big money boys want to come in at the last minute.

Just take a look at that parking lot today. It's not close to what it was in the glory days. And lots of people lost a little chunk of the game day experience.

Jamie Pollard is playing to win. Gary Barta is playing not to lose.

Barta and the PC patrol began neutering the game day experience about 10 years ago...and the timing could not have been worse. (Imagine that... Barta with bad timing). The lot directly outside the West stands is a shining example.
 
Spoke to someone who works below Pollard. Says a stated goal is to have the largest capacity football stadium in the state and highest average attendance per game in football and basketball year in, year out. They’re confident it will be accomplished with the north end zone expansion of Jack Trice. (They’re not far off right now with attendance.) That’s not exactly breaking news, but how clearly stated that goal is was interesting, as was how much they see Iowa as a benchmark to pass and how confident they are it will happen.
I don't think the north endzone expansion adds any seats. Which makes me wonder how far below Pollard this person works;)
 
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The project going before the BOR this month is NOT an expansion of the NEZ at Jack Trice. It is for things that will be more in the North Entrance of the stadium. Expansion of seating in the NEZ is down the road. They are going to connect the concourses together and build some buildings outside the concourse for the athletic department (mostly for football). They are also expanding the Reiman Gardens outside the SEZ for 20M dollar to make part of a grand entrance to ISU.

It is just a matter of time before ISU overtakes Iowa on total seats, Iowa is SHRINKING to let say 69K (according too Barta). ISU right now is officially 61.5K. If the NEZ is ever renovated for seats, it will easily put ISU about 70K (but that is years away).

The question is, will ISU pass season ticket sales for Iowa this year. It is a long shot, but it is actually starting to look possible. Just a few years back it was like 50k versus 29K on season tickets. This years season tickets likely will be a record for ISU (which is currently 43K). Is 50K possible? Maybe. ISU will have made major strides on closing the gap in season tickets.

As for the cost of Iowa versus ISU tickets, I just looked on both websites to see what it costs there are to get into the best sections at the 50 yard line. Here is what I could come up with for 2018:

Iowa Season Ticket 7 games - $415
ISU Season Ticket 7 Games - $475

To buy 4 seats at the 50 for Iowa: 415*4 Plus Donation 4*600 = $4,060
To buy 4 seats at the 50 for ISU : 475*4 Plus Donation 5000 = $6,900

Now I realize there might be an I-Club donation as well for Iowa, but it would have to be 3K to bring the price up to ISU levels.

Also, both schools require donations to get seats that are from back of end zone to back of end zone on the sides, and the remainder of seats in the endzones are donation free, so that is pretty much a wash.

Also, for 2017 average attendance Iowa was #22 and ISU was #28 (Never been top 30 before). Based upon the games they have this year in Ames, there is a very good possibility that ALL games will sell out at 61.5K, and if this happens ISU could move to #25, just 3 spots behind where Iowa expects to finish.

Oh, and by the way, I went to the Iowa/OSU game this year, and there were easily 2-3k empty seats high up in the endzones when the game started, and judging from all the red, there were at least 5K + of OSU fans.

Why pick just the most expensive sections. Iowa prices substantially more for sections not considered prime and there is much more capacity in those sections.

Leave it to isu to have lower prices and then claim some volume record.

Oh and before clown fans think this will save them when the TV rights come up again you might want to check out the ratings for Iowa and isu games.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/
 
It's not a bad goal but I'd be shocked if ISU ever averages over 60k per game. It's a combination of a lot of factors.
I recall the Hawkeye fans -- not just a few, but a hell of a lot, both in and out of the media -- saying in 1975 that ISU would never sell out a 42,500 seat stadium (size of Trice when new). Not that they wouldn't average that many, but that they would never sell it out.

I think the Hawk fans here may have a point about discounted tickets. I don't know what Iowa does in that regard. ISU sells season tickets in the upper deck corners at a reduced rate, and I think they often have three-game packages.

The poster who mentioned making ISU more attractive for when the next reorganization comes makes a good point. ISU has the third largest stadium in the Big XII now.
 
Iowa has always had a larger fan base...even in the dark years between 1960 and Hayden's hire. When ISU had winning teams under Johnny Majors and Earle Bruce while Iowa was losing...Iowa still had a larger fan following and more butts in the seats. It grew under Hayden but it didn't start then.
I was expecting Lone Clone to weigh in on this, but he probably has sand between his toes and is sipping on an umbrella drink in Aruba.
 
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I don't say this as an argument Bond, but keep in mind that North Texas isn't what I'd call a thrill either.

They throw them in there to get some backups some work and to offer youth tickets to get the kids to come. Kids don't care or know they aren't seeing a great game. It's the Hawks. How many Northwestern games did I get to go to as a kid and never understood at the time how bad Northwestern was. And I didn't care.
 
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They throw them in there to get some backups some work and to offer youth tickets to get the kids to come. Kids don't care or know they aren't seeing a great game. It's the Hawks. How many Northwestern games did I get to go to as a kid and never understood at the time how bad Northwestern was. And I didn't care.

Things have changed when you pay almost $500 a season ticket plus a donation of $500 to $600 per seat to sit along the 40’s. That’s $4400 for my family to go to games and I don’t want to pay that to see ISU, UNI, North Texas, Miami of Ohio, or Northern IL on a consistent basis.

Barta is banking on fans being “satisfied” with the B1G season when they should be working to bring in at least one top non con game to be more relevant year in and year out like Wisconsin. Barry knows what he is doing. Barta, not so much since he is scheduling patsy U to get three victories to help get to a bowl game. Talk about irrelevant and weak schedule issue if Iowa is in play for a play off spot.
 
Things have changed when you pay almost $500 a season ticket plus a donation of $500 to $600 per seat to sit along the 40’s. That’s $4400 for my family to go to games and I don’t want to pay that to see ISU, UNI, North Texas, Miami of Ohio, or Northern IL on a consistent basis.

Barta is banking on fans being “satisfied” with the B1G season when they should be working to bring in at least one top non con game to be more relevant year in and year out like Wisconsin. Barry knows what he is doing. Barta, not so much since he is scheduling patsy U to get three victories to help get to a bowl game. Talk about irrelevant and weak schedule issue if Iowa is in play for a play off spot.

We are tied into a Power 5 non-conference opponent every year and for the foreseeable future. With 9 B1G games on the schedule now and Iowa State every year, the likes of North Texas and Northern Illinois visiting Kinnick will be the norm. The way the schedule is constructed there's no way we are going to schedule a home-and-home with Alabama or any other meaningful P5 opponent unless something happens. The program needs the revenue from 7 home games, as has been stated hundreds of times. It's not that hard to understand, I can't believe people are still upset about our confused by this.
 
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There's a reason everyone else is downsizing or staying put. National attendance figures showed the sharpest decline in 34 years.

This expansion is predacated on Campbell not leaving, having consistent success in Ames and ISU not getting left out when realignment hits.
 
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No argument there. Iowa has always had bigger stadium and sold more tickets, but the gap (in fans) in the mid to late 70's was much smaller until Hayden starting winning in early 80's and then ISU started sucking after Bruce left for Ohio St. at the same time. Fry capitalized on the demise of ISU football for sure. Campbell is closing that gap again and fringe fans will start to go ISU's way if he keeps winning. As another hawkeye poster in this thread already stated, Iowa better not remain complacent in their marketing efforts.

If he keeps winning? He's 11-14.
 
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Things have changed when you pay almost $500 a season ticket plus a donation of $500 to $600 per seat to sit along the 40’s. That’s $4400 for my family to go to games and I don’t want to pay that to see ISU, UNI, North Texas, Miami of Ohio, or Northern IL on a consistent basis.

Barta is banking on fans being “satisfied” with the B1G season when they should be working to bring in at least one top non con game to be more relevant year in and year out like Wisconsin. Barry knows what he is doing. Barta, not so much since he is scheduling patsy U to get three victories to help get to a bowl game. Talk about irrelevant and weak schedule issue if Iowa is in play for a play off spot.

"Barry knows what he is doing"
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Akron
Georgia State
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Utah State
Florida Atlantic
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Western Kentucky
BYU
New Mexico
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Central Michigan
Kent State
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Appalachian State
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Eastern Michigan
Army

I like what Barry does to get the neutral site games but don't make it look like he is throwing P5 schools into Madison every year.
 
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I recall the Hawkeye fans -- not just a few, but a hell of a lot, both in and out of the media -- saying in 1975 that ISU would never sell out a 42,500 seat stadium (size of Trice when new). Not that they wouldn't average that many, but that they would never sell it out.

I think the Hawk fans here may have a point about discounted tickets. I don't know what Iowa does in that regard. ISU sells season tickets in the upper deck corners at a reduced rate, and I think they often have three-game packages.

The poster who mentioned making ISU more attractive for when the next reorganization comes makes a good point. ISU has the third largest stadium in the Big XII now.


Size of stadium will mean very little. Iowa - low population state, shared fanbase with Iowa, leads to little added TV revenue which hurts ISU anyway you look at it.
 
The danger for Iowa--apparently embraced by Barta as athletic department fundraiser-in-chief--is pricing too many fans out of the market. 1By opening the doors to more affordable ticket pricing, ISU is winning new fans and filling seats--growing its fan base. They seem especially focused on young fans ... the future.

My concern is that Barta has taken Iowa's fan base for granted, as if Iowa will always be on top because, well, it's Iowa.

2Barta's "don't screw it up" regime lacks imagination and appears to have little by way of strategic planning, outside of revenues and new facilities. This almost singular focus on growing revenues--fan support be damned--has the strong potential of slowly winnowing away base-level fans who cannot afford, or choose not to afford, actual game attendance.

This ISU growth trend is 3not entirely Barta's fault and may be inevitable, given the shifting dynamics of our state's population and the growing disinterest in liberal arts education (I still recall the rather snobbish "Iowa Culture vs. Iowa State Agriculture" mantra in the build-up to the game that renewed the Iowa-ISU football series; no one really thinks in those terms any more). For instance, ISU has out-enrolled Iowa for a few years now and that trend may not change.

But what we've seen 4lately in terms of poor basketball performance and largely mediocre football performance only opens the door even wider for ISU.


1- As an example Pepsi did this to Coke years ago and maintains that edge to this day. Began marketing to the younger audience. (Michael Jackson, etc). Pepsi also is positioned to stay there as the high schools sell Pepsi products in their schools lounges, work rooms and concessions while Coke gets the college crowd. But many have established "brand loyalty" by that time. Brand identification and loyalty. It's a proven marketing concept that works.

2- Many large, established companies want to maintain, not continue to grow, and end up losing out to upstarts. You'd think the "Business College" folks in Iowa City would recognize this and work it to their advantage. Hayden understood quite well. Always wanted to maintain the "home field", keep ISU obviously the inferior program, and work out from there. Sell excitement, innovation, exotics, and unpredictability. Wisconsin, Minny, and Nebraska don't have the shared fan-base.

3- Iowa should not have trouble attracting students. Careers in Health care and Business have been booming. Law should also be a strong suit at SUI. They've let ISU get the upper hand in Engineering however. Iowa's program has little identity to the average citizen. ISU markets better to Iowa High schools too. Word is here in SE Iowa that the UI would rather have the out-of-state tuition$ from Chicago students than from local in-state students. All about the $ versus growing and keeping ISU the less recognizable school. (This may be in part from B of Regents too. I remember ISU complaining of Iowa State patrol cars being black with gold shields on the doors being too much like "Iowa" colors and lobbying to get that changed.)

The U is also cramped for expansion space to accept more students and a bigger population in IC, but there's lots of open space to expand in Ames.

4- This would cure a lot of "ills". Funny how ISU can get a lot of JC kids and kids who are marginal students in, but Iowa can't / won't. Hopefully the new University President can get this changed.
 
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I'd love to see Iowa have a few losing football seasons in a row while ISU is having winning seasons, then we'll see how many are showing up at Kinnick on Saturdays. It would be much less than 60k. ISU finally broke through in 2000 with their first winning season in over 15 years, so it's not like fringe football fans in the state of Iowa had better options in '98 and '99, although Iowa was in the midst of a 5 game losing streak to ISU. It's not hard to see how Iowa built up their fan base during Hayden's glory years because ISU football sucked for so many years at the same time.
Dream on :)
 
1- As an example Pepsi did this to Coke years ago and maintains that edge to this day. Began marketing to the younger audience. (Michael Jackson, etc). Pepsi also is positioned to stay there as the high schools sell Pepsi products in their schools lounges, work rooms and concessions while Coke gets the college crowd. But many have established "brand loyalty" by that time. Brand identification and loyalty. It's a proven marketing concept that works.

2- Many large, established companies want to maintain, not continue to grow, and end up losing out to upstarts. You'd think the "Business College" folks in Iowa City would recognize this and work it to their advantage. Hayden understood quite well. Always wanted to maintain the "home field", keep ISU obviously the inferior program, and work out from there. Sell excitement, innovation, exotics, and unpredictability. Wisconsin, Minny, and Nebraska don't have the shared fan-base.

3- Iowa should not have trouble attracting students. Careers in Health care and Business have been booming. Law should also be a strong suit at SUI. They've let ISU get the upper hand in Engineering however. Iowa's program has little identity to the average citizen. ISU markets better to Iowa High schools too. Word is here in SE Iowa that the UI would rather have the out-of-state tuition$ from Chicago students than from local in-state students. All about the $ versus growing and keeping ISU the less recognizable school. (This may be in part from B of Regents too. I remember ISU complaining of Iowa State patrol cars being black with gold shields on the doors being too much like "Iowa" colors and lobbying to get that changed.)

The U is also cramped for expansion space to accept more students and a bigger population in IC, but there's lots of open space to expand in Ames.

4- This would cure a lot of "ills". Funny how ISU can get a lot of JC kids and kids who are marginal students in, but Iowa can't / won't. Hopefully the new University President can get this changed.
Your 3rd point is interesting and one that I found to be true in HS and college (while looking for law school). Even though I bleed black and gold and a life long Iowan, I never really felt wanted by Iowa. Seemed like they had bigger fish to fry. Maybe not everyone’s experience but that was mine.
 
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1- As an example Pepsi did this to Coke years ago and maintains that edge to this day. Began marketing to the younger audience. (Michael Jackson, etc). Pepsi also is positioned to stay there as the high schools sell Pepsi products in their schools lounges, work rooms and concessions while Coke gets the college crowd. But many have established "brand loyalty" by that time. Brand identification and loyalty. It's a proven marketing concept that works.

2- Many large, established companies want to maintain, not continue to grow, and end up losing out to upstarts. You'd think the "Business College" folks in Iowa City would recognize this and work it to their advantage. Hayden understood quite well. Always wanted to maintain the "home field", keep ISU obviously the inferior program, and work out from there. Sell excitement, innovation, exotics, and unpredictability. Wisconsin, Minny, and Nebraska don't have the shared fan-base.

3- Iowa should not have trouble attracting students. Careers in Health care and Business have been booming. Law should also be a strong suit at SUI. They've let ISU get the upper hand in Engineering however. Iowa's program has little identity to the average citizen. ISU markets better to Iowa High schools too. Word is here in SE Iowa that the UI would rather have the out-of-state tuition$ from Chicago students than from local in-state students. All about the $ versus growing and keeping ISU the less recognizable school. (This may be in part from B of Regents too. I remember ISU complaining of Iowa State patrol cars being black with gold shields on the doors being too much like "Iowa" colors and lobbying to get that changed.)

The U is also cramped for expansion space to accept more students and a bigger population in IC, but there's lots of open space to expand in Ames.

4- This would cure a lot of "ills". Funny how ISU can get a lot of JC kids and kids who are marginal students in, but Iowa can't / won't. Hopefully the new University President can get this changed.

I missed when Pepsi took over the market share lead from Coke. Dominant in Iowa yes, don't think so nationally
 
I missed when Pepsi took over the market share lead from Coke. Dominant in Iowa yes, don't think so nationally
It hasn't. This exact banter takes place in restaurants across the globe thousands of times a day...

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https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/the-coke-vs-pepsi-social-presence-showdown/
 
1- As an example Pepsi did this to Coke years ago and maintains that edge to this day. Began marketing to the younger audience. (Michael Jackson, etc). Pepsi also is positioned to stay there as the high schools sell Pepsi products in their schools lounges, work rooms and concessions while Coke gets the college crowd. But many have established "brand loyalty" by that time. Brand identification and loyalty. It's a proven marketing concept that works.

2- Many large, established companies want to maintain, not continue to grow, and end up losing out to upstarts. You'd think the "Business College" folks in Iowa City would recognize this and work it to their advantage. Hayden understood quite well. Always wanted to maintain the "home field", keep ISU obviously the inferior program, and work out from there. Sell excitement, innovation, exotics, and unpredictability. Wisconsin, Minny, and Nebraska don't have the shared fan-base.

3- Iowa should not have trouble attracting students. Careers in Health care and Business have been booming. Law should also be a strong suit at SUI. They've let ISU get the upper hand in Engineering however. Iowa's program has little identity to the average citizen. ISU markets better to Iowa High schools too. Word is here in SE Iowa that the UI would rather have the out-of-state tuition$ from Chicago students than from local in-state students. All about the $ versus growing and keeping ISU the less recognizable school. (This may be in part from B of Regents too. I remember ISU complaining of Iowa State patrol cars being black with gold shields on the doors being too much like "Iowa" colors and lobbying to get that changed.)

The U is also cramped for expansion space to accept more students and a bigger population in IC, but there's lots of open space to expand in Ames.

4- This would cure a lot of "ills". Funny how ISU can get a lot of JC kids and kids who are marginal students in, but Iowa can't / won't. Hopefully the new University President can get this changed.
So much BS,...so little time.

Illinois high school students who are not accepted at the more expensive and elite Champaign campus end up drunk and disorderly in the cheaper and easier to get on to IC institution.

To think it was a conscious decision to have such a third rate engineering program because "they" let it happen is, well, a compliment to "they". "They" must have known that in no way, shape, or form, an engineering curriculum in IC was worth any effort. It is enough to support a second rate law school.

Prove the "second rate student" comment with facts. Spewing an opinion and trying to disguise it as a fact is a worn out tactic. Deny everything, claim everybody is a liar, and only you know the truth.

You may become the next President.
 
Size of stadium will mean very little. Iowa - low population state, shared fanbase with Iowa, leads to little added TV revenue which hurts ISU anyway you look at it.
Oh, absolutely. The TV thing has been ISU's millstone for decades, ever since it became THE reason for adding a team. In the late '70s/early '80s there was some talk about ISU replacing NW in the Big Ten. That would never be considered now, primarily because of television; ISU would bring zippo to the league.
 
Things have changed when you pay almost $500 a season ticket plus a donation of $500 to $600 per seat to sit along the 40’s. That’s $4400 for my family to go to games and I don’t want to pay that to see ISU, UNI, North Texas, Miami of Ohio, or Northern IL on a consistent basis.

Barta is banking on fans being “satisfied” with the B1G season when they should be working to bring in at least one top non con game to be more relevant year in and year out like Wisconsin. Barry knows what he is doing. Barta, not so much since he is scheduling patsy U to get three victories to help get to a bowl game. Talk about irrelevant and weak schedule issue if Iowa is in play for a play off spot.

I understand this from wanting to see better non-con games, but if Iowa is "in play" for a playoff spot that means we're undefeated and B1G champs. An undefeated B1G Champion will never be left out of the playoff.
 
Oh, absolutely. The TV thing has been ISU's millstone for decades, ever since it became THE reason for adding a team. In the late '70s/early '80s there was some talk about ISU replacing NW in the Big Ten. That would never be considered now, primarily because of television; ISU would bring zippo to the league.

Not being a troll. I never heard the 'replace NW' what were the thoughts and motivations on that? How far did it go? Where was it talked about? Certainly would have changed a lot of things.
 
Your 3rd point is interesting and one that I found to be true in HS and college (while looking for law school). Even though I bleed black and gold and a life long Iowan, I never really felt wanted by Iowa. Seemed like they had bigger fish to fry. Maybe not everyone’s experience but that was mine.
I have heard this more than a few times from parents of prospective students.
 
Barta and the PC patrol began neutering the game day experience about 10 years ago...and the timing could not have been worse. (Imagine that... Barta with bad timing). The lot directly outside the West stands is a shining example.

That was the former U of I president that did that. And Barta cannot control what University Heights police decide to do off campus.
 
Size of stadium will mean very little. Iowa - low population state, shared fanbase with Iowa, leads to little added TV revenue which hurts ISU anyway you look at it.

They can say it is not all they want, but Big 12 is in trouble by about 2022 or 2023. Unless playoff goes to like 12 teams.
 
I don't like to admit it, but ISU has a bold, visionary AD. Pollard consistently pushes the envelope in an effort to move ISU forward. I don't know if ISU will ever overtake Iowa in football seating capacity or not, but I love and admire the fact that he has the balls to lay out a bold vision and then push like hell to make it happen. Where would Iowa State be today without Pollard?

Barta on the other hand? Weak, unimaginative, and unable to create a strategic vision to propel Iowa forward. As Iowa State's athletics dept continues to move forward, Barta is either unaware or unable to do anything to counteract this, so he retreats safely back into his preferred mindset-the status quo.
 
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That was the former U of I president that did that. And Barta cannot control what University Heights police decide to do off campus.

University Heights was surprisingly more lenient on tailgating, open container enforcement. Cross the bridge and Chuck Green and his troopers were on you. Staying away from Marion PD was also recommended.
 
I don’t see this being a terrible goal for them. Why not try to get more capacity.. I think their program is in the right direction with MC. Nothing wrong with goals. I think it only helps the rivalry when they aren’t dog shit. Especially if we have to play them, I want them to be decent. Still hate iowa state and their fans.

I agree. ISU's AD is anticipating a growing interest and growing fanbase, so an expansion of their stadium would seem to reflect this. Barta is apparently anticipating a reduction in both of these areas.
 
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I agree. ISU's AD is anticipating a growing interest and growing fanbase, so an expansion of their stadium would seem to reflect this. Barta is apparently anticipating a reduction in both of these areas.

Grand scheme of things Pollard is a crappy AD as well and just barely above Barta. About only one worse lately have been at Baylor, Michigan st and Nebraska.
 
Grand scheme of things Pollard is a crappy AD as well and just barely above Barta. About only one worse lately have been at Baylor, Michigan st and Nebraska.

Speak for Barta only please. An overwhelming majority of ISU fans are plenty happy with Pollard unlike "stay with the status quo" Barta.
 
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