Whether privates do or do not has nothing to do with the fact that publics do.
Again: it is a KEY point in the discussion here.
Whether privates do or do not has nothing to do with the fact that publics do.
I agree that the fact that publics do is an important point here inasmuch as you want privates to be subject to the same standards (all fair, just as it is implicit in the point suggested earlier in my post about 340b drug pricing), but they "do" without regard to whether the privates do.Again: it is a KEY point in the discussion here.
I agree that the fact that publics do is an important point here inasmuch as you want privates to be subject to the same standards
Wrong.No; I do not care if they have adhere to the same standards. HOWEVER, if $0.01 of public money goes to private schools, then they MUST adhere to the same standards.
This is pretty much spot on. I have skin in the game on both sides of this (wife was a public school teacher, kids go to a Catholic school). Both have their advantages and disadvantages. If you asked most private schools to take on all the special needs that the public schools take, they’d drown. There are kids in our school who go to a nearby public school for a few hours each day to get the support they require that the private school isn’t equipped for.Honestly Pete, IMO you really can't make these generalizations.
In my experience, if I had to put money on it, I would bet that the "average" outcome at a private (if it were capable of being measured) may well be better than the "average" outcome at a public. But at the same time, I would also bet that the range of outcomes in a public is actually broader than that of a private, on both ends, i.e., I would not be at all surprised if some of the absolute "best" outcomes came from publics. Publics have both disadvantages and advantages that can vary greatly. In my experience, the public facilities tend to be better, particularly when it comes to things like technology. For better or worse, the effective tenure of a unionized teacher can also be an advantage (and a disadvantage, depending on whether the teacher's any good). In my district, in my slice of time, it was very much for the better.
When I look back on my "above-average" kids' education, which ended up being in the private/Catholic channel, I don't think their substantive knowledge was any better or worse than it would have been in a public channel. Probably a little better in writing, maybe a little weaker on the science and tech side (despite that my son is now starting a ph.d in aero). But what I cherish the most about the private channel -- which is something that was frankly not that relevant to me going into the exercise and didn't realize happened til it was over -- is the character formation and judgment that they got compared to much of what I see from young public school kids these days. I often tell people I never really "got" Catholic education til my son graduated from Gonzaga. But that was something of a capstone, and now I get it completely. Oddly enough though, if you really think hard about it, that formation issue is not really the true mission of either a private or a public as an "educational" institution.
maybe legally, but that is his policy preference, which is perfectly fine.Wrong.
Well, it sounded like he was making a factual statement, which would be currently wrong and not in the law.maybe legally, but that is his policy preference, which is perfectly fine.
If nothing else, this should absolutely not be a zero sum game, even if one side will always argue that any money spent on the other makes it one. Public schools should be appropriately resourced (whatever that means), period. If you want to provide resources for kids to explore a private option, I'm fine with that too, but if it were me, that would be tied to some sort of financial need standard and/or contingent on the local district (non)performance issues.This is pretty much spot on. I have skin in the game on both sides of this (wife was a public school teacher, kids go to a Catholic school). Both have their advantages and disadvantages. If you asked most private schools to take on all the special needs that the public schools take, they’d drown. There are kids in our school who go to a nearby public school for a few hours each day to get the support they require that the private school isn’t equipped for.
Private school is a choice. We shouldn’t be tearing down our public schools to prop up the private schools. Strong public schools are vital to a prosperous community.
that can become a very blurry line, very quickly, on a message board.Well, it sounded like he was making a factual statement, which would be currently wrong and not in the law.
And with the tuition increases. Private schools are restricting the students with the biggest need from getting in. Directly in conflict of the purpose of the system being set up.If nothing else, this should absolutely not be a zero sum game, even if one side will always argue that any money spent on the other makes it one. Public schools should be appropriately resourced (whatever that means), period. If you want to provide resources for kids to explore a private option, I'm fine with that too, but if it were me, that would be tied to some sort of financial need standard and/or contingent on the local district (non)performance issues.
As i've stated somewhere in here months ago, that is not necessarily a simple linear thing, any more than it is at any ivy league university, except that the ivies have more than enough money to price discriminate in a way that enables them to just admit who they want.And with the tuition increases. Private schools are restricting the students with the biggest need from getting in. Directly in conflict of the purpose of the system being set up.
CosignedNo, you're not. Not even remotely. School funding - at least in NC and I assume elsewhere - is based on student population AT THE SCHOOL. Schools get zero dollars for students NOT enrolled in that school no matter where they live. A student who lives across the street from the public school but attends private school brings exactly $0 (zero dollars) into that public school. Period.
We get $$ based on attendance at the ten-day mark. We have had to drop teachers because the ten-day attendance was lower than projected and they took a teacher (and the funding) away after the first two weeks of school. We've also had to add a teacher when attendance was higher than projected.
Bottom line - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. As usual.
The best way would have been a lottery system that the state funds. U only have so many slots for those kids. If u don't win one of those spots. U still have the choice to go to private just not on tax payers dime.As i've stated somewhere in here months ago, that is not necessarily a simple linear thing, any more than it is at any ivy league university, except that the ivies have more than enough money to price discriminate in a way that enables them to just admit who they want.
Most privates really don't have that luxury. (He says, having just read an email this weekend from son's school celebrating the conclusion of its bicentennial fundraising campaign which raised $80M, but hey, jesuits gonna jesuit)
If the student has already been going to private school the public school is not having any money taken from them.An imperfect one at best since they don’t have to take all students like public schools do.
And as a result of that, you’re taking money OUT of public schools which doesn’t help any. And no republican has proposed anything to help these supposed “failing” public schools.
You can cry all you want about the school vouchers but they are here to stay.Your last sentence Peter, simply is NOT the case. Scream it as loud as you want, but it simply is not the truth.
And our nation and Constitution become a little more watered down….as America races for the bottom.You can cry all you want about the school vouchers but they are here to stay.
Unless the state expanded the funds available, they have expanded the students eligible for funding and thus lowered the dollars per student funding.If the student has already been going to private school the public school is not having any money taken from them.
You are an idiot.If the student has already been going to private school the public school is not having any money taken from them.
Look in the mirror.You are an idiot.
This is not true according to @Pinehawk .If the student has already been going to private school the public school is not having any money taken from them.
OK. I saw an reasonably smart person.Look in the mirror.
SEP getting a new $3 million softball complex. With all the public schools complaining about vouchers taking money from them, they don’t seem to have a problem blowing any on things like this.
And Solon will be better than 99% of the private schools in Iowa.Yep. Private schools still don’t get this critical advantage that public schools do.
“Solon voters approved a $25.5 million bond measure Tuesday night.
This will expand the intermediate school, update Lakeview Elementary, create a transportation facility, construct a new administrative building, build a new multi-purpose indoor activity facility, and get new turf at Spartan Stadium. The turf now is 12 years old.”
Reasonably smart? What compared to a potato.OK. I saw an reasonably smart person.
You are as witless as you are ignorant.
Public Schools blow through money like it's nothing.SEP getting a new $3 million softball complex. With all the public schools complaining about vouchers taking money from them, they don’t seem to have a problem blowing any on things like this.
"What compared to a potato."Reasonably smart? What compared to a potato.
And you're definitely a product of the public school system."What compared to a potato."
You are truly unsurpassed in dumbassery.
Somebody doesn't understand school finance.SEP getting a new $3 million softball complex. With all the public schools complaining about vouchers taking money from them, they don’t seem to have a problem blowing any on things like this.
But do so with over-sight from its citizens. School board elections open to ALL residents of tge community and all they have to do is pass public referendums to raise money for new buildings.Public Schools blow through money like it's nothing.
The law was poorly crafted, not vetted, and failed to pass the last legislative session. Kimmie went out and put a bullet into the heads of four of her own party members in primaries to get it passed.This is reminding me somewhat of an area of my professional work, the 340B drug discount program. Basically, it was enacted before there was a medicare drug benefit or an obamacare minimum benefit plan, and it requires manufacturers to provide discounts (in some cases, very deep discounts down to a penny) on their products to "covered entities" (typically, safety net providers and clinics). The problems are, first, that the eligibility is so broad that organizations like poor little Cleveland Clinic can get the discounts, and more germane to this discussion, second, that there is absolutely no requirement that the covered entities actually pass on the lower pricing to any of their patients (so they bill insurance, which most patients now have, at full freight).
Link?A quick Google search shows Regina is raising tuition 44% for in parish families. Spectacular grift by Kim.
This is the same guy who said that public schools get per pupil finding for resident students attending a private school.A quick Google search shows Regina is raising tuition 44% for in parish families. Spectacular grift by Kim.
I was on my phone last night and do not see the same link...honestly. This one says 10% increase, so yes, they are doing what we said they would do. If I can find the other one somewhere I will link it.Link?
There goes more tax dollars. Well done, Iowa Republicans. Stop falling for grifters' bullcrap!
Oh, so they haven't announced the 2023-24 tuition raise, yet? I was talking to a Regina MILF at the gym this morning and she said they haven't been told how much their tuition is going up, but expect to find out soon. Or, are you playing some other semantics game?