He does. An incoming Freshman. I think even Joe knows that
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Or top 25 turnovers. Joe's Tazmanian Devil style put him in awkward positions. He dribbled to deep on many offensive sets. I always cringed when he shot the ball.
I'll miss him, but not that much.
Or do game winners………
The guy with the most game winners/buzzer beaters in an Iowa uniform (during my lifetime) is considered too passive. The most made threes in an Iowa game and B1G history, isn’t aggressive enough?
I am sorry Joe decided to not stay and fight for the starting position. Joe was a solid defender.
This sucks for everyone complaining what JoeT wasn't lets not forget what he was. A quick pg, who pushed the ball and played great D on the other teams guards. Why some ask why some Iowa fans love Joe so much is because we went years without having a guard that possessed these traits and watched for years the other teams PGs blow past our guards. I always wondered if CJ announced his transfer sooner and Jbo announced he was coming back last year this time would that have influenced JoeT to leave a year sooner?
All I know Fran needs to embrace the portal. Try and get some impact guys not role guys. Few times we've dipped our toes in we got Evelyn and Rebraca who have been good additions fill needs on the roster for depth. However look at guys we've lost starters with Nunge, CJ and JoeT. Fran needs to go out and do what ISU did and get a guy like Brockington. ISU doesn't come close to making the tourney without him. We need someone who can be one of our top 3 scorers next year (yes I know easier said then done) but point is Fran needs to start casting his line going after some big fish for once.
All I know Fran needs to embrace the portal. Try and get some impact guys not role guys. Few times we've dipped our toes in we got Evelyn and Rebraca who have been good additions fill needs on the roster for depth. However look at guys we've lost starters with Nunge, CJ and JoeT. Fran needs to go out and do what ISU did and get a guy like Brockington. ISU doesn't come close to making the tourney without him. We need someone who can be one of our top 3 scorers next year (yes I know easier said then done) but point is Fran needs to start casting his line going after some big fish for once.
YES, perkins won a few games...like at Nebraska. JoeT also won some games with his defense an let us not forget he hit game winner vs Virginia, which was key win.
I will miss JoeT and I think he was an above average player for B1G, someone we didn't want to lose.
Yeah, I think JoeT could have played al lot more and MAYBE enough to keep him happy. JBO certainly helped the offense, but got abused on defense, so it really is unclear that JBO was key to the Iowa streak....JBO could have done a lot of that scoring coming off the bench for 15-20 min per game and keeping Joet at closer to 20 min.
I do think this transfer was consequence of Fran going back on his word....he had told ulis and JoeT that it was their team to run, and JBO was going to play shooting guard.. To close every game crunch time, it was always JBO and CMAC. If I was JoeT, I would not trust Fran to play me my senior year.
Fran has been averaging around 1.5 out-transfers of recruited players per year for last 5 years....all of them were originally out of state recruits. If I had to guess, I thought it would be JoeT or Ulis this spring.....we could still lose Ulis, especially if CMAC returns.
Loved his D and his heart
He seemed to never get the offensive side under control enough for Fran's liking it seemed.
Here is to him finding the wet spot on the floor somewhere else.
He seemed to never get the offensive side under control enough for Fran's liking it seemed.
Here is to him finding the wet spot on the floor somewhere else.
same rating as Joe, twice the offers, maybe a little more under control
Your love for Fran is blinding you it is amazing how so many fans think Fran never makes a mistake and never mis-manages playing time/treatment of any of his players, and that CMAC/PMAC did not get special treatment.
Fran basically lied to the kid, brought back JBO as 2guard, then moved JBO back over to PG and sat JoeT on the bench...there were games JoeT only played a few minutes, and games where he played great in 1st half and barely saw minutes in 2nd half. He was misused if Fran's goal was to keep him...
I will miss JoeT because he put more effort on defense than anyone on the team. Ulis is probably 2nd, so maybe Fran made the decision it was okay to potentially lose one and play JBO big minutes at PG.
Hopefully losing JoeT is it for off season portal losses.....I don't have much hope for a meaningful portal recruit just because Fran hasn't shown either an inclination or skill to bring in much so far.
Who was the highly rated recruit that played with Bowen? Iowa was interested in.
and a complete unknown...
I hope Bowen comes in as a freshman and is immediately an impact player. That's typically not the way it works for freshman point guards in the Big Ten, though. There will be some growing pains.
People are putting a lot of expectations on Bowen being the PG starter and playing big minutes. A player of the year like Keegan Murray didn't even get big minutes as a freshman. I'd say temper your expectations and hope Perkins and Ulis make great strides in the off-season. I think you're going to see a lot of them next year.
I'm pretty optimistic Bowen will be good for Iowa and really excited when we got him. However give me the senior who has been through the Big 10 battles over the freshman any day of the week.
This doesn't have to be anyone's "fault".
Would have liked him to stay, but that's how college basketball works today. Joe is a very talented player, but I don't think he ran the team very well from the PG position, and I think that is the primary reason is playing time was limited.
Good player, seems like a good guy. Hope he finds a fit and does well.
Would have liked him to stay, but that's how college basketball works today. Joe is a very talented player, but I don't think he ran the team very well from the PG position, and I think that is the primary reason is playing time was limited.
Good player, seems like a good guy. Hope he finds a fit and does well.
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Hate to lose Joe..good luck to him.
As for his minutes this year, Fran started him for 2/3rds of the season...Fran did not mislead him.
It was his team for much of the year which left us sitting at 4-6 in the league on Feb 1.
Fran assessed our performance and made a change(which his critics had been screaming for)
and the Hawks rip off a 12-2 run.
Not saying that benching Joe was the only factor in that run but clearly something clicked when he came off the bench rather than starting.
Joe was a great teammate who did not bitch about his demotion...wish him success ..he has talent.
As for his minutes this year, Fran started him for 2/3rds of the season...Fran did not mislead him.
It was his team for much of the year which left us sitting at 4-6 in the league on Feb 1.
Fran assessed our performance and made a change(which his critics had been screaming for)
and the Hawks rip off a 12-2 run.
Not saying that benching Joe was the only factor in that run but clearly something clicked when he came off the bench rather than starting.
Joe was a great teammate who did not bitch about his demotion...wish him success ..he has talent.
They both had the same amount of game winners this year, and Joe T did it sooner and with much less minutes. Also less of a lucky shot. How many game winners did JBo take and miss? More than one... Toussaint took one and made one. Much higher success rate than bohannon.
Dasonte plays on the same AAU squad as TJ Power, who is a 4*. Taylor Bowen is a higher ranked 4* and they play on the same high school team
Amen. It's amazing the double standards some fans and Fran have when comparing certain players to others. It's almost a good thing that the nepotism overshadows other possible issues in Fran's program..... Almost.
Always will be impressed by how Joe T. carried himself as a Hawkeye. Best of luck in his new adventures. Joe T. will be a winner in life with his attitude......
Bummed but not super bummed. Give Bowen the keys early and see how he does.
Doesn't have to be anyone's fault, but it was 100% Fran's fault.
Thanks for actually talking basketball.
I agree that Fran is a great offensive mind but he has never found a capable shooter off of screens. Joe W was close but the rest have been poor at best. Fran needs a guy like sasha stefanovich that can shoot coming off screens at a fast pace. There was a reason jbo couldn't get shots off against good defenders and that's because we don't shoot off screens well. Change that and maybe jbo gets more open looks.
AS far as transition offense. Look at teams that give Iowa fits, they get back on defense and limit transition points. Richmond did just that, they gave up on offensive rebounds to stop transition, t worked for the most part.
Over the years of watching sports, I have those "favorite" players that aren't necessarily the best player on the team but someone I almost root for a little more. Joe is one of those. Jarryd Cole was one. Tevaun Smith and Brandon Smith on the football side. Many others but those off the top of my head.
I am a big Joe T fan, and the way he performed and acted after being demoted and seeing less than 15 minutes a game the second half of the year is why. That dude could have pouted and been done. he came in and made an impact, was smiling and into the game on the bench and I will root for him wherever he goes.
I am a big Joe T fan, and the way he performed and acted after being demoted and seeing less than 15 minutes a game the second half of the year is why. That dude could have pouted and been done. he came in and made an impact, was smiling and into the game on the bench and I will root for him wherever he goes.
As others have said, Joey T was a hard working, great teammate who will be missed. He was a 3 star HS with not a lot of top tier programs courting him, so I think most were hoping Fran found a diamond in the rough (see Murray Twins). At the end of the day, he is just not that elite PG that seems to dodge a program like Iowa every year. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Anthony Clemons…
Clemmons found a dependable perimeter shot his senior year. That's exactly what I was hoping for this upcoming season out of JT and/or Ulis. Hopefully Ulis makes it happen.
Personally I don't have any special love for Fran, though I do appreciate the job he's doing at Iowa and wish more would do the same. We are average/front-running basketball fans who only fill the gym for goldilocks games (7pm tip on weekday against a name team, or weekend game), in a not-so-good recruiting location, with wholly mediocre facilities.
Of course Fran makes plenty of mistakes, but I don't think he gives special treatment to his sons. He wants to win, period. Connor only averaged 17 minutes per game this year, it's not like he was running out there all game. PMac got 24 minutes, and statistically filled the stat sheet solidly this year. Yes, he takes terrible runners/fadeaways and looks skinny, but he helps us win games.
As to other mismanagement of players, I imagine every coach faces this criticism. I don't always agree with his lineups but he's not perfect, shit happens in game speed.
His use of the portal has been what you'd expect out of Iowa. Bakari and Rebraca have given us a lift at times and have filled roster needs. To expect Iowa to score a big time player when being recruited by the entire country is asking a lot given the state of our program.
And expect to lose another player or two this off-season. That's how it goes these days.
Go Hawks.
I was a fan of Joe's. I loved his attitude and his hustle. I thought after the end of his Freshman year with his improved shooting, he was finally rounding into the PG we were looking for. But, in the end, Joe's feet were always travelling a few mph faster than his brain. Nevertheless, I'm sorry to see him go and wish him well at his next stop.
Freddie Brown? May not be as quick as he was, but I’ll bet he can still shoot
This might be a good move for Joe T. He may thrive on a team that emphasizes defense and has athletes at all 5 positions. He's a productive player.
Here's the question: are we really average? what is average? what is success?
After looking at all power 5, big east, and a10 coaches (2 non power 5 that play at a high level) that have been at their schools as long as fran (or within a year). Not counting coach K or Boeheim.
There are 16 coaches that fit that mold. drew/baylor, boyle/colorado, brownell/clemson, mcdermott/creighton, mcillop/davidson, hamilton/fsu, fran/iowa, larriniega/miami, altman/oregon, brey/ND, cooley/providence, painter/purdue, mooney/richmond, schmidt/st.bonnie, einfeld/usc, bennett/virginia.
Of those 16 only schmidt from st. Boneventure, Brownell/clemson and Boyle/colorado have not made the sweet 16. I think Brownell has dabo's success to thank for his job
Do you really not remember what occurred when McCaffery made the change and benched Joe? And you're saying instead, Joe should have played double the minutes? Do you really think Joe should have been playing 35 minutes a game just so he could have padded his stats?
I'm gonna call you Will Smith...
I hope Joe ends up at Drake or UNI (if they would be interested ) so we can continue to follow him..
As another poster stated, I really thought maybe Ulis would be transferring. He hardly got enough minutes to prove whether he could excel at this level or not. If his shooting had been better, he might have made a difference, but as it was, he spent a lot of time on the bench.
Take a pill. You sound like your boyfriend Truth reading things that aren’t there. . Someone stated that Joe was 96th in the nation in assists and 9th in steals. People tend to forget that statistics are a function of minutes played as well as player performance. I responded that Joe's statistics were derived from only 17 minutes of play. A lot of point guards play 30+ and it's likely Joe would have placed very highly in those categories had he played similar minutes.
I'm fine today. Still disappointed but on to the next one. Go Hawks
