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JRob

Well 5 of them are real easy to figure out based on their birth dates. The Gopher wrestling site listed all the birth dates and recently removed them, but you can still see them in cache view.
Okay, since it's no secret that I'm lazy when it comes to things like this, and since the birth dates wouldn't be RUMORS, can you just tell me right now whose names are associated with those birth dates?
 
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Okay, since it's no secret that I'm lazy when it comes to things like this, and since the birth dates wouldn't be RUMORS, can you just tell me right now whose names are associated with those birth dates?

Let's get the list started:

JRob - 19th century
 
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Let's get the list started:

JRob - 19th century
Okay, not sure how old dirt is, but he's older than that. I haven't heard anything to dispute a couple of the names that I believe Marion threw out... so would I be correct to say Lizak and Thorn are two of the culprits?
 
Both of their birthdates matched the ones listed in the police report.

9/19/95 matches Jack Bass who xferred to ODU at xmas break
1/22/97 matches Early
10/4/95 matches Lizak
9/12/95 matches Thorn
9/26/95 matches Krone
 
Yikes, 3 starters. I figure the remaining 4 will no longer be with the university. Hopefully they are able to enroll somewhere else and get there life going in a positive direction again.
 
Both of their birthdates matched the ones listed in the police report.

9/19/95 matches Jack Bass who xferred to ODU at xmas break
1/22/97 matches Early
10/4/95 matches Lizak
9/12/95 matches Thorn
9/26/95 matches Krone
So the secrecy of the vanishing PBS has now been solved? All this joking about a potential transfer when we were giving him shit and it might turn out we were right? Absolutely PRICELESS!
 
What I was alluding to is how, on many occasions, we have conversations and say stuff to be a bit sarcastic and funny. Seldom do we say these things with any malice towards anyone. PBS always took our ribbing and usually came back with a jab of his own.

The "priceless" reference was referring to something that may have been said in jest and just might end up being what actually happens.

I don't wish misfortune on that family in this instance.

So I apologize if some took it wrong!

We all know this is bad from a wrestler/wrestling standpoint.
 
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It's nothing to celebrate. Let's give him some space. I'm sure this is difficult enough for the families involved.
I am proud of how Hawkeye fans have taken the high road in this situation. That would not be the case if the roles were reversed.
 
Agreed IA fans have been rather cordial.

I bet 2plus2 is real proud of his first post ever.
 
Agreed IA fans have been rather cordial.

I bet 2plus2 is real proud of his first post ever.

Meh...It was based on a report released to the public. One thing to spout rumors, which we haven't done, but it's another take a fact and talk about it. Kind of like speculating about certain wrestlers leaving a program because not enough rooms at the Inn. When they do for sure, it's news.
 
I don't see anything wrong with posting the names since it is public record. These young men will all get a 2nd chance. It is up to them to take advantage of it.
 
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Wasn't it April Fools day he joked about his son xferring to Iowa to train with metcalf? So may turn out it wasn't completely an April fools.
 
I am referring to it being his first and only post. Also the clever 2plus2 username. Chief or another regular posts the same I just keep scrolling.
 
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The sad part is that these young men were likely all raised in a home with caring family members. It's too bad they got involved in a program that either ignored curious behavior or looked the other way.
 
The sad part is that these young men were likely all raised in a home with caring family members. It's too bad they got involved in a program that either ignored curious behavior or looked the other way.
I'm not going to blame a program or school for kids deciding to commit illegal acts. What I will blame is a program or school covering up for illegal behavior. As I read the police report, J performed a classic coverup to protect himself and the program at the expense of the student body at large and the university. Not enough hard evidence to charge him with a crime because he threw it away, but if you read all the statements, he committed a crime of poor judgement and poor ethics in my eyes.
 
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I'm not going to blame a program or school for kids deciding to commit illegal acts. What I will blame is a program or school covering up for illegal behavior. As I read the police report, J performed a classic coverup to protect himself and the program at the expense of the student body at large and the university. Not enough hard evidence to charge him with a crime because he threw it away, but if you read all the statements, he committed a crime of poor judgement and poor ethics in my eyes.


The irony is ironic with this one.
 
I'm not going to blame a program or school for kids deciding to commit illegal acts. What I will blame is a program or school covering up for illegal behavior. As I read the police report, J performed a classic coverup to protect himself and the program at the expense of the student body at large and the university. Not enough hard evidence to charge him with a crime because he threw it away, but if you read all the statements, he committed a crime of poor judgement and poor ethics in my eyes.
Ever heard the saying"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"?
 
I'm not going to blame a program or school for kids deciding to commit illegal acts. What I will blame is a program or school covering up for illegal behavior. As I read the police report, J performed a classic coverup to protect himself and the program at the expense of the student body at large and the university. Not enough hard evidence to charge him with a crime because he threw it away, but if you read all the statements, he committed a crime of poor judgement and poor ethics in my eyes.

If there is a group that should know the difference it would be any group associated with Penn State. Does your 'placing blame' come with any repercussions?
 
Ever hear the saying, "no shit sherlock?" I know exactly what I meant to say, and coming from a PSU fan should actually carry more weight, not less. Baylor, PSU, Minnesota. Different crimes, but all involved coverups. That was my point.
You had one of the biggest "coverups"in history.
 
If there is a group that should know the difference it would be any group associated with Penn State. Does your 'placing blame' come with any repercussions?
Exactly. To answer your question, I have said that if J performed a coverup, he should be fired. I also believe PSU admin was guilty of a coverup. Right and wrong doesn't wear school colors.
 
You had one of the biggest "coverups"in history.
Actually no. The crime was the worst in history. The coverup only involved 2-3 people. The outrage was appropriate nevertheless. The coverup at Baylor was much, much worse for somewhat lesser crimes. If indeed one can call rape a lesser crime to anything. Child rape might be one.

We aren't really in that much disagreement, so no need for hostility.
 
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Actually no. The crime was the worst in history. The coverup only involved 2-3 people. The outrage was appropriate nevertheless. The coverup at Baylor was much, much worse for somewhat lesser crimes. If indeed one can call rape a lesser crime to anything. Child rape might be one.

We aren't really in that much disagreement, so no need for hostility.
No hostility just questioning why you are hammering Minnesota(Idont like them either)?
 
No hostility just questioning why you are hammering Minnesota(Idont like them either)?
I am not hammering Minnesota, but the coach. I don't think the university knew of the dealing. I guess we'll find out soon enough. I don't have any hate for Minnesota or Iowa or any other team (other than ND in football).
 
I am not hammering Minnesota, but the coach. I don't think the university knew of the dealing. I guess we'll find out soon enough. I don't have any hate for Minnesota or Iowa or any other team (other than ND in football).

I'm very pleased to read that you despise Notre Dame football. Your parents must have done an outstanding job raising you.
 
Wasn't it April Fools day he joked about his son xferring to Iowa to train with metcalf? So may turn out it wasn't completely an April fools.
PBS has always been a great sport and, unlike a lot of parents who come on these boards, refrains from the petty and does not try and make convoluted statement to try and prop his kid up. In fact he pretty much stays away from talking about his kid and provides a lot of good insight in to IL wrestlers, which I find very educational.

Without knowing any real details, LE will get a 2nd chance, as he should and I hate to be out of line here, but he wrestled like a stud this summer in FS, if he is looking to transfer, he will get a lot of interest.
 
I also suspected that. However, doesn't that seem a little cowardly?

It does indeed. I didn't post the names out of respect for a certain Dad...however, they are out there. It's going to leave a mark on Minne. Doesn't mean shit though...an investigation is just that.
 
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Once those birthdates were published the names were going to be put out there sooner than later. Might as well get them out sooner in my opinion and let the story blow over sooner so everyone of those guys can move on and hopefully get on to better things. I wish them luck and hope this is a minor setback for all of them.
 
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