Iowa school voucher scam update: Private schools raising tuition up to 40%. Special ed services to public schools will have a 30 million dollar cut
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CPI increased 7.1% through November 2022. Food and Energy cost increased ~11% and -13%. I just don’t think it’s surprising that a business (or private school in this instance) then raises their prices to pay for their increased expenses.
And again, you make a nonsensical argument. Are you suggesting that this particular school is anticipating a nearly 200% increase in expenditures over the next three years and it's purely coincidence that their tuition is rising almost exactly to the level of the voucher they are going to get from the state? That - to put it ridiculously mildly - strains credulity.
Awesome. So your legislature factored that in when they approved the 2023/2024 budget for public schools, of course.
No they do not. You cannot separate them anymore. Or at least my wife’s school doesn’t. The special Ed kids are mixed into regular classes, there is no separate Sped room. They take up so much time. Non verbal kids, behavior disorder kids. It is a huge issue in public schools. The No child left behind has negatively impacted public schools. One of my best friends is a para in our local high school and they have kids in diapers, kids that have to wear spit guards, she has been punched in the face. It just does not work to have all kids in one classroom.
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Coincidence? Heavens no. But sometimes capital begets investment, and neither you nor I know whether or to what degree that is happening here.
By far. Govt fund based accounting is far more cumbersome than private. In fact, I have seen bankers struggle to understand Govt acct.
That's simply not true. They are mixed in certain areas and situations which is generally a positive for both the special needs and the mainstream students. There are extreme anecdotal examples that people like to bring up as the norm to push for segregation, but that isn't accurate. There are classes specific to special education needs in schools.
The way "no child left behind" was implemented became a huge issue with teachers incented to move kids along whether they were learning or not. Creating education programs that incent students as well as teachers to actually learn and progress is a key going forward. The Khan Academy is a great example where it works wonderfully.
I don't frequent Twitter. And WTF? Social validation? You're just babbling now.
Another swing and a miss on your part.
Maybe in the largest schools there are special programs but in Iowa in most schools, special Ed kids are in the regular classrooms all day. There are no self-contained rooms. They have paras that help but not enough of them. And they are way short of special Ed teachers. Teachers spend much of their time dealing with kids that don’t want to be there and can’t do the work.
To be fair, both what you and Riley are saying are correct imo. I subbed for several years in the Cedar Rapids area, seeing i think 10+ school districts before i left education. I know that especially for kids with more severe disabilities, particularly physical, they spent the majority of their time in a special ed classroom - depending on the age/design of the school in question, that wasn't always possible; not to mention availability of sufficient paraeducators to do the job as well. Students with less severe and/or behavioral issues were more likely to be found in the standard classroom from what i recall.
All things being equal - I know that everyone involved would prefer to have a hybrid model where special needs kids spent time in a separate classroom as well as the normal classroom. That's not always possible unfortunately, due to lack of resources (both funding and paras/special ed teachers, the limitations of the school in question, etc. Having one party consistently using educators as a punching bag doesn't help, and the voucher system doesn't help either as simply takes $$$ from public schools and hands it to private schools with no caveats.
I assume we won't have a better idea of how many families truly take advantage of the vouchers and send their kids to private schools until the next school year, but I can't imagine too many special ed families will be able to take advantage so the end result there is public schools will have to do the same job with less money; feeding back into that argument about "failing" public schools.
Better not listen to your House Speaker Grassley then. He said yesterday on “Iowa Press” due to the recently passed legislation, these increases cannot be surprising. It’s a phuquin’ money grab by these God-fearing capitalists.
Capital begets investment, huh? I bet that investment is disproportionately not in teachers and students. Of course, it would be nice if there was some legal mechanism to look into how these funds are used but nope can't have that. Absent that, I see no reason to give these leeches the benefit of the doubt.
Absolutely kids are separated during the day. There are kids SO crazy or with such severe disabilities they cannot be serviced in gen ed at all.
I’m seeing quite a few already, just at my school, taking advantage of the voucher. None of the poor families are however. Weird. Not like that wasn’t predictable. I talked to a mom yesterday and all of her girls are going to a private school next year…because sports. Her girls are all athletic as hell.
Yes, the ones in high school in diapers and with severe disabilities are, I was more talking about the many special Ed kids that used to be in a different classroom and now are mixed in. Multiple IEPs per classroom and they require much more time and effort and are a lot of the behavior issues. The TAG kids and the kids wanting to be there and trying suffer as it is impossible to keep the special Ed kids up with the rest of the class.
Personally I would go back to special Ed rooms, but that isn’t happening. I was more pointing out one issue public schools face that private schools do not and why you can’t really compare public school results with private. Private school teachers deal with none of those issues. I’m totally against the public funds used for charter schools. For whatever reason the number of learning and behavior disorder kids in public schools is increasing and there are not programs to keep up with it.
So why are they in the school at all they can't learn?
I'll tell you why, it's because the parents need a break and send them to school to be babysit for 8 hours.
I wish Kim and the repubs just called this what it is. It would be so much easier for everyone to swallow if they were just honest about what they’re doing and not wrap it up in the Student Choice bullshit narrative. I vote for it to be renamed to the…
“Subsidizing Rich, Normal, Easy to Teach (And Hopefully Athletic Superstar) Kids in Metro Areas of Iowa While We Leave Public Schools to Deal With the Unwashed Masses So the Uninformed Public (GOP Voters In Particular) Can Continue to Shit on Them Because They Don’t ‘Perform’ While Small Christian Schools Can Get More of Your Tax Money and Eventually Big Corporate Education Can Come In and Line People’s Pockets”
…Bill.
“Subsidizing Rich, Normal, Easy to Teach (And Hopefully Athletic Superstar) Kids in Metro Areas of Iowa While We Leave Public Schools to Deal With the Unwashed Masses So the Uninformed Public (GOP Voters In Particular) Can Continue to Shit on Them Because They Don’t ‘Perform’ While Small Christian Schools Can Get More of Your Tax Money and Eventually Big Corporate Education Can Come In and Line People’s Pockets”
…Bill.
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NC’s plan will be to continue to spout trolling stupidity on the internet. He’s verrrry good at it too. Just wait for his next response. Unfortunately it won’t help the situation with our schools.
Easy, allow those who want to be taught in a distraction free environment to attend a school that is focused solely on learning.
Parents now have that choice thanks to the Governor.
When the educators integrated the special needs kids into the classrooms they robbed thousands of kids of learning.
It's not the special education students fault it came to this it is the educators fault.
That might make sense of it was the student/parent choice, but it's not.
Are you off the thinking that any child can now go to any private school they want to because of this legislation?
And I know I don't give a shit, but what is your solution for the special needs kids?
Just because a kid is in gen ed doesn’t mean he is interested in a distraction free environment. No matter what the kid or the parents tell you. And just because a kid is in special ed, with extreme challenges, doesn’t mean that he can’t excel in a gen ed environment. It’s not black and white, or easy as you said. Every child is unique, no matter what their capabilities or disabilities are. All children deserve a fair and challenging scholastic experience. Special ed kids excel with opportunities in gen ed. Special ed kids need a separate learning environment at different times. My middle school allows that. And I’d like to think we handle it to the best of our abilities.
I can’t believe you guys engage Ryan seriously. He’s as worthless on HORT as a bull’s tits.
When the class is totally disrupted for 50%+ of the time due to a out of control screaming student it's a huge distraction and that child is just being babysat. You know it and I know it.
When you say "we handle to the best of our abilities" you are really saying you deal with the hand you were dealt which is just let the screaming play out.
I’ll hang up after this response. …. I have removed kids from a classroom for screaming over the years. It has accounted no where near the 50% you made up. Like not even close. 0.05% maybe. Done. I’ll carry on in the classroom daily. Caring and educating all children.
With the anticipated and long-awaited mass exodus from the failed public school system to private schools you will undoubtedly have less crowded classrooms to continue your caring and educating children.
As a society we spend more on the prison system than on education. It's almost as if the two maybe linked.
I like to toy with him sometimes by just asking questions. He generally ignores them because he is not only a dipshit, but a coward too.
Let me respond by saying wrong all the way around. You respond because you are a moth and I am a 🔥 flame.
