ISU projected to have a bigger crowd than us.....

[HawktimusPrime]

has that ever happened before? The projected attendance is at 61,000 for them and we came in at just under 60,000.

Does anyone know the last time this ever happened? Hopefully the wins continue and balance is restored.

 

[anon_snp6dc585nnj4]

has that ever happened before? The projected attendance is at 61,000 for them and we came in at just under 60,000.

Does anyone know the last time this ever happened? Hopefully the wins continue and balance is restored.

Who cares they are going to lose. Also if we play UNI we easily break their number.

 

[ichawk24]

Congrats to ISU. After 125 years it was bound to happen once.

 

[mustang_horsepower]

We won today. That's the only thing and number that matters to most of us....

 

[Big Hawk D-Port]

You also have to remember that their game is not on TV. For good reason.

 

[bobchawk]

You also have to remember that their game is not on TV. For good reason.

not on TV, Ill St bought all of 900 tix so that hurts as well,

 

[itsshowtime]

IM sure a lot of purple in Ames helped add to that number.

 

[pharmdfd]

Buddy went to this "sold out" game and got 3 free tickets right after kickoff.

 

[TankHawk]

If ISU is outdrawing Iowa at the end of the year, I will be impressed. Right now it is all about tailgating and checking out the new stadium addition. That will be short lived if the team looks like it has the last few years.

 

[hawkcub]

They are going to out draw us a little over 1000 in week 1. They will sell out next week. Win in Ames we may push attendance to 65K for Pitt. Lose we might still be looking at 62K.

 

[meatloaf55]

It looked pretty packed in the first quarter but maybe that was just tv magic

 

[MACE]

Sister-in-law bought a new car and got free ISU season tickets. Tried to give some to me...I said no thanks.

 

[GoUIowa]

Their stadium upgrade is legit. Big time atmosphere here right now. Laugh all you want, but it's true. More people and way louder than Kinnick today. I was at both.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Their stadium upgrade is legit. Big time atmosphere here right now. Laugh all you want, but it's true. More people and way louder than Kinnick today. I was at both.

Iowa plays 11am game against non in state school at peak of the heat today. ISU night game vs uni. Not surprised. But I bet our game vs Pitt At 7pm will be lot more loud and have more people compared to first home game they have after Iowa which I think they play Kansas at 11am. Time and opponent make a difference.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Their stadium upgrade is legit. Big time atmosphere here right now. Laugh all you want, but it's true. More people and way louder than Kinnick today. I was at both.

Well I....guess it's over, huh. Guess we gotta wave the white flag and admit our defeat.....

Iowa State > Iowa........sad day in Hawkeye football history.

 

[ih8iast8]

Their stadium upgrade is legit. Big time atmosphere here right now. Laugh all you want, but it's true. More people and way louder than Kinnick today. I was at both.

It's great that your fanbase can get that excited about a team that won't even be 0.500 by the end of the season.

 

[MuskieCy]

61,500 in Ames.

59,450 official box score in IC.

Happened just about every time in the B Commings era.

 

[InsHAWK]

61,500 in Ames.

59,450 official box score in IC.

Happened just about every time in the B Commings era.

let's see the total attendence for 2015.

 

[cidhawkeye]

61,500 in Ames.

59,450 official box score in IC.

Happened just about every time in the B Commings era.

Muskie you may want to re check your numbers on that one. If you consider never having a higher average attendance during that time 'just about every time' then you may be a politician... Lol

 

[Lone Clone]

Muskie you may want to re check your numbers on that one. If you consider never having a higher average attendance during that time 'just about every time' then you may be a politician... Lol

Tickets sold, it happened just a few times. Actual butts on the bleachers, it happened much, much more often than that.

But we've been going by paid attendance, since those are the only numbers we have, and I'd be surprised if it happened even half a dozen times in the '70s.

 

[5Fan5]

Tickets sold, it happened just a few times. Actual butts on the bleachers, it happened much, much more often than that.

But we've been going by paid attendance, since those are the only numbers we have, and I'd be surprised if it happened even half a dozen times in the '70s.

What actual proof is there to substantiate this? Or, are we just to believe the incessant isu poster that thinks he knows something, is often proven wrong and then said posted goes on and on and on about how he simply made yet another mistake? Quit while you are just a lap or two down.

 

[MuskieCy]

What actual proof is there to substantiate this? Or, are we just to believe the incessant isu poster that thinks he knows something, is often proven wrong and then said posted goes on and on and on about how he simply made yet another mistake? Quit while you are just a lap or two down.

Were you around in the pre-Hayden era? We would drive up from Muscatine and get $2 "knothole" section(the entire south encirclement at the time) for every game.

Partial filled east and west stadium sections and no north endzone of much consequence. Less than 50K was the norm in reality, just not in the hallowed memories of propaganda.

 

[5Fan5]

Were you around in the pre-Hayden era? We would drive up from Muscatine and get $2 "knothole" section(the entire south encirclement at the time) for every game.

Partial filled east and west stadium sections and no north endzone of much consequence. Less than 50K was the norm in reality, just not in the hallowed memories of propaganda.

Thanks for verifying that neither you nor LC has actual proof.

BTW, the question was not whether there were any tickets available to those games. The claim made by Mr. Post First (and hope that nobody asks) was that there were more actual attendees for games in Ames as opposed to games in Iowa City. Your anecdotal recall of something you might have witnessed now over three decades ago is very touching, but lacks the proof requested.

 

[Lone Clone]

What actual proof is there to substantiate this? Or, are we just to believe the incessant isu poster that thinks he knows something, is often proven wrong and then said posted goes on and on and on about how he simply made yet another mistake? Quit while you are just a lap or two down.

There is no proof, obviously. But I was old enough to attend games and read newspaper stories at the time, which may be where I have the advantage of you.

 

[hawkcub]

I've had my arguments with LC before but in this case what he is saying isn't all that illogical. Iowa stunk in the 70's. ISU had some good teams then.

At the end of the year think we surpass them. They are only ahead of us by 2K playing an instate team.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Having grown up in Iowa City and going to games and being able to read a newspaper I thought maybe.. Just maybe some facts might help in this case. Now I know SID's can play with numbers and unlike Clone or Muskie I didn't take a mental image and count every single person in the stands to show that the facts I am going to present are wrong but here goes.

1970 Iowa 49,728 ISU 27,537 advantage Iowa
1971 Iowa 46,630 ISU 27,805 advantage Iowa
1972 Iowa 44,166 ISU 33,231 advantage Iowa
1973 Iowa 43,569 ISU 31,696 advantage Iowa
1974 Iowa 48,600 ISU 32,419 advantage Iowa
1975 Iowa 53,448 ISU 39,774 advantage Iowa
1976 Iowa 53,465 ISU 40,981 advantage Iowa
1977 Iowa 53,916 ISU 44,060 advantage Iowa
1978 Iowa 53,214 ISU 49,205 advantage Iowa
1979 Iowa 59,708 ISU 45,455 advantage Iowa

Not sure how it will format since I am doing this from my phone so I will summarize 1970 - 1979 it was Iowa 10, ISU zero for average attendance. Please feel free to share your newspaper articles where it says 'in a crowd grossly overstated at 49,263' or 'ISU greatly under reports attendance' etc. Muskie I took advantage of those $2 tickets, sitting under the south end zone bleachers, sitting in any number of seats, sliding down the hill because the game was boring etc. So if you want to run smack you two, attendance smack in the 70's might not be the smack you want to run, unless of course I missed something other than your 'this one time at band camp we all went to the ISU game and there were like 65,000 people there but they only said 27,557 were there but I know way better than that because I counted them all'

 

[And1Hawk]

Look ISU needs anything they can grab onto to boast about. They are desperate for attention as they get very little to none outside of a 30 mile radius in central Iowa. When you have to consistently tell everyone how great you are and how great everything is then that says that no one has noticed. I'd rather earn that respect than force people to accept it. Unfortunately at Iowa have not earned it much the last 5-6 years so that's what the ticket sales reflect. At least as a fan base we do not run around telling everyone how great we are and polish tirds. We accept the reality of where we are and ask for better.

I have a number of friends and acquintances who did not renew this season in order to voice their dissatisfaction with the on going direction and product on the field. None of them have said to me that 'I have quit being a Hawkeye', all planned to follow the team and many if not all want to return when they see tangible proof that a change in mindset has been made. Some think that this requires a coaching change. Bottom line is winning cures all.

Game 1 showed something a little different within the constructs of the principles of Iowa football so that was refreshing. Now it's time to show something at ISU. Big test for KF. It would be great to come back home for a PITT night game 2-0. I would suspect the stands might be close to full.

By the way, being at the first game I was pleasantly surprised by the attendance. The student sections were full with students which I did not expect. There were some empties in a couple corners and a few in the North but I actually expected to see a lot more. It was a fun day and I enjoyed listening to the live band before the game. In game music was decent. They just need to do something better at half time to keep the energy going. Too much down time with fluff.

 

[Lone Clone]

Having grown up in Iowa City and going to games and being able to read a newspaper I thought maybe.. Just maybe some facts might help in this case. Now I know SID's can play with numbers and unlike Clone or Muskie I didn't take a mental image and count every single person in the stands to show that the facts I am going to present are wrong but here goes.

1970 Iowa 49,728 ISU 27,537 advantage Iowa
1971 Iowa 46,630 ISU 27,805 advantage Iowa
1972 Iowa 44,166 ISU 33,231 advantage Iowa
1973 Iowa 43,569 ISU 31,696 advantage Iowa
1974 Iowa 48,600 ISU 32,419 advantage Iowa
1975 Iowa 53,448 ISU 39,774 advantage Iowa
1976 Iowa 53,465 ISU 40,981 advantage Iowa
1977 Iowa 53,916 ISU 44,060 advantage Iowa
1978 Iowa 53,214 ISU 49,205 advantage Iowa
1979 Iowa 59,708 ISU 45,455 advantage Iowa

Not sure how it will format since I am doing this from my phone so I will summarize 1970 - 1979 it was Iowa 10, ISU zero for average attendance. Please feel free to share your newspaper articles where it says 'in a crowd grossly overstated at 49,263' or 'ISU greatly under reports attendance' etc. Muskie I took advantage of those $2 tickets, sitting under the south end zone bleachers, sitting in any number of seats, sliding down the hill because the game was boring etc. So if you want to run smack you two, attendance smack in the 70's might not be the smack you want to run, unless of course I missed something other than your 'this one time at band camp we all went to the ISU game and there were like 65,000 people there but they only said 27,557 were there but I know way better than that because I counted them all'

Perhaps you should re-read the thread. If you don't realize your error, come back and ask me to explain it to you.

 

[Psyclone]

I've had my arguments with LC before but in this case what he is saying isn't all that illogical. Iowa stunk in the 70's. ISU had some good teams then.

At the end of the year think we surpass them. They are only ahead of us by 2K playing an instate team.

There is also quite a difference in what Lone Clone is saying and what Muskie is saying.

 

[Lone Clone]

There is also quite a difference in what Lone Clone is saying and what Muskie is saying.

And there's a an even bigger difference between what I'm saying and what cidhawkeye is talking about. He is not stupid. He will figure it out pretty quickly.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I am missing what I am missing. Saturday attendance advantage ISU, Muskie claiming it happened quite a bit pre Hayden, quite wrong. Hawkcub saying it was logical was mistaken. LC saying that Iowa sold more tickets but ISU had more people on the bleachers than Iowa in the pre Fry era, was that due to the people on the hill throwing glass bottles at the kids selling soda(they always missed me) so please explain my error. It has been a long weekend. Lol

 

[Lone Clone]

I am missing what I am missing. Saturday attendance advantage ISU, Muskie claiming it happened quite a bit pre Hayden, quite wrong. Hawkcub saying it was logical was mistaken. LC saying that Iowa sold more tickets but ISU had more people on the bleachers than Iowa in the pre Fry era, was that due to the people on the hill throwing glass bottles at the kids selling soda(they always missed me) so please explain my error. It has been a long weekend. Lol

Yes, a long weekend. And it isn't over yet

You're talking about the average ticket sales for a season. I'm talking about actual butts on seats in individual games. I tried to be pretty clear that I thought there were fewer than half a dozen game days when ISU sold more tickets than Iowa, as happened Saturday, but that it was a more frequent occurrence for more people to actually show up at Trice than Kinnick.

I can't speak for Muskie, but I'm sure nobody is claiming ISU ever had greater attendance for a season than Iowa. ISU has sold more season tickets than Iowa -- I think that's happened in each of the last three years, for that matter -- but I don't think has ever averaged more paid attendance for a season.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Yes, a long weekend. And it isn't over yet

You're talking about the average ticket sales for a season. I'm talking about actual butts on seats in individual games. I tried to be pretty clear that I thought there were fewer than half a dozen game days when ISU sold more tickets than Iowa, as happened Saturday, but that it was a more frequent occurrence for more people to actually show up at Trice than Kinnick.

I can't speak for Muskie, but I'm sure nobody is claiming ISU ever had greater attendance for a season than Iowa. ISU has sold more season tickets than Iowa -- I think that's happened in each of the last three years, for that matter -- but I don't think has ever averaged more paid attendance for a season.

I understood what you were attempting to say, I just presented the facts that are present for the situation. With a spread that ranged from +4,000 to +19,000 I find it difficult to believe there were widespread incidents of games that ISU had more people in the stadium than Iowa. Why would ISU not claim people in the stadium? Take the 19,000 season, were there 10,000 Iowa fans with tickets that didn't show and 9,000 ISU fans they didn't report? Or did they just open the gates and say come on in? So other than recollection please provide these widespread occurrences and how we know them to be true.

 

[gojojo]

61,500 in Ames.

59,450 official box score in IC.

Happened just about every time in the B Commings era.

Looking at the program I bought at the game Saturday it says the lowest average attendance was 48,302 in Kinnick in 1975. What did jack Trice even hold back then?

My guess is that your statement is incorrect.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Looking at the program I bought at the game Saturday it says the lowest average attendance was 48,302 in Kinnick in 1975. What did jack Trice even hold back then?

My guess is that your statement is incorrect.

Careful, you will be told those numbers aren't accurate. Kind of like the salesman who sells items at a loss but tells his boss he will make it up in volume.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Yes, a long weekend. And it isn't over yet

You're talking about the average ticket sales for a season. I'm talking about actual butts on seats in individual games. I tried to be pretty clear that I thought there were fewer than half a dozen game days when ISU sold more tickets than Iowa, as happened Saturday, but that it was a more frequent occurrence for more people to actually show up at Trice than Kinnick.

I can't speak for Muskie, but I'm sure nobody is claiming ISU ever had greater attendance for a season than Iowa. ISU has sold more season tickets than Iowa -- I think that's happened in each of the last three years, for that matter -- but I don't think has ever averaged more paid attendance for a season.

Unless someone over 40 years ago actually attended both ISU and Iowa games on the same day pretty tough to make the claim ISU had more butts in the seat over iowa on frequency occurrences even though Iowa had more tix sold. Also considering it wasn't like today where every game is on tv and one can see bulk of the stadium attendance.

 

[Lone Clone]

I understood what you were attempting to say, I just presented the facts that are present for the situation. With a spread that ranged from +4,000 to +19,000 I find it difficult to believe there were widespread incidents of games that ISU had more people in the stadium than Iowa. Why would ISU not claim people in the stadium? Take the 19,000 season, were there 10,000 Iowa fans with tickets that didn't show and 9,000 ISU fans they didn't report? Or did they just open the gates and say come on in? So other than recollection please provide these widespread occurrences and how we know them to be true.

If you understood what I was trying to say, why did you include statistics from the first half of the '70s when the capacity of Clyde Williams Field, where ISU played its games, was about 34,000? If I confused anybody by not specifically saying "late '70s," I apologize. I kinda took it for granted that's what we were talking about because Trice didn't open until '75.

What I was trying to say is pretty simple.

1. I would be surprised if there were even half a dozen times in the '70s when both teams were playing at home on the same day and ISU sold more tickets;

2. Much more frequently than that, more people were in the stands at Trice than at Kinnick. I was challenged to prove this, which of course is impossible.....just as it's impossible to disprove it. It's an opinion based on my experience. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm certainly prejudiced. But I also was in a position to make a judgment. I had season tickets at ISU and attended pretty much every game. I attended at least one game every year in Iowa City and talked about the Hawkeye program frequently with fans and with sportswriters who covered them, and living in Cedar Rapids, I was deluged with media coverage of the program. I would imagine I'm in a better position to form an opinion on the matter than most, if not all, the others who have been commenting here.

 

[meatloaf55]

If you understood what I was trying to say, why did you include statistics from the first half of the '70s when the capacity of Clyde Williams Field, where ISU played its games, was about 34,000? If I confused anybody by not specifically saying "late '70s," I apologize. I kinda took it for granted that's what we were talking about because Trice didn't open until '75.

What I was trying to say is pretty simple.

1. I would be surprised if there were even half a dozen times in the '70s when both teams were playing at home on the same day and ISU sold more tickets;

2. Much more frequently than that, more people were in the stands at Trice than at Kinnick. I was challenged to prove this, which of course is impossible.....just as it's impossible to disprove it. It's an opinion based on my experience. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm certainly prejudiced. But I also was in a position to make a judgment. I had season tickets at ISU and attended pretty much every game. I attended at least one game every year in Iowa City and talked about the Hawkeye program frequently with fans and with sportswriters who covered them, and living in Cedar Rapids, I was deluged with media coverage of the program. I would imagine I'm in a better position to form an opinion on the matter than most, if not all, the others who have been commenting here.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I included the entire decade because it was said Commings era and I decided to include the entire decade because Iowa was bad for the entire decade. With your unique position to provide your opinion please educate me on the disparity of numbers that were reported. Did Iowa lie and inflate their numbers? Was ISU incompetent and just couldn't count? With the spread in ticket sales as wide as it is there must be some fundamental reason for the disparity. Sorry if I am not going with the 'LC says so' I am surprised your reporter friends allowed the crowds to be so poorly reported. Even a little disclaimer in an article like 'a paid crowd of 27,000 but actually an over flow crowd of 49,000 was at the ISU game, read the articles, went to the games as well, don't recall that being mentioned. So share the details if you will.

 

[Coyote8]

IM sure a lot of purple in Ames helped add to that number.

Plus they gave away lots of tickets, and cheap jr.cyclone tickets for kids and parents on the hillside.