Just a couple conference championships, 5 top 10 finishes, dozens of drafted players and a few NY6-level bowl games and Campbell will be neck-and-neck with Ferentz!
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Just a couple conference championships, 5 top 10 finishes, dozens of drafted players and a few NY6-level bowl games and Campbell will be neck-and-neck with Ferentz!
One season does not make a Coach. Coach Ferentz did not have the unenviable task of turning around one of the worst programs in college football history. Coach Ferentz did not have to change the loser fan mentality the way it must be done in clownville. There is a big difference here.
Not saying Campbell will ever equal the accomplishments of Ferentz. Only reason I brought him up was in defense of poster acting like Campbell isn't winning because he has an overall losing record in 2 seasons. Gimme a break. It took Ferentz a 3rd season to get a winning record.
All the more reason you should be impressed by 8-5 in season #2 for Campbell. Didn't Ferentz only get 3 wins in season #2 after taking over for the legendary Fry and inheriting an incredible fan base and a perennial top 25 program?
Ah, but at what price? We probably would not have expected a christian based school to be involved in one of the biggest criminal sex scandals in NCAA history either. It will be interesting to see just how far Pollard is willing to go in his dogged pursuit to level the playing field with Iowa.
I'm always confused when people make statements like this. How is ISU going to continue to narrow the gap, because of something this poster said? I mean I get your original argument, and it seems logical that ISU would move closer to Iowa, as they basically had to move up if they were even going to attempt to survive. There's no need to tack on some ridiculous statement to try to win the argument in your own mind.
Very well said! I would add that Jamie Pollard and the administration at ISU are far superior to Iowa with respect to being responsive to the concerns expressed by their fanbase. I get the impression that Pollard works his butt off to build his fanbase, improve the gameday experience, etc in response to those who consume the ISU product. At Iowa, the attitude seems to be one of complacency coupled with the expectation that the fan base will always be there no matter what.
Don’t get it. Time will tell. If by “incredible” you mean extremely knowledgeable, attractive and full of integrity, then I can agree with part of your post. If Campbell is still there after 20 years, then a better comparison will be available. But I give him 5 years tops. Either he is successful enough to get a decent job, or he bombs like most coaches up in lames.
Well for one, you are not going to find many teams that will come into Kinnick and play. everyone wants the home game and those with the power aren't going to agree to it. Would you be that much more excited to see Iowa play say a Colorado in Kinnick than you would an ISU? I'd rather see them play ISU. Lot more exciting game. And no power 5s on this planet are playing 11 other power 5 teams in reg season. No one is doing it and Iowa is not going to be an exception.
So why you still have your tickets if you have been not satisfied for so long? Schedule is not changing for long time so you know what you are going to get, so why stick around?
Maybe UH police lenient around game times, but I have heard not so much at any other time of day / year. It may have been 6 or 7 years ago but they were on a kick of busting for open container (walking with) on Melrose. They may have backed off on that quite a bit.
Bigger stadiums is not the answer in 2018. If you are filling the stadium regularly, raise prices. If you have thousands of empty seats, you'll wish the stadium wasn't so dam big.
This happened for a few games in 2010 when sally mason wanted to crack down on open containers cause melorse was like a dump after games. As long as you don’t carry on the street or bring attention things are normal as always.
Couple things here:
Iowa State has basically decided that total enrollment is more important than their academic reputation, which has tanked badly in recent years. They function as more of a diploma mill than a university these days. The school is struggling financially as well and really it can't handle the students it does have. The student experience there is taking a huge hit - in some classrooms there aren't enough desks for the students enrolled in class and the student to teacher ratio in classes has ballooned.
In addition, If you want cheap tickets at ISU football games, consider that regular folks can sit in the student section, which extends into areas of the stadium which other schools sell at a premium. It's not hard to get these tickets - I have personally taken advantage.
I think some people on this board think that there is some sort of demographic destiny for Des Moines and Iowa State. Keep in mind, Iowa City is less than 2 hours away from Des Moines and the Iowa City/Coralville/North Liberty, and Cedar Rapids/Marion DMA's are very close and also growing prodigiously. Iowa's population growth and population center continues to be on the East side of the state. Iowa, not ISU, is in the better position long term in this regard.
Iowa State has basically decided that total enrollment is more important than their academic reputation, which has tanked badly in recent years. They function as more of a diploma mill than a university these days. The school is struggling financially as well and really it can't handle the students it does have. The student experience there is taking a huge hit - in some classrooms there aren't enough desks for the students enrolled in class and the student to teacher ratio in classes has ballooned.
In addition, If you want cheap tickets at ISU football games, consider that regular folks can sit in the student section, which extends into areas of the stadium which other schools sell at a premium. It's not hard to get these tickets - I have personally taken advantage.
I think some people on this board think that there is some sort of demographic destiny for Des Moines and Iowa State. Keep in mind, Iowa City is less than 2 hours away from Des Moines and the Iowa City/Coralville/North Liberty, and Cedar Rapids/Marion DMA's are very close and also growing prodigiously. Iowa's population growth and population center continues to be on the East side of the state. Iowa, not ISU, is in the better position long term in this regard.
The other 358 days of the year not at all. The open container attack on Melrose was when you crossed the bridge out of UH.
CMC is one game behind CPR at this stage in their time at ISU
Paula Rhoads had 7 wins and a bowl win in his first season and clown fans said see how awesome he is. This savior will end up like all the others. If he really is awesome he will jump at the first chance or what is more likely is that he won’t overcome isu history and he will also be fired.
One of my favorites is how clown fans claim Matty boy is so much better of a in-game coach than Paula was and then Matty boy finds a way to lose to K-State via poor coaching.
“isu football.....the more things change the more they stay the same.” Billboard for Pollard perhaps?
In regards to Rhoads one thing people tended to always overlook was his contract cause of Ferentz’s. Yes 10 year deal too long but let us not forget isu signed Rhoads to a 10 year extension over $2 million a year after his big upset of Oklahoma st and he did nothing after it and got a nice little payout afternoon being fired.
Yes let's compare your dorky ass coach who's accomplished squat to a future HOFer.
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Good post Hawkfever. Many fans do not know of or forget this point. P5 teams are very reluctant to play a home and home on any consistent basis. Most all want 7 home games. Mid and lower D1 teams want and need the revenue of playing at a P5. The model is set
This is very much true. My neighbor's daughter is going there currently, and she told us over Christmas how her classes are completely packed. If she wants a seat, she has to get to class early.
And Kinnick can be (emphasis on "can be") a hornets nest for a top team coming in. A big time power 5 team doesn't need the money or the headache.
Funny thing is all of these points could have been made back in 2000 or 2001, so I'd just say let us wait and see. They thought they had it with McCarney and then with Rhoads and Chizik and now with Campbell, so history says we can be a bit skeptical for a while. Barta is doing with the stadium and pricing what pretty much every other AD is doing. TV revenue is dominating ticket revenue and the disparity will continue to grow. Have you watched many NFL games lately? It always seems like the seats are half full at any point in the game. It's like where are all the people? and it's not just the kneeling thing.
That was every class i went to decades ago. How is this new? They tell every kid they have to get a 4 year degree to amount to anything today, and they must pay the ever increasing price tag for it.
Watch video of the ISU / Kansas game last season and look at the stands. Pathetic attendance after just having knocked off the Sooners in Oklahoma.
I was at the game so don’t need to watch the video. Weather was rainy all weekend long and there were still over 50k there. Again Iowa fans have no room to talk about attendance when a team is not consistently winning. Been to Carver Hawkeye lately?
He also played 4 noncon games that year and missed the big boys and that was his best season with someone else's players.
The US News and World Report rating is basically unchanged from the last 20 years.
congratulations. You almost had a sellout. Average attendance for the season (14 home games) is 12,071 at Carver for your 15,400 seat arena. Averaging over 3,000 empty seats. ISU has averaged 14,116 at Hilton for the season (14 home games as well) for their 14,400 seat arena.
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-baskbl/mbb-confldrs.html
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/mbasketball/18MBBStats.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410
Is 15,200 more or less than 14,116? At least give us the worn out clown fan argument on % of capacity.
And always way behind big bro Iowa. You would have thought that with the boost in enrollment isu would have better rankings. Guess not.
Is 14,116 more or less than 12,071? I guess I'd rather take a sample size of 14 vs 1 when I come to a conclusion. But hey if you want to look at your best attended game of the season and beat your chest and say that Carver Hawkeye is always near a sellout, more power to you.
You asked if we had seen Carver lately and sure enough more attendance than in lames. Hey send your attendance info to Pollard he is always looking for something to put on a billboard with his little bro syndrome. He might like what you have.
While Iowa State has outdrawn Iowa in terms of enrollment in recent years, it hasn't been for the better. I went to high school in the Des Moines-Ames area and not one person in my class who applied into Iowa State got denied, some had a way lower GPA than me (2.7 for reference). I chose Iowa because:
A. The programs I'm interested in were miles ahead of what Iowa State and UNI have.
B. I always felt right at home in Iowa City.
C. I've wanted to be Hawkeye since I was five years old.
(Also the fact I grew up in Cyclone family excluding my dad, who is a lifelong Hawkeye, pushed me away from Iowa State)
A. The programs I'm interested in were miles ahead of what Iowa State and UNI have.
B. I always felt right at home in Iowa City.
C. I've wanted to be Hawkeye since I was five years old.
(Also the fact I grew up in Cyclone family excluding my dad, who is a lifelong Hawkeye, pushed me away from Iowa State)
Graduated from Iowa in 2000, don't ever remember fighting for a seat, even in my largest classes of 1,200-1,500.
One thing is for certain; Iowa City is in a different league than Ames as far as college towns.
You said this earlier "Again Iowa fans have no room to talk about attendance when a team is not consistently winning. Been to Carver Hawkeye lately?". He proved that we just had 15,200 at our latest game despite losing over and over and over. Iowa's earlier games on the year had poor attendance because of the opponent. I was at the Bama St and Southern games, just awful attendance. Our OOC slate was one of the worst I can remember in some time. ISU fans are definitely better about going to games and cheering though.
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