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This week some in the DSM media were hyping ISU up as 1st place in the big 12. They were being serious. Oddly.
B12 ball isn't even that fun to watch. Someone play something resembling defense.
Yeah, they're going 2-10....sorry Coach Rhoads. It's been real.
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I don't know, I watched the Kansas State-TCU game tonight and it was awesome. Whether these teams are any good or not is another question. Obviously Iowa State is in over their head in any event.
I'm pretty sure they give up an average of 55 points per game every year to teams not named Kansas. If only they treated every game like the Iowa game....
I really thought ISU was improved significantly this year, but it didn't look like it yesterday.
Well Ames did hold Texas Tech to 66 points yesterday. A little credit is needed here.
The biggest problem Saturday was the offense. Seriously. If you watched the game, you would agree with me. Assuming you understand football.
Nobody has stopped the TT offense all season. They have a great scheme and great players. They also have figured out how to hold on every play -- their QB has been sacked ONCE all season. But the Zorros have a weak defense. The way to hang with them is score points and keep the ball away from them.
ISU gained nearly 500 yards -- including over 300 rushing, 245 of them by Mike Warren -- and scored 31 points, but left all kinds of points on the field. It was probably the worst game Sam has played at QB since he came to ISU. Continually missed open receivers, and threw three picks that were indefensible throws. (by "indefensible" I mean there was no excuse for throwing them, not that it was impossible to defend against them. Obviously).
As Ben Bruns pointed out in the post-game commentary, when one quarterback has a rating of almost 200 and the other has a rating of 90, it isn't difficult to guess who's going to win the game.
Nobody has stopped the TT offense all season. They have a great scheme and great players. They also have figured out how to hold on every play -- their QB has been sacked ONCE all season. But the Zorros have a weak defense. The way to hang with them is score points and keep the ball away from them.
ISU gained nearly 500 yards -- including over 300 rushing, 245 of them by Mike Warren -- and scored 31 points, but left all kinds of points on the field. It was probably the worst game Sam has played at QB since he came to ISU. Continually missed open receivers, and threw three picks that were indefensible throws. (by "indefensible" I mean there was no excuse for throwing them, not that it was impossible to defend against them. Obviously).
As Ben Bruns pointed out in the post-game commentary, when one quarterback has a rating of almost 200 and the other has a rating of 90, it isn't difficult to guess who's going to win the game.
And still got beat by 25 points!!!! That would disgust me as a fan. Not sure I could watch that type of football unless I was a fan of an offensive powerhouse.
ISU's problem is that they'll be playing teams wanting to impress poll voters. That does not bode well for a team that can't play any sort of defensive football. They might give up 80 against Baylor and TCU.
CPR will be on his knees begging for the ole continuous clock that the high schools use.
CPR will be on his knees begging for the ole continuous clock that the high schools use.
ISU's defense isn't all that horrible. Look at the Iowa game as one example. Is it good? No. But it's better than it's been in recent years. I don't disagree about how many they'll give up in the next two weeks, though. If they can't keep the ball away from the Bears and Toads, you are absolutely correct.
I understand your point but its like comparing apples and oranges. Iowa runs the ball and plays defense, of course there aren't going to be scores in the 50's because of sheer time constraints in the game. Losing is losing which is why I don't get the argument that ISU would do better in the Big 10. I don't see it; just because these teams don't score as much they will actually stop you when you have the ball.
I grew up learning old math, but I think they actually lost by 35. I predicted that they would surrender between 150 and 175 points in the next three games, Tech, TCU and Baylor, and I now think I may have underestimated
Whoa. The "would do better in the Big Ten" argument is separate. It isn't an argument I've made, here or elsewhere.
Having said that, do you think Iowa would have the same result in the next two weeks if it were playing TCU and Baylor instead of Northwestern and Maryland?
As previously stated, comparing the Iowa game to the no defense conference games is a really bad comparison. Not sure about the injury situation... but as the season progresses, ISU will continue to give up even more. The coach can try and explain this away, if he wants. Truth is that as long as Trice isn't empty, I doubt Pollard pulls the plug. He's not going to get a current head coach, so can he really do better than CPR? ISU football isn't getting better anytime soon.
I somewhat admire ISU fans. How in hell they support that program is hard to understand. It can't be fun watching the on the field results, and the pregame experience can only hold up for a short time going forward.
CPR has parlayed the OSU upset for quite some time. I'm guessing he may try and axe the DCoordinator to get a little more time, tho.
You beat a team like TCU/Baylor/TTU by being more physical on the LOS where they don't have time to find their receivers. You must disrupt the QB's reads to where he doesn't have time tp pick you apart.
In addition, you then must shorten the game by playing keepaway. The more you have the ball, the less they can potentially score. I watched some of the game and was seeing ISU snap the ball with 10-15 seconds on the play clock a lot and was thinking...why? Take the air out of the ball for crap's sake.
Don't do these two things, and you get beat 66-31.
Iowa beat Kingsbury himself in 2001 by doing exactly what I described above.
In addition, you then must shorten the game by playing keepaway. The more you have the ball, the less they can potentially score. I watched some of the game and was seeing ISU snap the ball with 10-15 seconds on the play clock a lot and was thinking...why? Take the air out of the ball for crap's sake.
Don't do these two things, and you get beat 66-31.
Iowa beat Kingsbury himself in 2001 by doing exactly what I described above.
They actually lost by 35 points. 66-31. The problem is both offense and defense. Sam Richardson is not the guy, never has been and never will be. He is just simply not a good QB. Its time for him to hit the pine. Also, Iowa State had one of the worst defenses in the country last year, and they look even worse this year, how is that possible? I legit had an ISU fan before the season try to tell me how ISU would start 5-0. I laughed then and am laughing even harder now. What in your right mind would make you think a team that had won 5 games in 2 years would start 5-0. They will go 2-10 this year and Rhoads will be looking for work at Ankeny Centennial.
Iowa might not win against those 2 teams but I guarantee you without a doubt Iowa would not lose 66-31. Not a chance in hell Iowa has that score to all-mighty Texas Tech
That insane comeback was the highlight of the bowl season last year, even better than Nike U getting drilled.
If Iowa wins Saturday and assuming TCU easily beats ISU this week Iowa would have same amount of wins this year as ISU has had in its last 29 games. And before a clone fans argue about their schedule they've had 6 games against Kansas and FCS teams in that time frame.
Tech only scored 35 against the only team on their schedule that plays defense (albeit a win against an SEC team).
I forget what was the TCU score against Minn???? oh yeah 23-17.
Let's not celebrate the unbeatable big 12 just yet.
I forget what was the TCU score against Minn???? oh yeah 23-17.
Let's not celebrate the unbeatable big 12 just yet.
I have never understood why ISU has tried to out-athlete Big12 programs who have on their current rosters as well as have direct recruiting access to better athletes. Yes ISU gets a couple of good players but that's not enough to think you consistently win track meets.
I agree with an earlier poster that I would go against the Big 12 grain and develop big, stout and physical O-lines and play a huge slow down ball control game. It would be run heavy attack with play action passing and just frustrate the heck out of those offenses by having them sitting and waiting on the sidelines. Then build your D to be a bend but do not break style. If they score force them to take 10+ play drives to do it and 4-5 minutes off the clock.
It's silly to think you are going to win much playing their style when they have better players and better weather.
I agree with an earlier poster that I would go against the Big 12 grain and develop big, stout and physical O-lines and play a huge slow down ball control game. It would be run heavy attack with play action passing and just frustrate the heck out of those offenses by having them sitting and waiting on the sidelines. Then build your D to be a bend but do not break style. If they score force them to take 10+ play drives to do it and 4-5 minutes off the clock.
It's silly to think you are going to win much playing their style when they have better players and better weather.
I hesitated to participate in this thread, because I thought it was likely to deteriorate into the same old issues of schedule strength, etc., and the same old cant about how unsuccessful ISU football has been in the past. Sure enough.
Agree. With big, strong Midwest linemen and big running backs they could perhaps be one of the if not the best ball control offenses in the Big 12 but instead they are consistently one of the worst "high power" offenses.
And I think the Fatman should get fired before Burnham does fwiw.
I wish we could play in the Big12! We'd win that conference most years and always be in the hunt. Your conference champ would've finished 4th in the B1G last year. That tells it all.
P.S. Neb wishes they could play in the Big12 also!
P.S. Neb wishes they could play in the Big12 also!
