He will be fine regardless of his HS schedule. No need to worry about his development as he will compete against great players in the summer, as you mentioned. Lots of schools already sniffing around so it won't be just an Iowa-ISU battle. If he truly favors Iowa they will have to fend off numerous suitors.
Iowa offers 2020 6'10" Xavier Foster of Oskaloosa
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yep lots of schools' came sniffing for Wieskamp as well....there was no Iowa-ISU battle with him & I'm suspecting there will not be with Foster either.
It will be interesting to watch. I have no doubt that Iowa is the current leader. Did hear a rumor that he's goin to Hilton Madness but haven't confirmed.
Hey Tom Kakert don't the rules rules of the forum about name calling etc. apply to The "Legend?
Who should ISU have recruited that they didn't? Who should they be recruiting that they aren't?
you would have to ask ISU... the better question might be why any D1 school would not recruit D1 talent that is right in their own back yard & home state. Now it could very well be that they have tried but have been obviously unsuccessful. We could review the past years of Iowa's & UNI's rosters' & certainly there are a number of very good players from the state of Iowa.
It could be Prohm may change the trend of the last 10 years (being in only his 2nd year)...time will tell.
Foster will be in Ames tomorrow and ISU visited an Iowa prospect yesterday. It looks like he's taking your advice.
That is terrific. Will be interesting to see how many of the in state recruits that end up being Cyclones. Who did they visit yesterday?
I'm assuming they take the recruits straight to the city water plant and show the wall of awards it has won?
What about all those McD's All Americans from Iowa that Alford missed out on during his time at Iowa. Whose fault is that?
Well if it's so easy, tell me who they should have recruited. I assume you know Iowa's rosters good enough to say.
Huge new article in Hawkcentral about Foster.
McCaffery was heard to remark that he's "never seen anybody like (Foster)." The Hawkeyes offered that evening.
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...foster-grabbing-division--attention/91944668/
McCaffery was heard to remark that he's "never seen anybody like (Foster)." The Hawkeyes offered that evening.
http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...foster-grabbing-division--attention/91944668/
I noticed that, too. Bru was quite alright as a player. Loved the Bru. I also told him to get out of the way when I was trying to get a pic of Dr Tom at the Chris Street golf outing.
Noticed that as well. Not really sure what he was going for there. Maybe using him as a "really good college player" as opposed to a future NBA guy.
please do tell...where do you see I said easy? Apparently its not for ISU. I assume by "should have recruited" you mean offers. If you do I believe Rivals BB Recruiting tab (offers) can help you.
Let me just say then that I'm completely fine with everyone ISU has offered and recruited from the state of Iowa for the last 6 or 7 years. I will say I think Weiskamp is going to be awesome, but he's a longtime legit Hawk fan so I wouldn't blame anybody at ISU for not getting him.
Not an Iowa State fan (but my wife is, so I do follow them quite a bit), and looking back, I'm not sure who Cyclone fans can really say they should have recruited but didn't from the state of Iowa. Maybe Seth Tuttle? I believe ISU wanted him to walk on. But even that is difficult with Royce White and then Niang playing (more or less) the same role. I also think Jeremy Morgan is pretty good at UNI, but he probably wouldn't have been a starter at ISU in any year. Jok would obviously be a good player at ISU, but the Lefty Moore allegations meant that they had to stop recruiting him. Woodbury also would have had a role on the Cyclones (as much as their fans wouldn't like to believe it), but was offered. The Cyclones also offered Uthoff (for sure when he was transferring from Wisconsin, I'm unsure whether they did out of high school or not).
Perhaps you could make an argument that ISU should have recruited some players like Wieskamp, Kriener, et al. harder (whatever that means), but I think those kids were strong Iowa leans from the very beginning, so who knows how much ISU recruiting them "harder" could have swayed them. And they still haven't played a minute of college basketball. Obviously they have no chance with the McCaffery kids. I do know that Prohm seems to be in on a couple of Iowa kids for the future. Foster, obviously, as well as A.J. Green (who I still think goes to UNI), as well as Tyreke Locure at D.M. North (probably still a little early to tell if he's a high-D1 prospect). I think it's safe to say that they will offer anyone from Iowa that they believe is a high D1 player and will recruit them hard, if they believe they have a legitimate chance at landing them. They did sign Brady Ernst, who was probably a bit of a desperation move, and he obviously didn't work out. There's really no evidence that they are "avoiding" the state of Iowa or anything like that.
Lefty Moore was a former player for the Cyclones in the 80s who returned to be a student assistant coach (he had come back to get his Bachelor's) under Hoiberg. IIRC, he was also something of a mentor to Jok. Moore was not allowed to recruit because he wasn't a "full" assistant coach. Long story short, Hoiberg/ISU found out that Moore was improperly contacting/talking with Jok. ISU self-reported the infractions, fired Moore, and voluntarily stopped recruiting Jok and (I think) Kale Abrahamson. Others may be able to fill in more details, but that's what I remember from a few years ago.
I posted an article on page two of this thread that outlines the history of that situation with Lefty Moore.
I honestly don't understand the fixation some Hawk fans here have for counting how many Iowans are playing for ISU. As a couple of people have pointed out, ISU has recruited virtually all the top high school talents. If Hawk fans want to blow about this, what they should be doing is talking about how Iowa beat ISU for some of these kids.
ISU offered Gesell and went after Uthoff twice, out of high school and when he transferred. They were recruiting Jok heavily until the Lefty Moore thing happened. I don't think they offered Woodbury, but they might have; he wasn't the kind of player that would obviously fit into what they were doing, and IIRC, he made it pretty clear early that he was a Hawk fan. Neither ISU nor Iowa offered Doug McDermott, for crying out loud. Going back further, Kirk Hinrich committed to ISU, but reneged on it when Tim Floyd left.
Did ISU offer Fran's kids? Uh, I kinda doubt it, but you never know.
ISU offered Gesell and went after Uthoff twice, out of high school and when he transferred. They were recruiting Jok heavily until the Lefty Moore thing happened. I don't think they offered Woodbury, but they might have; he wasn't the kind of player that would obviously fit into what they were doing, and IIRC, he made it pretty clear early that he was a Hawk fan. Neither ISU nor Iowa offered Doug McDermott, for crying out loud. Going back further, Kirk Hinrich committed to ISU, but reneged on it when Tim Floyd left.
Did ISU offer Fran's kids? Uh, I kinda doubt it, but you never know.
you do realize this site says "Hawkeye" Report....yet you don't understand "fixation by some Hawk fans"? You could also stop posting on HR and go post with your Cyclone brothers if it bothers you.
If you want to deal with offers...go ahead. I deal with actual signings...FACT...ISU has signed "2"...that's 2 Iowa high school kids over the last 10 years...that to me shows ISU has not been very affective recruiting in state kids. Does that mean ISU was not successful under Hoiberg...of course not...McDermott not as much.
IMO...what this means to me is Iowa is in better shape when it comes to recruiting in state kids.
Iowa has lost out of state recruits to ISU...so what? ISU has lost out of state recruits to IOWA...I don't think Iowa has lost an instate recruit to ISU.
Obviously that doesn't bother you...I get that. I like playing the field with both instate & out...it would be pretty stupid not to ..especially when the next All_B1G player surfaces in Iowa.
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^^^^ Great post. Would just like to point out that at Iowa some fans freak out at "misses" and instate kids going elsewhere. It seems at Iowa State offering but not getting commits from instate guys is a badge of honor. 
I'd like to offer Iowa State some kind of participation medal. And as to success, no one has argued that Hoiberg didn't do very well. The point is, he's gone, his recruiting network is gone, and it appears McCaffery has instate recruiting AND possibly fandom among Iowa youth, wrapped up.
I'd like to offer Iowa State some kind of participation medal. And as to success, no one has argued that Hoiberg didn't do very well. The point is, he's gone, his recruiting network is gone, and it appears McCaffery has instate recruiting AND possibly fandom among Iowa youth, wrapped up.
The only thing that bothers me is missing out on great players. There are a variety of really good reasons why ISU has only had 2 Iowa kids in the last 10 years. The good players from the state have preferred Iowa or other schools.
I think it's extremely difficult to recruit kids that are fans of the other in state school. I don't think anybody blames Iowa for not getting Lazard for example. It appears that guys like Wieskamp are that kind of fan of Iowa.
With all due respect to guys like McCabe, Eric May, and guys of that level those aren't the guys that get ISU to the level fans hope for or expect. Iowa produced a lot of those guys in the last 10 years. Losing on the guys like Uthoff, Weiskamp, Marcus Paige, etc hurt. However, if you have to recruit every McCabe that comes along to get those guys I don't want to do it.
I think it's extremely difficult to recruit kids that are fans of the other in state school. I don't think anybody blames Iowa for not getting Lazard for example. It appears that guys like Wieskamp are that kind of fan of Iowa.
With all due respect to guys like McCabe, Eric May, and guys of that level those aren't the guys that get ISU to the level fans hope for or expect. Iowa produced a lot of those guys in the last 10 years. Losing on the guys like Uthoff, Weiskamp, Marcus Paige, etc hurt. However, if you have to recruit every McCabe that comes along to get those guys I don't want to do it.
1. I am not the poster who introduced ISU into this thread.
2. I am not bothered by the fixation. It just strikes me as odd.
3. Yes, ISU has not been very effective recruiting in state kids the past decade and Iowa is in better shape vis-a-vis recruiting Iowa kids -- which is exactly what I said you guys should be touting, not how few actually are contributing.
4. A number of the Iowa kids not offered by ISU who played for Iowa during that period would not have played for ISU.
and there it is ... Iowa kids that Iowa signs are either not good enough to play at ISU or they were Iowa fans all along...
you don't think you have recruited out of state kids in the same talent level of a "McCabe" or "May"... give it a break. You had 5 years of Hoiberg...he left you.
You don't think Iowa has recruited & signed All-Big 10 players from the state of Iowa?
Please do... tell me....who was the last All-Big 12 Cyclone from the state of Iowa?
Ya you've made it perfectly clear what an Iowa State fan thinks of in state kids.
Yep... just like of a number of out of state kids you signed did not play for you either...what a horse shit attitude toward Iowa high school players.
I think its odd IowaState cant find but a few Iowa kids to contribute to their program...but like you said you just don't believe they are good enough.
I'm not touting anyone...in state or out...not every player from instate will end up being All-B1G (IE, Uthoff, Jok)... neither will out of state.
It's not that I don't care about Iowa high school players. I don't care about where high school players come from at all. I haven't seen an Iowa high school basketball game since I was in high school, which is becoming longer and longer in the rear view mirror.
I don't feel any special attachment to players based on where they are from. Niang is my favorite ISU basketball player ever, and he's basically a Boston guy. Curtis Stinson was probably my favorite prior to that, and he was a straight up New Yorker.
What did I say that wasn't true? Listen, you can couch it any way you want, but ISU didn't "miss" on McCabe or Eric May. They did "miss" on Uthoff, Jok, Weiskamp, etc. However, how much time does it make sense for ISU to recruit guys like Gatens, Woodbury, Weiskamp, et all. Zero. They aren't going to ISU at all.
Since the formation of the Big 12 in 1996, there has been exactly 1 Iowan on an all big 12 team, Jared Homan.
Iowa has had several - Brunner, Haluska, Bowen, Gatens, Oliver, Horner, Uthoff, Jok. I'd love to have any of those guys. I'm against recruiting guys who can't contribute no matter where they are from, or recruiting guys you have no chance to get wherever they are from. If you disagree with that stance, I'd be curious as to hear why.
^^^^^ Actually Bryce does a good job of making sense here. He, like ISU, doesn't care where their payers come from. Please take note persons involved in Barnstormers and Martin Bros and all other dedicated people coaching up Iowa guys...including Iowa High School Coaches. Don't bother calling Prohm up when you have a good young player...not interested until everyone KNOWS the kid is a stud.
I'm proud to have had McCabe, May and any player we've enjoyed watching in the black and gold.
I'm proud to have had McCabe, May and any player we've enjoyed watching in the black and gold.
And Iowa State has had plenty of out of state players in the same talent level as McCabe & May. I also don't care where they recruit ...I'm all for them going elsewhere. I think its sort of weird coming from a D1 school 20 minutes from Des Moines.
I'm thinking Iowa's interest in the D1 talent that comes along in Iowa has been "noted".
It's nice to have ISUBryce explaining this as well. I don't think it is weird, one of the few times in their history that they've enjoyed a stretch of decent success came with transfers and out of state players. As long as they keep refusing to catch the link between, "We don't care where we get guys", and "All the Iowa kids are Hawkeye fans", we're golden. More worries about schools from out of state poaching our guys...but winning has been taking care of that was well.
Not a bad point Dan. Honestly, at no point when ISU has had success have they had a team with a lot of Iowans contributing, with the exception of the Hoiberg/Beechum/Meyer teams. Other than that, the success of the 80s, then the Floyd/Eustachy/Hoiberg eras basically didn't include any Iowans.
I'd love to get some that are good. I'd love for it to start with Foster.
I'd love to get some that are good. I'd love for it to start with Foster.
Yeah I would guess that is the case. Brunner was a really good college player. Had a good pro career overseas. Made a very good living from basketball. Foster is different in that his upside will be quite a bit higher due to height and athleticism.
I have to admit I don't care what you guys are arguing about; but because you are arguing, it means Basketball is just around the corner. Yes.
