I see that Brent is now in Ames. How can Tom let that happen??????? I would take Brent over every assistant on our staff. He is a world class wrestler, great man for the younger guys to look up to and he has the name that young guys recognize. Terry should move over to coach the HWC full time and M* should move on to his own program. A staff of Tom, Brent, McD and a Borschel would be perfect. Those are some of the most successful recent guys and Telford is at the HWC so he could roll with our heavies.. If we lose McD I will have a melt down.
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Well, we keep saying the wrestling world needs a competitive ISU. This is how it starts.
Not when it involves taking our most talented recent wrestlers and we get stuck with M* and Berhow. This is how we get passed by the likes of ISU. If I were a high school middleweight and had to choose between Metcalf and M* as my weight coach it wouldn't be a close decision.
What if you had to choose between Dresser, Zadick, and Metcalf vs Tom, Terry, and Morningstar? You act like it's assistant vs assistant but in reality the really good recruits are going to look at the staff as a whole.
Disagree. Name value alone gives Metcalf a boost Morningstar can't hang with. And Metcalf has become very well-liked within the community. He'd be a goldmine for us, on top of being one of the best we've ever produced.
So you want a guy with no college coaching experience to replace Terry Brands? That's crazy! It is too bad Metcalf left. Why not let him get his feet wet in Ames though? Maybe he's not going to be a great coach? We don't know right now. Just because he was a great wrestler doesn't mean he'll be a great coach. Look at Kevin Jackson...
If you are a 25-41 I would choose Iowa. Metcalf is far above M*, if you don't understand that I got nothing for ya. Dresser has proven to be a great coach, this is going to hurt us more than most of us think.
Terry would still be the HWC coach, he would still be rolling with these guys daily.
Again you are acting like it's Metcalf vs Morningstar. Spencer Lee's #1 and #2 reasons for committing to Iowa was Terry and Tom respectively. If you can't understand that Tom and Terry alone still mean something to the 17 and 18 year old kids in the country I got nothing for ya.
Could be. My theory has been that there has been some sort of falling out between the two. It happens, a la Schwab. It sucks to lose Metcalf, man. I'm with you on that. I don't know if Tom sh@t the bed, though. Maybe Brent didn't want to be here.
Jay, I don't know you so I will assume you are at least an avid fan. Do you know who Spencer sat with at WTT just before he committed? He is smart enough to know that he will roll with Terry but also the best 25 pounder in the last 10 years.Terry will be a guy he wrestles with daily but so will McD. Tom and Terry wouldn't be going anywhere, Terry would just move to the HWC to make room for some new blood that is badly needed.
Because it wasn't offered to him. Do you really think he wants to be a Cyclone?
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I have no idea what he wants. But he's a volunteer assistant there. Do you think he deserves a paid position right out of the gate at a program like Iowa? No he should go earn it. Maybe HWC was an option but I don't know.
BTW, with all this talk of Metcalf's lack of experience, M* had exactly one season of coaching experience before being hired at Iowa. One. Uno. At Wisconsin.
He would say I get to work out with Kemmerer, Sorensen and Marinelli.
When guys would leave coach Gables staff to coach elsewhere who did he hire? The new young studs that recently graduated. Brent should be a Hawk coach, period. The guy gave up a year of college elegibility to wrestle for us, he is IOWA WRESTLING!
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Or maybe he'd say, I could work out with Metcalf and DSJ at ISU.
Or David Taylor at PSU.
Or Dake at Cornell.
Just playing Devil's advocate a bit. I can't believe Iowa let Metcalf end up at ISU, and as a volunteer assistant at that.
Maybe, but it seemed to go ok at Virginia Tech w/ Zadick, Robie and St. John.
Exactly..... Next they'll say he is a good recruiter. Metcalfs name is known 100 times better than M*'s. I have no doubt that he could recruit just as well.
As I understand it Morningstar is our primary recruiter. He's been doing pretty well. At this time I wouldn't trade him for metcalf. I love me some metcalf, but his mindset is the same as Tom and terry. I think Morningstar brings something else to the table and I appreciate that. Still wish metcalf was on iowa's staff though, just not at the expense of Morningstar.
So who do they get rid of to keep Metcalf? Sounds like ISU came up with a lot of money so $$$ is not equal here. Pretty risky to wave goodbye to M* who by all accounts is a good recruiter. Assuming he can make as much being volunteer here as ISU is giving him you maybe replace Berhow but then you have no upper weight coach. You are complaining about it but have given no slam dunk scenario for getting him on staff.
I would take that risk and get rid of M* if forced, but I would choose Berhow. JMO. As I pointed out somewhere, we don't NEED to have big guy coach. I think Metcalf would be an upgrade over Ryan, I really do. And he's not a Tom/Terry clone (no pun intended) anymore. He's developed into a more light-hearted guy since getting into Freestyle.
The problem i see is that Iowa puts out a lot of great wrestlers and they cant all come back to paid positions. There is just not room. Clark, Sorensen, Lee, Kemmerer, Gilman cannot all come back at the same time. When you have good teams like 2008-2010 there is just not room for everybody. They will leave for jobs just like the majority of the greats that came through the Gable era. How many guys went elsewhere. Dresser, Davis and Ryan are 3 and there seems to be a little bad blood They are all in with their programs as should be. Gable left ISU and is all Hawk now. This is nothing new just the bad part of a great wresting dynasty.
Where do they put him to keep him? Berhow is like for like spot but sounds like not like for like pay and not like for like weight coverage. Also that is assuming Metcalf wanted to be on staff.
Nobody has a clue how Metcalf will be as a recruiter, or that will even be a primary job for him. Recruiting takes a lot of time and dedication away from home. Brent has a young family, does he want to spend 2 weeks on the east coast? Who knows. What I do know is he was a great Hawk, will always be a great Hawk and now he is forging his own path. Maybe his desires in coaching didn't match up with what Iowa needed. When ISU starts beating us out for top flight recruits that want to wrestle with Brent and not for Iowa, then I'll worry.
As volunteer assistant, he isn't allowed to recruit off campus.
Count me as one who would much rather see Metcalf at Iowa than at ISU but I'm not sure who I would have swapped him out for. Maybe Berhow. Leaves us open in the upper weights, but maybe. Most other theories set forth here are silly. Terry should just "move" to the HWC? Yeah...hey, Terry...take a massive pay cut. No problem, right?
The same thing Alex Marinelli and Kaleb Young say
And he got Laux and Koethe who were top 150 guys to follow him there. With practically little time spent with them he had Iowans following him to Wisconsin. Wisconsin!
I'd say that Morningstar is pretty valuable when it comes to recruiting. Careful what you wish for.
Everyone wants to give Morningstar credit for the last 2 good recruiting classes. They were good, no doubt. But doesn't he get some of the blame for the poor classes prior to that?
I would say firing people to make room for the next rising star is bad policy. Do we later fire Metcalf for McDounough, Clark, Kemmerer, or Spencer Lee? It would be great to keep them all but we cant.
Paid by the university to coach? Or does the pay come from running camps or other work? Who is Iowas current volunteer assistant? I wasn't sure how that worked.
