ISU. A quality win.
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As much as it pains me, I'm expecting the Hawkeyes to get blown out in Ames on Thursday. I don't think we're that good of a team. We have one great player (Uthoff), a couple good ones, a few decent shooters, and then a bunch of young unproven guys.
A win over #2 ISU would look good enough on our resume that we can get into the NCAA Tournament with 18 or 19 wins, barring major injuries or a total collapse in the Big Ten season.
A win over #2 ISU would look good enough on our resume that we can get into the NCAA Tournament with 18 or 19 wins, barring major injuries or a total collapse in the Big Ten season.
One could say the same about your basketball team. Except it would be even more true. Colorado? LOL..........
But I suppose you are hoping the NCAA will over-rate the Big Twelve again.
No, I'm talking about the lack of quality wins by Iowa in football, which was created by the ridiculous scheduling created when you have a 14 team conference and divisions.
Both ISU and UI will have quality wins in BBall.
An ISU fan ripping on Iowa football - Really? Just stop.
Does Iowa create their own conference schedule? No, if you have an issue with it then take it up with the conference. Iowa consistently plays 2 power 5 teams in out of conference and a top fcs program. Iowa can't help ISU isn't a quality win in football but they're stuck playing them. Move on, it's old and full of jealousy.
Iowa may have had more quality football wins than ISU had wins of any kind.
My God man, would you show up to a ball kicking contest with a target drawn on your sac? Talk about begging for punishment. I would think you would like to keep the conversation focused on basketball. I'll give you an opportunity.
Watched some of the ISU game last night. Good Lord do they play fast. Iowa plays fast, but ISU takes is to a whole new level. If they didn't have Iowa State on the front of their jersey, I would love watching them play.
Farcyted, if I could make a suggestion, maybe focus on Cyclone basketball. It is a real treat. Obsessing over Iowa football is going to make for a long holiday season. I will make a similar decision and not challenge Stanford to a friendly game of Trivial Pursuit. We will both be happier in the end.
Going to the Rose Bowl is one of the greatest experiences in all of sports.
And you'll never know.
Regardless of who you play extremely hard to go through a year undefeated or just be tagged with 1 loss.
Iowa is a solid football team who does not beat themselves. Hopefully Campbell can teach some of those skills to ISU players, it would be a step in the right direction.
With regards to Thursday winner takes away a quality win, even for the team that loses considered a good loss that does not hurt you on selection Sunday.
As an ISU fan I am not looking forward to Thursday. I fear we're gonna start out cold and you guys are gonna start out hot much like 2 years ago. Just not a good feeling. Hope I am wrong and talent wins out, but you never know with a rivalry game.
yeah, get better. You are killing our SOS. Isn't it depressing to know that ISU rarely has seasons that Iowa fans would consider mediocre?
Your are an ISU idiot. I have to know u because you sound a lot like people I know around the Huxley area. Until you ISU people can get over your stupid comments about a football program that you would kill to have on a Hawkeye basketball site...your ignorance totally outshines anything your terrific basketball team does for you.
Iowa usually plats out their ass against Iowa State. The first 10-12 minutes of the second half last year was an anomaly. I think this is a very, very scary game, especially the way ISU has been playing so far this season.
What are you talking about? Kenpom has Iowa SOS at 140 and ISU at 228. Dont let the facts get in the way though.
RPI also doesn't punish you for playing a Div 2 school. So that shows you how great that metric is. I mean teams could go out and play 2-3 Div 2 schools, Lose and not be punished. That seems fair doesn't it?
No metric is perfect. RPI is what the committee uses so that's what I use. KenPom is great for some things but is not meant to be a ranking system. Plus ISU hasn't played anyone that isn't D1 so I don't think it's skewed for what they've done
I don't really care, I was just pointing it out. I hate the RPI cause of that flaw. The Mountain West Conference uses that to their advantage every year, they schedule 2-3 teams that are Div 2 and it doesn't hurt their RPI at all. Meanwhile teams like Deleware St, Coppin State, and others hurt your RPI (even though they are Div 1). It absolutely makes no sense to me.
Regardless SOS won't mean crap come Thursday. I think ISU is too deep and too athletic for Iowa. Iowa has a solid starting 5, but after that it falls way off. ISU will have a 15-2 run somewhere in the game and it will be a 13-20pt win for ISU.
I think this game will help prepare Iowa for the Big Ten Season, playing a top opponent in their place w/a sellout crowd can't hurt.
Really? A douchenozzle 'clone fan comes onto the IOWA basketball board to jab at football? After yet another atrocious season by the dumpster fire of a program in ames?
That is stupidity of the first order.
As far as the basketball game on Thursday, a loss won't hurt Hawks chances to make the NCAA tourney. But a win, that would be big in the committee's eyes come selection Sunday.
That is stupidity of the first order.
As far as the basketball game on Thursday, a loss won't hurt Hawks chances to make the NCAA tourney. But a win, that would be big in the committee's eyes come selection Sunday.
Nice hearing from another member of the Peanut Gallery. Don't know if all 8500 posts from you were this downright stupid, but I certainly wouldn't bet against it.
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Certainly not ISU. On the other hand, Iowa plays in a league that actually plays defense, has 3 of the top 7 teams, and 5 of the top 15 teams in the country in it. Oh, and Iowa is ranked at #5. What is your team ranked? And who has YOUR team defeated?
I dont think it takes much imagination to look at both schedules at this point and see who has played a tougher schedule (Iowa) but it has zero effect right now on the game Thursday. As an Iowa fan my biggest concern is playing their first game in front of a true away crowd and being able to play above the noise so to speak. Marquette was on the road but that venue is not the same and we jumped on them so fast the crowd was out of it quick. I think this will be a very tough one for the Hawks but hell, I have been wrong many times before and I would love to be wrong Thursday.
Right, beating a NCAA team from last year who finished 3rd in the best basketball conference does nothing for a team. Definitely not the same as beating a 3-9 team in football who finished 9th out of 10 and likes to lose to FCS teams.
That wasn't the point of the post to which you responded. The poster simply wrote that, whichever team loses on Thursday, it won't be considered a "bad" loss on Selection Sunday. And, while ISU is higher ranked, came into the season with higher expectations and, IMO, is the better (perhaps "much" better) team, when they show the graphic on Selection Sunday which lists "Good Wins" and "Bad Losses" for each team, a loss to Iowa State or a loss to Iowa won't be listed on the screen.
If, as I highly anticipate, ISU wins, I'm simply hoping that, at the end of the season, Iowa is listed as one of ISU's "Good Wins." That would mean that Iowa finished the B1G season well.
If Iowa pulls off the upset, there is no doubt in my mind that ISU would be listed as one of Iowa's "Good Wins."
I think for seeding purposes, any loss at home to a lower- or un-ranked team is seen by the committee as a bad loss. But I understand what you're saying. It certainly wouldn't be on the same level as, for instance, a loss last night to Buffalo would have been.
I'm not really arguing with you here. We're both on the same page, or nearly enough that it doesn't matter. ISU lost at Hilton to Baylor last year, and I don't think that was considered a bad loss.
Having said that, the case can be made that if something is a good win for the winner, it just about has to be a bad loss for the loser. In both cases, it was an outcome that wasn't supposed to occur.
Iowa State beat 18 different teams last year. 4 had higher RPIs than Iowa (Kansas, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Arkansas). 13 teams had lower RPIs. Thus, while ISU's wins over Kansas were its "marquee" wins last year, I think that it is fair to conclude that Iowa was, without question, among ISU's "better" wins.
Even if you disagree, I can guarantee you that beating a #40 RPI Iowa did more for ISU than losing to #97 South Carolina, #185 Texas Tech and #108 Kansas State.
I guess if the world is "black/white," then a "good win" must be accompanied by a "bad loss." However, let's say that Iowa loses a buzzer-beater on Thursday night. Wouldn't that be characterized as a "good loss?" Would that then have to be characterized as a "bad win" for ISU?
Wins and losses are black and white When you want to place a "good" or "bad" modifier on the terms, then you invoke many shades of grey. As you note, an ISU loss to Buffalo would be a far less "palatable" loss (taking the ISU/Iowa rivalry out of the equation) than a loss to Iowa. Similarly, an Iowa loss to Drake would be far less "palatable" than a loss to ISU.
The only way that I'll lose sleep on Thursday night if ISU wins is if Iowa gags away a win like they did in Hilton two years ago. Otherwise, I fully expect ISU to win and, as I told my ISU fan neighbor over a beer last night, I'm expecting ISU to win big. I expect early foul trouble on Gesell and Woodbury and I don't think that the young guys will be able to contain ISU's experienced team. If ISU brings its B+ game or better, ISU wins. Pains me to write that, but I very much believe it.
Apparently we do, otherwise our one loss in a conference championship game would have been better than Bama or Oklahoma's one loss.
