Recruiting budgets will be restored and a return to gridiron glory days are certainly on the near horizon for Bishop Heelan and it’s alumni. Downing Catholic will no longer have its way in Iowa high school football.
Iowa school voucher scam update: Private schools raising tuition up to 40%. Special ed services to public schools will have a 30 million dollar cut
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What makes no sense is your assumption that all public schools are trash, only private schools are worth a damn; and not still see the disconnect since even if your assumption is correct that still means we have to do something about public schools since that serves as primary school route for most kids in america.
Public Schools solution is to pour more money down that rathole. Throwing money at the problem has never worked in the public schools.
Public Schools are way way too top heavy compared to the private schools counterparts.
Public schools have traditionally lowered the bar for grades and dumbed down the curriculum in order to falsely show improvement in test scores.
It’s nothing but a failing system of education in which the rest of the world has past us.
Iowa's new private school scholarship program has 'lack of oversight', state auditor says
Starting this fall, the state will send Iowa families taxpayer dollars to pay private school tuition. Once private schools receive that money, they're not required to track how they spend it.
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^^^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^
If you are going to compare “apples to apples” the rules must be the same. However for me, my main concert is the co-mingling of public collected tax money with private/religious missions and there being zero accountability to the tax payer. The co-mingling of monies is a basic violation of the idea of separation of church and State...a principle that has served this nation well since its inception.
Grade inflation is a problem Peter. However, if you believe this occurs only in “public school settings” you are a fool. I have a bridge I would like for you to invest in. I
It’s a massive scandal/issue in the public school settings in Iowa.
Are you seriously saying it doesn’t go on at private or parochial schools? Your tone here is that academic success at the public school is non-existent and that simply is not the case.
The SCOTUS is going to solve your church and state problem for you very soon.
This is reminding me somewhat of an area of my professional work, the 340B drug discount program. Basically, it was enacted before there was a medicare drug benefit or an obamacare minimum benefit plan, and it requires manufacturers to provide discounts (in some cases, very deep discounts down to a penny) on their products to "covered entities" (typically, safety net providers and clinics). The problems are, first, that the eligibility is so broad that organizations like poor little Cleveland Clinic can get the discounts, and more germane to this discussion, second, that there is absolutely no requirement that the covered entities actually pass on the lower pricing to any of their patients (so they bill insurance, which most patients now have, at full freight).
You either take that kid, or you pay back 2x the voucher amount for denying him, to the local public school district.
meh. I'm not sure if either of you is right on this one. chicken-egg
Beyond that, it can actually be funny how highly localized the public/private dynamic can be. Where I grew up, in central PA, you went to (were sent to) Catholic/private school if you were a problem in public school. Where my wife grew up, in DC, you went to (were sent to) public school if you were a problem in Catholic/private school. The psychological gap between those two positions took a long time for us to bridge when it came to where our children went to school.
I'm not sure you understand the requirements of the public education systems.
100% and we have said it from the start. Several well to do families I know are taking advantage of it also...because athletics.
No, I do, quite well. They have to take all comers, including the hardest cases from both a cost and outcomes perspective. But that fact/feature is independent of the role of private schools. It exists because as a society, we have rightfully decided that people should be educated to a certain point, or at least have the opportunity to be. Not because of any capacity/throughput limits of the private sector.
Again, even if you’re correct with your broad stereotypes; that still means you have to fix public schools somehow; as there is nowhere near enough private schools for all.
Public schools are and should remain the backbone of the American education system. If you have actual solutions to propose I’m all ears - bear in mind there’s no solution that would include not involve money.
If not, please kindly shut up.
Don’t you understand why many parents prefer the private school learning environment over the public schools babysitting school environment?
Society owes children the best educational settings as possible and for those who actually are capable of learning and want to achieve academic success the private school environment surpasses the public schools environment 1000x over.
You can get great educations in most public schools, especially if your kids are raised to be respectful and there is a value placed on learning. Kids at Davenport North, for example, can walk out of there with associate degrees, which knocks off two years of college, if that's what a family chooses.
Having said that, behaviors are getting more and more out of hand by the year because, unlike private schools, there isn't the avenue anymore to expel a kid. Another example, at one of my schools a 6th grade boy exposed himself in the hallway yesterday to another kid. It's on camera. He got to participate in the year end 6th grade event anyway and is in school today. No consequences. That would have gotten him launched out of most any private school around. Plus, his family isn't "desirable".
A big part of that solution us to allow students and their families the option of attending private schools via the vouchers. The State of Iowa is at the forefront of education and the vouchers are part of the solution you asked about.
The principal and the school district would find themselves in the losing end of a lawsuit if that kid had exposed themselves to any of my kids.
Absolutely, and I understand that it's pretty much irrelevant to the point you were making. Whether privates do or do not has nothing to do with the fact that publics do.
Honestly Pete, IMO you really can't make these generalizations.
In my experience, if I had to put money on it, I would bet that the "average" outcome at a private (if it were capable of being measured) may well be better than the "average" outcome at a public. But at the same time, I would also bet that the range of outcomes in a public is actually broader than that of a private, on both ends, i.e., I would not be at all surprised if some of the absolute "best" outcomes came from publics. Publics have both disadvantages and advantages that can vary greatly. In my experience, the public facilities tend to be better, particularly when it comes to things like technology. For better or worse, the effective tenure of a unionized teacher can also be an advantage (and a disadvantage, depending on whether the teacher's any good). In my district, in my slice of time, it was very much for the better.
When I look back on my "above-average" kids' education, which ended up being in the private/Catholic channel, I don't think their substantive knowledge was any better or worse than it would have been in a public channel. Probably a little better in writing, maybe a little weaker on the science and tech side (despite that my son is now starting a ph.d in aero). But what I cherish the most about the private channel -- which is something that was frankly not that relevant to me going into the exercise and didn't realize happened til it was over -- is the character formation and judgment that they got compared to much of what I see from young public school kids these days. I often tell people I never really "got" Catholic education til my son graduated from Gonzaga. But that was something of a capstone, and now I get it completely. Oddly enough though, if you really think hard about it, that formation issue is not really the true mission of either a private or a public as an "educational" institution.
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It will never be overturned, no politician wants to be accused of denying child’s right to the best education possible.
Public schools have to take every student in their attendance area...it matters not whether there is "room" or not. That's why we have teachers at my school with 37 in a classroom. Private schools want public money? Then feel the fvcking pain.
Remember when you said that public schools receive funding for kids living in their district who attend private school?
You pretty much disappeared after that except for laugh reacting at everything. That's gotta be embarrassing for you.
An imperfect one at best since they don’t have to take all students like public schools do.
And as a result of that, you’re taking money OUT of public schools which doesn’t help any. And no republican has proposed anything to help these supposed “failing” public schools.
No, you're not. Not even remotely. School funding - at least in NC and I assume elsewhere - is based on student population AT THE SCHOOL. Schools get zero dollars for students NOT enrolled in that school no matter where they live. A student who lives across the street from the public school but attends private school brings exactly $0 (zero dollars) into that public school. Period.
We get $$ based on attendance at the ten-day mark. We have had to drop teachers because the ten-day attendance was lower than projected and they took a teacher (and the funding) away after the first two weeks of school. We've also had to add a teacher when attendance was higher than projected.
Bottom line - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. As usual.
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Nope, you were wrong and left with your tail between your legs.
Public school districts don't receive funding for resident students attending private schools. That's not even debatable.
He doesn't have any idea about school finance, but loves sticking it to tax payers by touting this grift for some weird reason.
Your last sentence Peter, simply is NOT the case. Scream it as loud as you want, but it simply is not the truth.
STFU...you've been wrong about every single aspect of this argument. But your private school is getting theirs, so...
