Iowa is a 3.5 point favorite over isu
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ISU should be favored. I don’t understand this line. I suspect it will move their way as the week goes on.
I think they are the better team. They have weapons on offense and can score a lot of points. Their offense is 2x better than Iowa’s.
While I believe Iowa’s defense is better, we really don’t know how good the secondary is....or if the LB’s can cover the pass. We’ll find out Saturday.
Plus....it won’t matter how good the defense is if they are on the field all game because the offense can’t put drives together.
83Hawk bailing on the team...an annual fall tradition...
Their offense is 2x better? Based on what? Their QB that couldn't start at a JC? Yes, they have Montgomery but he isn't going to dominate the game. They have Butler. He is tall. Oh boy. Besides Butler and Montgomery, which of your offensive players would start for Iowa? Dear Lord, one 8-5 season and you pathetic losers spooge over everything.
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really hard to justify isu winning in my mind without the warm up game. even if we had lost we would be better off. im takin the hawks, isu needs to focus on oklahoma they are a better matchup in terms of playing style. really hoping no injuries. where those tavern hawks to get this line up to -10.
Obviously just a number.....but are you saying our passing game is better than theirs? Our WR’s are better? They don’t have an exceptional RB? Their QB is significantly inferior?
As for CJ saying I “bailed” on the team....just because I don’t pick them to win every game doesn’t mean I bailed on them. I choose to view things in a more realistic light. My season prediction was 7-5. I stand by that unless and until the team proves otherwise. The offense in the first half was pathetic....you telling me it wasn’t? The passing game was atrocious. Care to prove to me otherwise?
I do think Iowa has the superior defense. Again....that won’t mean much if they have to be on the field all game because the offense can’t move the ball.
Saturday we will find out what this team is made of. Right now I believe ISU is better.
Huh? Kempt started his first game at Oklahoma. Just ten minutes into the game, Oklahoma was up 14-0. Kempt stayed calm and cool and Iowa State won. Not saying Iowa State is the better team. Just giving credit where it's due.
I think it will be an excellent game, but the atmosphere of Kinnick with a 4 p.m. start only helps the Hawks. It’s still early in the week, but I got the Hawks covering this one.
One 8-5 season???? You do realize in Kirk’s 19 full seasons at Iowa, he has finished 8-5 or worse 13 times? Which is the majority of the time. And he hasn’t exactly dominated ISU.
Look....I get it. Some of you can’t fathom the fact that ISU could possibly have a better offense...or that they could ever beat the Hawks. Personally, I can’t either. But things don’t always turn out like we want. I based my opinion (yeah.....OPINION....which is every bit as valid as YOURS) based on last year, what each team has this year, trends, and what I’ve seen so far. That can change after Saturday. We’ll find out. But if you are wrong, I doubt you will admit it. I’m sure you will have a good excuse.
He also had far more WRs to work with last season. Furthermore, that was a little later in the season ... after the team was completely pissed after losing to a Texas team that they knew they could have defeated.
No offense to my fellow Iowa fans ... but we really don't have an idea of what our O is capable of yet. We got a sampling that our running game potentially has some teeth. A lot of folks questioned that because out of fear concerning perceived weaknesses on the OL (even along the interior of the OL).
Much of our passing game is intact from last year ... so we have to ask ourselves whether the passing game we saw against NIU was representative of what they're capable of doing. While TJ Hockenson is the only guy who came out of the gate like we would have expected ... the rest of them, including Stanley and Fant, not so much. I hope the players are pissed at their execution. I hope that they take pride in what they do and put in all the extra work to improve and fix their mistakes. If they do ... maybe we see the passing game we saw against OSU more than the passing game we saw against Wisconsin.
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i wont i cant stand big brother NOT coming to the funeral if big brother goes first. ill be gone by friday.
As for my own predictions about the game ... my guess is that Iowa does a better job of taking away the big-play against ISU. Thus, I expect ISU has fewer long TD passes (compared to last year).
Frankly, my bigger fear is Montgomery running wild against the Hawks. Our run D didn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence based on what we saw against NIU.
I expect ISU to implement a high-percentage passing game against us mixed in with a good running game ... and, not unlike the Hawks, they'll try to go for some chunk plays against us too. Given the experience of our safeties ... as I mentioned before, I'm hoping/anticipating that it will be harder for them to be successful with their "chunk" plays.
Who wins? I don't know ... a lot will depend on the Hawks continuing to improve from game 1 to game 2.
Frankly, my bigger fear is Montgomery running wild against the Hawks. Our run D didn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence based on what we saw against NIU.
I expect ISU to implement a high-percentage passing game against us mixed in with a good running game ... and, not unlike the Hawks, they'll try to go for some chunk plays against us too. Given the experience of our safeties ... as I mentioned before, I'm hoping/anticipating that it will be harder for them to be successful with their "chunk" plays.
Who wins? I don't know ... a lot will depend on the Hawks continuing to improve from game 1 to game 2.
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oops responded to the wrong post meant to respond to the 'will the cyclone trolls be here sunday'
Consider me nervous that we're only a field goal favorite when Iowa State hasn't even played a tune-up game yet. This is a huge advantage for us; let just get a W and run.
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agreed hoping for no injuries if we can get past oklahoma were doing fine. that will be our game 2 so we should be warmed up by then.
Any impressions by folks (Iowa and ISU fans alike) about whether ISU's lack of playing a game 1 will impact the game this Saturday?
It's true that Iowa will not have current film on the Cyclones. Of course, upon rewatching the NIU game - Iowa didn't exactly show ISU anything (at least, not anything that they didn't want ISU to see).
However, one of the old adages is that a team often demonstrates some of the greatest improvement from game 1 to game 2. Thus, Iowa could benefit from that ... whereas, for ISU, not so much!
Both teams get players back from suspension ... but which team will that benefit more? Again, I'd figure that game 1 allowed the Hawks to potentially bring along their OL and DL depth a little more. ISU simply didn't see enough reps against SDSU to benefit one way or the other.
Of course, the benefit of not playing is also that you're not placed in a position to get injured either. Against NIU, we saw IKM go down to an ankle injury ... how bad it is in anybody's guess. Other than that ... it appeared that the Hawks were thankfully able to remain pretty healthy. ISU, obviously, will be entering the Iowa game at optimal health.
What say you?
It's true that Iowa will not have current film on the Cyclones. Of course, upon rewatching the NIU game - Iowa didn't exactly show ISU anything (at least, not anything that they didn't want ISU to see).
However, one of the old adages is that a team often demonstrates some of the greatest improvement from game 1 to game 2. Thus, Iowa could benefit from that ... whereas, for ISU, not so much!
Both teams get players back from suspension ... but which team will that benefit more? Again, I'd figure that game 1 allowed the Hawks to potentially bring along their OL and DL depth a little more. ISU simply didn't see enough reps against SDSU to benefit one way or the other.
Of course, the benefit of not playing is also that you're not placed in a position to get injured either. Against NIU, we saw IKM go down to an ankle injury ... how bad it is in anybody's guess. Other than that ... it appeared that the Hawks were thankfully able to remain pretty healthy. ISU, obviously, will be entering the Iowa game at optimal health.
What say you?
Please point out where I predicted ISU will win. I said I think they are the better team. I made no prediction on who would win.
For the record, Ohio State had a better team than Iowa last year. Who won? Michigan had the better team in 2016. Who won that one? I called the upset in that game BTW.
How many times has Iowa had the better team over ISU over the past 20 years....and lost?
The “best” team doesn’t always win. Am I predicting a Hawk win Saturday. No. I am not making a prediction.
This game is going to come down to line play. Iowa state will come out early and get an early lead but Iowa will wear them down. Iowa will also struggle early due to the coaches insistence to playing three young linebackers instead of getting stone or Brent’s into a nickel package. Our ol an dL are better than anything they will see the rest of the year. Iowa state will need big plays and defensive breakdowns like last year to have a chance
With all the talk of missing the starting OTs, I’m surprised that nothing’s been said of missing Lattimore, the starting DT. He’s the only other 300lb body (than M Nelson) in that DT rotation. That might make a difference in up the middle runs, about the only place the D was semi-questionable vs NI. If that gets firmed up, everything else on that D just gets more formidable.
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If Iowa wins by one I'll be happy and move on. But I expect the Hawks will prevail by 10+.
My final take away is that they were pretty conservative in the passing game vs NIU by design. The coaches have all said that WR play is far ahead of last year so I am going with that. I expect Stanley is more efficient and accurate and they have some success downfield.
My prediction was 0-12. Based on what Iowa showed Saturday I am wiling to bump that to 1-11 now.
You do realize kf is 10-9 against the clowns...right? It is highly likely there will be high drama on Saturday. That on based on history and fact..not feelings or hyperbole
Huh? We're a FG favorite, at home. What about that spread tells you Vegas thinks Iowa is better. It would be a pick-em (at best) on a neutral field considering we are getting 3-5 points for Kinnick.
Given these two statements, I’ll call you out if you try the old “I told you so” routine, should Iowa lose. I’m just saying, if you’re not making a prediction, then you can’t come back later...
I happen to agree with your sentiments though - I’ve said all off season Montgomery will be the best RB on the field and ISU will take advantage of the Iowa stubbornness with regards to LBs covering WRs, allowing short passes all day, and knowing they can put 9 in the box and stuff Iowa’s running game.
I also agree that Iowa has lost many times to a lesser team, both in this series and overall. It could happen Saturday. I don’t know what the weather will be but that could cause further issues.
That said, I will predict that Iowa wins. Probably closer than we want, but about 24-20.
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