It's BS that Michigan State is NOT in the Top 4!!!

[Cubhawk1]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

 

[Fly4444]

If you are going to talk about the "screw job" why not also talk about the freak fumble win against Michigan?

Personally I think it's more BS that we are 4 behind two teams with a loss but that's just my opinion.

 

[soybean]

What really would have been nice is if Michigan State could have come into Saturday's game undefeated too.

 

[Cubhawk1]

If you are going to talk about the "screw job" why not also talk about the freak fumble win against Michigan?

Personally I think it's more BS that we are 4 behind two teams with a loss but that's just my opinion.

A freak fumble is not a screw job. And I agree about two one loss teams ahead of a Power 5 undefeated... makes zero sense... Go Hawks

 

[nu2u]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

You're right IMO.

Critics who favor MSU in the top 4 point to Iowa as the unworthy culprit when they should be directing fire at Alabama and/or Oklahoma. Fact of the matter, Iowa is an easier target because it does not have the historical or national cache of those two teams. IMO Oklahoma actually has a legitimate case based on their play over the final few weeks. Alabama is rated because of Saban.

 

[revkev73]

Michigan State has one loss like lots of teams...Memphis, Houston...et. al...that's why...

Tough to go 12-0...only two did it.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

Last play? It was 3rd down.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Oklahoma should have been punished by dropping them out of the top 20- when they lost to TX

they might as well have lost to Centerville iowa high school

 

[yerpHAWK]

Jeff Long said one of the reasons North Carolina wasn't higher was cause of their loss to South Carolina. So Oklahoma just gets a pass for losing to Texas?

 

[pkaul666]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

Gmafb! The series prior Msu commuted obvious pi in end zone and wasn't called. Both teams had issues with officials.

 

[pkaul666]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

I don't buy Oklahoma but? Can't think another team more deserving. I hope unc gets in if they beat Clemson.

 

[LincolnHawkeye]

Jeff Long said one of the reasons North Carolina wasn't higher was cause of their loss to South Carolina. So Oklahoma just gets a pass for losing to Texas?

The real reason UNC isn't higher is because they really haven't beaten anyone. Their best win might be over Pitt.

 

[J_Heater]

A freak fumble is not a screw job. And I agree about two one loss teams ahead of a Power 5 undefeated... makes zero sense... Go Hawks

Actually it was. The hit the center on the snap which is illegal, they committed a hold on the return. None of which was called.

however, to answer the question you asked, the reason Sparty is not ahead of Oklahoma because Oklahoma has the right name on the jersey. Oklahoma is a traditional power and Michigan State is not. It's that simple. It's why they can't forgive North Carolina's loss to South Carolina but can Oklahoma's loss to Texas.

Not sure why it matters. Iowa and Michigan State is a play in game.

 

[ABYPFCS]

Not sure why it matters. Iowa and Michigan State is a play in game.

This. Until the final four are actually selected, it makes no difference. If MSU were #4 and Iowa dropped to #5, it would have no affect on the final outcome, but I am sure there would have been a melt down here.

Personally, I think Clemson would be an easier game than Alabama or Oklahoma for the Hawks.

 

[Packer54]

The real reason UNC isn't higher is because they really haven't beaten anyone. Their best win might be over Pitt.

And in non conference their schedule was bad....committee can't afford to set a precedence for teams to schedule 2 sub division teams.

 

[thewop]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

I was just purely hoping MSU would jump Iowa just for motivation's sake and playing up the underdog role. As I noted in the other thread, I believe Iowa will jump OU, and possibly even Bama with a win this weekend (due to 2 top 15 W's and no losses).

And then if somehow UNC Beats Clemson, then....one can dream right?

 

[Lone Clone]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

They both lost to bad teams. Oklahoma beat four teams ranked in the top 25, compared to three for Michigan State. It's a close call, but it makes sense. Especially since three of OU's wins over ranked teams came in the final month of the season and two of them were on the road.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Jeff Long said one of the reasons North Carolina wasn't higher was cause of their loss to South Carolina. So Oklahoma just gets a pass for losing to Texas?

Yup this is the glaring issue with this new committee playoff. I am sorry but no matter what, the Human element is going to be wrong or have a bias opinion on some things and everyone in that committee knows it.

Texas was god awful this year and yes the upset OU. But they finished 4-8 and got curb stomped by ISU.

Nebbie 5-7 beat MSU on a "fluke" play. I agree the officials did get the call right (watched the national coordinator of officials defend the play). But still MSU should of never been in that situation to begin with.

Bama Im sorry but their schedule is weak sauce and the entire SEC is terrible. 1 team in the top 15?? HOLY crap this from a league that started the year with 8 in the top 20!!!!

My personal opinion if chaos happens and the following scenarios play out. UNC beats Clemson, Florida beats Bama, and USC beats Stanford. Then committee will have its hands full. I could see it playing out like this.

1. Oklahoma
2. Iowa/MSU winner
3. OSU
4. ?? ND/Stanford/BTC loser??

I just do not see how you can bump UNC up from 10-4 with their weak schedule and there "terrible" loss to SC. Would they put in a 2 loss ND team? 3 loss Stanford team? FSU??

 

[swihawk]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

Where rankings are concerned, it is always better to lose early rather than late. OU lost earlier to a bad Texas team, MSU lost late to a bad nebby team.

Moot however since MSU, like Iowa, controls its own destiny.

 

[MNSpartan1]

If you are going to talk about the "screw job" why not also talk about the freak fumble win against Michigan?

Personally I think it's more BS that we are 4 behind two teams with a loss but that's just my opinion.

Screw job? Maybe wrong choice of words but the only people that got screwed on that play were the Michigan players for getting screwed by their coach. Who in their right mind would not call a Punt Safe on that play? Pressure contributed to that fumbled snap. That's coaching.

 

[BleedingBlack-Gold]

The only material factor is that MSU is one of approximately four teams (Clemson, Alabama, Iowa) left in all of college football that controls its own destiny. I don't count Oklahoma as they have already punched their ticket to the semifinals.

 

[Scherrman]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

I thought that final play sucked just as much as anyone but if MSU truly was such a better team then why did the game come down to that play? shouldn't a superior Spartan team been up by at least at that point in the game?

 

[FullTilt]

They both lost to bad teams. Oklahoma beat four teams ranked in the top 25, compared to three for Michigan State. It's a close call, but it makes sense. Especially since three of OU's wins over ranked teams came in the final month of the season and two of them were on the road.

This. I'm not sure why people are so confused. Oklahoma might have a worst loss than Michigan St but they also have a lot of very good wins.....most happening in the last month.

 

[redghost1974]

If you are going to talk about the "screw job" why not also talk about the freak fumble win against Michigan?

Personally I think it's more BS that we are 4 behind two teams with a loss but that's just my opinion.

Michigan should have never been in that situation if not for Harbaugh. The should have managed the clock better, and when they saw 11 Spartans on the line with no return man,they should have called timeout or changed formation. That win was determined by the smarter coach.

 

[cedarvalleykid14]

Big Ten with 3 teams in top 6. Domination. So whatever happened to those boys in the South? Do they still play football down there? What does Mr.Bielema think about that?

 

[Titanhawk2]

how in the world can the "Committee" put Oklahoma (who lost to a terrible team -TX),
and Alabama, who lost at HOME, be ahead of a 11-1 Michigan State team that's only loss was a last play "screw job" at Neby..? just askin? Thoughts..?

It also doesn't matter until Sunday morning. They have basically said a Big Ten team will be in the top 4

 

[Lone Clone]

This. I'm not sure why people are so confused. Oklahoma might have a worst loss than Michigan St but they also have a lot of very good wins.....most happening in the last month.

Part of the confusion, I think, stems from the way the Big XII schedule played out this year, with all the top teams playing each other in the last month. Teams that were Top Ten -- Baylor, TCU, Okie State -- lose to one another and drop in the ratings. You can argue they shouldn't have been there in the first place, of course, but we're talking about perceptions here.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

OU has ROAD wins over:

10-2 Baylor
10-2 OSU
8-4 Tennessee
5-6 KSU (not great but still a road win over a possible bowl team)

and they beat TCU.

MSU doesn't have that resume.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

MSU has wins over:

11-1 @ #6 OSU
9-3 #15 Oregon
9-3 @ #16 MICH
7-5 PSU

OU has wins over:

#11 TCU
@ #12 Baylor
@ #17 OSU
@ #25 Tennessee

So right now it looks like OU has the better resume per say. But OU lost to Texas (4-7 gonna be 4-8). MSU lost to Nebbie (5-7). So they are pretty close in resumes. I think OU is getting credit for winning against the "back-up qb's" I mean they have faced 3 straight back up qbs.

 

[hawkeyeharv]

What's wrong with Centerville.... lol

Oklahoma should have been punished by dropping them out of the top 20- when they lost to TX

they might as well have lost to Centerville iowa high school

haha

 

[Lone Clone]

MSU has wins over:

11-1 @ #6 OSU
9-3 #15 Oregon
9-3 @ #16 MICH
7-5 PSU

OU has wins over:

#11 TCU
@ #12 Baylor
@ #17 OSU
@ #25 Tennessee

So right now it looks like OU has the better resume per say. But OU lost to Texas (4-7 gonna be 4-8). MSU lost to Nebbie (5-7). So they are pretty close in resumes. I think OU is getting credit for winning against the "back-up qb's" I mean they have faced 3 straight back up qbs.

Yes, that's a fact. But coming from a man of a team that faced 12 straight back-up coaches......

Nah. Some of them were first-year guys, not lame ducks.

But seriously, folks......there's no question injuries have killed TCU this year, and that both TCU and Baylor had legitmate Heisman candidates at QB before injuries.

 

[BubsFinn]

A freak fumble is not a screw job. And I agree about two one loss teams ahead of a Power 5 undefeated... makes zero sense... Go Hawks

To be honest, the Nebraska out of bounds touchdown was the real screwjob. MSU should be undefeated.

 

[Scherrman]

To be honest, the Nebraska out of bounds touchdown was the real screwjob. MSU should be undefeated.

According to the rules it was not. MSU score a TD the exact same way against PSU Saturday as well. Like I said earlier, if MSU was so much better than Nebraska they should not have been in a position to lose there.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

To be honest, the Nebraska out of bounds touchdown was the real screwjob. MSU should be undefeated.

MSU was lucky actually. It was 3rd down. If they call illegal touching, it's 5 yards and loss of down. Of course on 4th they could lose, or they could get a 1st, or score. If they don't get a 1st game over, if they get a 1st or score, more time burns off the clock. No illegal touching meant MSU got the ball back with a chance to win.

 

[SpartanJD]

OU has ROAD wins over:

10-2 Baylor
10-2 OSU
8-4 Tennessee
5-6 KSU (not great but still a road win over a possible bowl team)

and they beat TCU.

MSU doesn't have that resume.

Our two road wins over UM and OSU plus Oregon at home are the best 3 wins of anyone.

OU plays Baylor without starting QB and Oklahoma State is a fraud.

Plus their loss is worse. Texas beat their ass a full 60 minutes.

This committee is showing favoritism to blue bloods.

Any doubt in your mind Iowa is #1 or 2 if they were called Michigan or Ohio St?

 

[hawkssox1]

Yup this is the glaring issue with this new committee playoff. I am sorry but no matter what, the Human element is going to be wrong or have a bias opinion on some things and everyone in that committee knows it.

Texas was god awful this year and yes the upset OU. But they finished 4-8 and got curb stomped by ISU.

Nebbie 5-7 beat MSU on a "fluke" play. I agree the officials did get the call right (watched the national coordinator of officials defend the play). But still MSU should of never been in that situation to begin with.

Bama Im sorry but their schedule is weak sauce and the entire SEC is terrible. 1 team in the top 15?? HOLY crap this from a league that started the year with 8 in the top 20!!!!

My personal opinion if chaos happens and the following scenarios play out. UNC beats Clemson, Florida beats Bama, and USC beats Stanford. Then committee will have its hands full. I could see it playing out like this.

1. Oklahoma
2. Iowa/MSU winner
3. OSU
4. ?? ND/Stanford/BTC loser??

I just do not see how you can bump UNC up from 10-4 with their weak schedule and there "terrible" loss to SC. Would they put in a 2 loss ND team? 3 loss Stanford team? FSU??

Florida WILL NOT beat Alabama the other two are possible.

 

[neversurrender]

Florida WILL NOT beat Alabama the other two are possible.

But how much fun would it be to see the committee trying to explain why Florida is jumping over everyone into the playoff. Or why even though they lost Bama, actually moves up to 1 because you know it's a good loss.

On the flip side had a buddy of mine say something that really did make me wonder. If we would lose this weekend and with how down every media outlet has been so down on the team all year would we fall out of the top 10 with a loss?

 

[hawkssox1]

But how much fun would it be to see the committee trying to explain why Florida is jumping over everyone into the playoff. Or why even though they lost Bama, actually moves up to 1 because you know it's a good loss.

On the flip side had a buddy of mine say something that really did make me wonder. If we would lose this weekend and with how down every media outlet has been so down on the team all year would we fall out of the top 10 with a loss?

Shouldn't but doesn't mean wont.

 

[Scherrman]

Florida WILL NOT beat Alabama the other two are possible.

Now you sound like all the clowns that say Iowa WILL NOT beat MSU.

 

[hawkssox1]

Now you sound like all the clowns that say Iowa WILL NOT beat MSU.

Wager?