ISU projected to have a bigger crowd than us.....

[Lone Clone]

I find at least a couple of interesting items in your post, LC. First, I am curious as to the actual game where those 36,690 'fans' bought tickets to an isu game at Clyde Williams. When did that occur?

Secondly, I can distinctly recall (as I am sure you can too, if you are the least bit honest) a time when isu had such difficulties quantifying and discerning the number of seats and capacity of jack Trice Stadium. It was at a time when the isu athletic administration was claiming annual attendance exceeding the capacity of the venue by considerable amounts. It is a shame that they could not have relied upon you to provide them with the actual numbers (seats) back then.

1. Nov. 11, 1972....#3 Nebraska 23, #17 Iowa State 23. Cyclone placekicker Tom Goedjen missed the PAT for the only time in his career with a minute to play, letting the Huskers preserve the tie. Paid attendance 36,690. Earlier that season ISU drew 35,893 for Kansas State.

2. ISU wasn't having any trouble. There's never been any question of how many seats were in the stadium. The university was listing capacity as the number of reserved seats and was listing attendance as the number of tickets sold, which included standing room of around 10,000 in the four corner hillsides. So obviously, sometimes attendance exceeded 100% of capacity. The NCAA subsequently asked members to list capacity as the number of spectators who could be crammed into the venue, seats or not, and ISU complied.

 

[5Fan5]

1. Nov. 11, 1972....#3 Nebraska 23, #17 Iowa State 23. Cyclone placekicker Tom Goedjen missed the PAT for the only time in his career with a minute to play, letting the Huskers preserve the tie. Paid attendance 36,690. Earlier that season ISU drew 35,893 for Kansas State.

Well, I could be mistaken here, but play along with me here. How is it that there are published figures indicating that for the very season you cite, a grand total of 166,106 'fans' (aka: people purchasing tickets) are of record for the five-game home slate in Ames? Are you saying that there were 36,690 fans in Williams for that game? Same for Kansas State - are you saying there were 35,893 tickets SOLD or that there were 35,893 people at the game?

2. ISU wasn't having any trouble. There's never been any question of how many seats were in the stadium. The university was listing capacity as the number of reserved seats and was listing attendance as the number of tickets sold, which included standing room of around 10,000 in the four corner hillsides. So obviously, sometimes attendance exceeded 100% of capacity. The NCAA subsequently asked members to list capacity as the number of spectators who could be crammed into the venue, seats or not, and ISU complied.

Sure they (isu and its many fans that frequent this message board) were. It was a topic of several threads for the years/seasons it existed and the expected questions arose following isu's claims of regularly and routinely exceeding capacity while it was commonly known that there were noticeable vacancies in the stands at isu games. The question was asked many times without any definitive answer coming forth from you.

Now, if it was all NCAA (isu is never culpable in anything of this nature, are they) and the mandate is so well recognized now, how is it that there are still some teams showing an excess of capacity for attendance at their stadiums?

 

[Lone Clone]

Sure they (isu and its many fans that frequent this message board) were. It was a topic of several threads for the years/seasons it existed and the expected questions arose following isu's claims of regularly and routinely exceeding capacity while it was commonly known that there were noticeable vacancies in the stands at isu games. The question was asked many times without any definitive answer coming forth from you.

Now, if it was all NCAA (isu is never culpable in anything of this nature, are they) and the mandate is so well recognized now, how is it that there are still some teams showing an excess of capacity for attendance at their stadiums?

That simply isn't true. Sorry. There's no reason nobody would have answered, since everybody knew the answer. The official capacity didn't include standing room.

Now, if you mean that nobody explained to your satisfaction why the official capacity wasn't the same as the actual capacity, you may well be right. But Psyclone has now answered that question.

I do not know why some schools would be listing attendance in excess of capacity. Perhaps you should ask someone from one of those schools. Which schools are doing that?

 

[cidhawkeye]

Feel free to ask those other schools, maybe they will be willing to give a direct answer. It would be a refreshing change.

 

[Lone Clone]

Feel free to ask those other schools, maybe they will be willing to give a direct answer. It would be a refreshing change.

You have been given a direct answer on several occasions by at least two posters in this thread.

Why are you reluctant to name the schools that claim more attendance than capacity?

 

[HobbieHawk]

61,500 in Ames.

59,450 official box score in IC.

Happened just about every time in the B Commings era.

Could they get that many into the Clyde?

 

[Psyclone]

You have been given a direct answer on several occasions by at least two posters in this thread.

Why are you reluctant to name the schools that claim more attendance than capacity?

I am confused. I had participated in this thread thinking cidhawkeye was a reasonable guy to have a discussion with. I may have mistaken him for someone else. That's not surprising as I am not good at remembering names. Has cid been out of character on this thread or have I mistaken him for someone else?

 

[cidhawkeye]

You have been given a direct answer on several occasions by at least two posters in this thread.

Why are you reluctant to name the schools that claim more attendance than capacity?

I am not the one who brought up attendance over capacity. Nice try.

I am not asking others I am asking you LC. You stated 'much more frequently' can you provide what % of games that would entail in the time frame we discussed?

Also you stayed the ACTUAL ATTENDANCE difference was 'significent' can you place a numerical value on that?

This is a multiple time request you have failed to address.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I am confused. I had participated in this thread thinking cidhawkeye was a reasonable guy to have a discussion with. I may have mistaken him for someone else. That's not surprising as I am not good at remembering names. Has cid been out of character on this thread or have I mistaken him for someone else?

Lol... You be on the other side of LC's opinions presented as facts, failure to provide his criteria, cherry picking of examples, parsing of words, deflections and inability to answer questions followed by the 'I am older and know people who know things so in spite of the facts this opinion is true and you are a poopy head' I can picture him now crossing his arms and thinking of a deflection.

 

[Lone Clone]

I am not the one who brought up attendance over capacity. Nice try.

I am not asking others I am asking you LC. You stated 'much more frequently' can you provide what % of games that would entail in the time frame we discussed?

Also you stayed the ACTUAL ATTENDANCE difference was 'significent' can you place a numerical value on that?

This is a multiple time request you have failed to address.

Yes, you are.

And why don't you give it up? There's a game being played today. You know you screwed the pooch in the attendance discussion. Move along, move along.......

 

[cidhawkeye]

Yes, you are.

And why don't you give it up? There's a game being played today. You know you screwed the pooch in the attendance discussion. Move along, move along.......

Heck 5fan5 even left it in bold above. You better stick to counting people at games you don't attend.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? As the only one who has presented the certified statistics I am good with carrying on.

What is your criteria for 'much more frequently' for the time period we are reviewing?

What is the numerical value of 'significant' for the same time period?

If it is easier for you at your advanced age I can make these multiple choice questions since you appear to be struggling to provide any answer.

 

[Lone Clone]

Heck 5fan5 even left it in bold above. You better stick to counting people at games you don't attend.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? As the only one who has presented the certified statistics I am good with carrying on.

What is your criteria for 'much more frequently' for the time period we are reviewing?

What is the numerical value of 'significant' for the same time period?

If it is easier for you at your advanced age I can make these multiple choice questions since you appear to be struggling to provide any answer.

cidhawkeye, I don't know why this discussion has derailed you so badly. You have usually been pretty rational in the past. In this one, you've been reduced to gibberish, off-topic remarks and, of course, personal attacks.

I really think you need to catch your breath, take a timeout.

I'll help.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

cidhawkeye, I don't know why this discussion has derailed you so badly. You have usually been pretty rational in the past. In this one, you've been reduced to gibberish, off-topic remarks and, of course, personal attacks.

I really think you need to catch your breath, take a timeout.

I'll help.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[cidhawkeye]

cidhawkeye, I don't know why this discussion has derailed you so badly. You have usually been pretty rational in the past. In this one, you've been reduced to gibberish, off-topic remarks and, of course, personal attacks.

I really think you need to catch your breath, take a timeout.

I'll help.

Your statement 'happened much more frequently' please quantify that.

'Significent amount' please place a numerical value on this.

Staying on point, just provide the information requested.