Somehow don't see Connor leaping Gatens
Jack McCaffery
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I'm not even going to touch that first part, but the logical explanation as to why Kris didn't play ahead of Patrick is because Kris was our only real backup center behind Rebraca. Now I think most people agree that this isn't Kris' natural position, but it was the reality of the situation. JO and Mulvey weren't ready for real minutes, so Kris took one for the team and played the backup 5 role while also being Keegan's main sub. This also contributed to Kris' foul issues since he was often tasked with guarding guys who were often taller and heavier than him. Meaning his minutes were even more limited due to foul issues.
Kris' minutes from last year is a tired argument and one that I often hear only from folks who didn't pay attention to line-ups closely last year. Could Kris have played the 3? Sure. But that wasn't really the greatest need on the team--that was the backup 5 man.
IF Billy Taylor is successful as head coach at Elon or wherever else he may land in the next 7 years or so, he's by far more qualified than Connor, Gatens, or Eldridge IMO if you keep it in the Hawkeye family.
He's actually had some pretty good success turning programs around to be in the upper tier of their respective conferences including one NCAA tourney birth at Lehigh. The only one of the above to have head coaching experience and has had experience as Iowa assistant for 6 seasons. He's from the Chicago area - a key recruiting area for the Hawks and also played big time ball at Notre Dame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Taylor_(basketball)
I believe Taylor was instrumental in bringing in some quality Iowa recruits too. I certainly stand to be corrected on this as I really don't follow recruiting that closely - especially at the assistant coach / lead recruiter level.
He's actually had some pretty good success turning programs around to be in the upper tier of their respective conferences including one NCAA tourney birth at Lehigh. The only one of the above to have head coaching experience and has had experience as Iowa assistant for 6 seasons. He's from the Chicago area - a key recruiting area for the Hawks and also played big time ball at Notre Dame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Taylor_(basketball)
I believe Taylor was instrumental in bringing in some quality Iowa recruits too. I certainly stand to be corrected on this as I really don't follow recruiting that closely - especially at the assistant coach / lead recruiter level.
I don't know. Sounds kind of logical, but I just don't see why Kris couldn't start at the 3 and then move to the 5 (or 4) if needed there.
And Connor played almost as many MPG as Kris, and his box +/- (BPM) was 3.7 compared to Kris's 9.1 (2nd only to Keegan).
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You are so full of shit.
He is, no question about it. I sit right behind the Iowa bench and let me tell you I have heard Fran absolutely rip on Patrick or Connor from time to time about as bad as can be. They make mistakes like any player and they are called out for them.
You are a piece of work. Two whoppers of outright lies. You should be banned.
Kris' minutes much like Keegan's as a freshman were also impacted by foul trouble. Because they both were aggressive defenders , unlike P-Mac, thus got into foul trouble more often. Battling in the post more also had that effect.
Obvious troll is obvious.
You guys are so spot on. My guess, he's just making it up. You can hear and quite easily see when F Mac is pissed at Connor or Patrick even on television. Like I said on another post, just another bitcher seeking to add a maggot to the stinking pile of sour grapes.
Absolutely. Those stories he told are completely fabricated. I know someone who was in the wedding party and they completely refuted his characterization.
Nepotism is everywhere. I have experienced it at both of my jobs. Now I get to enjoy it football and basketball season too.
That is just silly. Patrick is very much an aggressive defender, just better at avoiding fouls, like .7 fouls per game. Who'd have guessed, Patrick being the son of a P5 coach and all. Kind of like Connor's unreal A/TO ratio or uncanny ability to be in the right place at the right time.
Kris had almost 4 times as many fouls, 2.5, which is actually quite a few fouls. How much time did Kris miss last year due to foul trouble? How much time did Kris miss because he is a poor free throw shooter (64.5). I attribute that to nerves and inexperience. That limits late game minutes because that is the average of the guy the other team wants to foul. Would not be surprised to see that jump about 15-20% higher because he's got such good looking shooting form
In reality they're both good defenders and cover an immense amount of space when on the floor together. Both will get better at most aspects of their game. They were both inconsistent, although Kris was less consistent, last year given his higher ceiling. This year I think we will see a very different set of players and the game by game lines will not be all over the board like last year.
Kris was 5th in minutes on the team in conference play and did so while having a per40 average of 5.5 fouls. If you don't think fouls impacted his minute averages drastically, I don't know what to tell you. If you look at the game logs of the second half of last year, Kris played less than 15 minutes 4 times: 30+ point win @ MD, Michigan 14 minutes fouled out, Northwestern 9 minutes 4 fouls, Purdue BTT game 14 minutes 4 fouls. Clearly the refs are practicing nepotism by calling fouls on Kris and not the McCafferys.
I don't know, I actually find it easy to believe,.. Listen to how the Iowa coaches and their kids get trashed on these boards, and in the local media, week in and week out. Personally, If I were in this situation I think I'd tell my kid to check out a more anonymous environment, away from the Hawkeye fan microscope.
I would not describe Patrick as a "good" or "aggressive" defender. I do agree on your other points.
Yeah I don't mind the Taylor option either. His emphasis on guarding the
I wouldn't mind Taylor either. His emphasis on guarding the ball during his time as Head Coach last season really helped turn the season around for the Hawks.
Other options off the top of my head (although a couple of them would never happen).
BJ Armstrong- would probably be my top choice of this list.
Nick Nurse- probably my second choice.
Darian Devries- probably my third choice.
Ryan Bowen.
Dean Oliver.
Steve Forbes.
Bruce Pearl
I love BJ's legacy but we do not want BJ. He's been too involved with professionals, agents and what we can call the kind of dirty underbelly of professional sports, especially basketball which has always had more "ethical problems". Not accusing BJ of any of that per se but he was probably around some dirty dealings. That creates a risk of blowback.
Bruce Pearl, who I do know personally is a hell of a lot fun and clearly a good coach. Kind of the same problem as BJ. Bruce brings a lot of baggage, including at Iowa. Bruce will be damn near retirement age himself when F Mac retires.
Devries will have already moved into a better coaching gig, he may not have mutual interest with Iowa.
A future coach from inside the Hawkeye family should bring some loyalty with him. The guy wins he may not be looking for a better job. I know DeanO is up in Badgerland but have not kept up with Ryan.
One thing I do know about DeanO, Matt G and Connor. They were all very basketball smart and excellent students so just generally pretty smart guys. That always helps.
Not putting up line drives or shooting off balance prayers like 5 and 22 would definitely be a plus.
With respect to wanting children to play where they won't be exposed to social media abuse, which is actually no place, you should renew your acquaintance with Kipling.
Three conclusions: The McC's are men, they need to act like men. That mean's taking a lot of shit throughout one's life without curling up cuz of mean tweets (and I am not saying they have). Men do not allow their mothers to fight their battles. If mean social media is the worst thing a man has to endure in his life he will have lived a blessed life free of serious crises. Patty McC faced and survived cancer for Christ's sake. You think he's really all that effected by mean social media?
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
Three conclusions: The McC's are men, they need to act like men. That mean's taking a lot of shit throughout one's life without curling up cuz of mean tweets (and I am not saying they have). Men do not allow their mothers to fight their battles. If mean social media is the worst thing a man has to endure in his life he will have lived a blessed life free of serious crises. Patty McC faced and survived cancer for Christ's sake. You think he's really all that effected by mean social media?
