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I'm all for this, but it seems like an optimistic scenario at this point.
seems to me if the police are dropping the case due to insufficient evidence, then J Rob should be suing whom ever reported all of these actions as fact. Imagine the media getting it wrong.
not charging due to insufficient evidence does NOT mean it wasn't true.
Last post for me on this ...I know for sure it happened maybe not as like was reported however; I personally know some one who was asked if they wanted to buy any they turned it down.
To me it sure seems funny that U of Mn police could not find even one buyer on that huge campus. So why fire JR, he is getting a screwing out of this whole mess.
To me it sure seems funny that U of Mn police could not find even one buyer on that huge campus. So why fire JR, he is getting a screwing out of this whole mess.
Yes, for many practical reasons, but one non-obvious reason is that a prosecutor has to consider whether it can prove charges beyond a reasonable doubt (a high standard), and the university naturally expects its coaches to react at an earlier stage in the process (something akin to a "reasonable suspicion" standard). And the considerations for each standard differ. So for instance, I think the university might argue that the 1400+ pills allegation = reasonable suspicion that drugs were being sold; but that fact alone wouldn't be enough to convict.
Being an outsider, I don't know what Mr. Berhow brings to the table. Of course, he is the only bigger guy on staff. But since he isn't talked about much on here as a reason for success or anything, just figured he was more of an admin type.
And being a baseball dad this summer, yeah, 3 of 4 is close
[/QUOTE]Does Rutt not count?
Does Rutt not count?[/QUOTE]Being an outsider, I don't know what Mr. Berhow brings to the table. Of course, he is the only bigger guy on staff. But since he isn't talked about much on here as a reason for success or anything, just figured he was more of an admin type.
And being a baseball dad this summer, yeah, 3 of 4 is close
i didnt add s&c coaches.
Does Rutt not count?[/QUOTE]Being an outsider, I don't know what Mr. Berhow brings to the table. Of course, he is the only bigger guy on staff. But since he isn't talked about much on here as a reason for success or anything, just figured he was more of an admin type.
And being a baseball dad this summer, yeah, 3 of 4 is close
Berhow has done a great job with our bigs. We're lucky to have him.
Minneapolis city attorney Susan Segal said that U police presented their case to her office last week, after approaching the county attorney’s office.
“We reviewed all the evidence and there was not sufficient evidence to support charges in the case and it’s as simple as that,” Segal said.
She said that there wasn’t enough evidence to support misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor charges against Robinson, although U officials did not inquire about drug charges of the wrestlers who were allegedly involved.
“Declining charges is different from saying that people acted appropriately,” she said. “It means there’s not evidence that fit in the criminal charges that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.”
http://www.startribune.com/no-charg...ers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/
Sounds like there is a belief something happened, but as Tikk10 said earlier, they didn't feel it could be proven since the pills are gone and J wouldn't talk.
“We reviewed all the evidence and there was not sufficient evidence to support charges in the case and it’s as simple as that,” Segal said.
She said that there wasn’t enough evidence to support misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor charges against Robinson, although U officials did not inquire about drug charges of the wrestlers who were allegedly involved.
“Declining charges is different from saying that people acted appropriately,” she said. “It means there’s not evidence that fit in the criminal charges that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.”
http://www.startribune.com/no-charg...ers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/
Sounds like there is a belief something happened, but as Tikk10 said earlier, they didn't feel it could be proven since the pills are gone and J wouldn't talk.
In Berhow's 1st season with Iowa he coached Telford to the best season of his career. He beat Tony Nelson for the 1st time ever and went on to his highest AA finish, 4th.
It's no coincidence that in Nelson's 1st year without Berhow in the room, Tony failed to repeat as champ despite being a strong favorite.
those were not champions words those were cowboys, do you ever get tired of being a dick. we are happy to have berhow.
Yea, because investigators were stonewalled and the evidence dumped. Winning!
BTw, at least they have all of their bases covered. Speed, MJ, and Xanax...could they not slip some LSD or shrooms in there? At this point, an non DUI alcohol incident would be welcome.
At least one learned his lesson about the harsh realities of the "drug business." Quite the entrepreneurs up there north of the wall.
I didn't post anything about Berhow. I love having Ben in the room. Please edit your post and quote it properly.
http://www.startribune.com/no-charg...ers-accused-of-using-selling-xanax/384927011/
http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat1.pdf (affidavit)
http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat+wrestler's+essay.pdf
I have read each of these documents. JRob knew of selling from the beginning of his involvement from a wrestler on the team, and it was all confirmed to him in the essays. JRob chose to cover it up. Whether he did it to help his wrestlers or help his program makes no difference to me. JRob performed a cover up, and from the documents, it doesn't appear that admin knew about the selling. IMO, he needs to be fired asap. I can condone his action with regard to the users, but not the sellers. Removing your ethical compass to provide compassion isn't the right path to take. There is a line you can't cross, and he certainly did in my opinion.
http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat1.pdf (affidavit)
http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/UMat+wrestler's+essay.pdf
I have read each of these documents. JRob knew of selling from the beginning of his involvement from a wrestler on the team, and it was all confirmed to him in the essays. JRob chose to cover it up. Whether he did it to help his wrestlers or help his program makes no difference to me. JRob performed a cover up, and from the documents, it doesn't appear that admin knew about the selling. IMO, he needs to be fired asap. I can condone his action with regard to the users, but not the sellers. Removing your ethical compass to provide compassion isn't the right path to take. There is a line you can't cross, and he certainly did in my opinion.
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Champ, when I look at that series of posts, something is messed up. Somehow, it looks like my reply to your question (which I quoted) somehow got reversed, and you replied to my question.
I can't believe I am "defending" Jammz, but this one was a system fault. Somehow you are me and I am you in those posts.
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You're telling me if it was your kid or best friend who was involved instead of an anonymous person who you've never met, you'd go straight to the police? Even when the drug laws in this country are archaic and unjustly harsh? I trust you'll do your job as an upstanding citizen and protector of the government's morality to turn in your fellow comrades to authorities at their first legal falter, even if it's a non-violent crime upon which the victim (buyer/user of the drug) has full consent and ability to choose whether or not to consume the illegal substance.
Your friend/family will then be subjected to the court system in which they will face charges of felonies and prison time. I really question if this is the choice you would make if in a similar scenario.
I can understand you believing that he should be fired. But for people to make him out as a criminal himself or as a horrible person is ridiculous. I've read several posts on this forum and others claiming that his life's work and accomplishments are now ruined and overshadowed by this incident.
If what I infer in the police report is true, then yes, JRob committed a crime and a serious one at that. Can it be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? No. How could it when he initiated a cover up to get rid of the pills, refused to cooperate, and told his wrestlers to lawyer up. What little the investigation uncovered tells me that he knew of potential selling in early February but did not gather the team until after nationals. That stinks to high heaven of self serving actions. If you really wanted to help your wrestlers first and foremost, don't you address the team immediately so that you can give them the helping hand they need right away?
Additionally, nowhere in the documents is it ever stated that JRob informed admin of selling. Just using. Why? Because he knew if he mentioned selling, the whole safe harbor thing would go poof, and the university would disavow the whole plan. Again, a cover up.
If the drug dealer on the street corner gives me 1,400 Xanax or 100 bags of coke to flush down the toilet, am I not an accessory to a crime? You're telling us that there's no problem with hiding evidence of a crime, so I expect you have no problem with this scenario either. After all, even though one of the wrestlers overdosed and was admitted to a hospital, Xanax is no big deal.
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University lawyers and insurance company will use that incident along with the alleged cover up as justification for his firing internally I suspect.
The cover up will be used publicly I expect.
Mighty Casey has struck out...sorry Jammenz. At the beginning, I thought this was just an out of touch Coach trying to cover for his guys. However, I now think that J took active steps to cover up actual crimes knowing full well what was at stake thinking that it could be held internally. Sometimes though, we are doing this younger generation a disservice by trying to shelter them from the consequences of their choices. Facing the music now can make them better people later.
Depending on where you sit, you have to either admire the Omerta on the team or be disappointed in JRob and his wrestlers. Like the over used cliche', it's not the crime but the cover up.
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No matter where you sit, one has to be disappointed in the wrestlers. JRob did what he thought was best - even if misguided. As mentioned previously by others, if it were my kid making the mistake of buying/using, I would be happy that JRob tried to protect him and teach him the lesson internally. Legally, trying to protect and cover up for the sellers is a no-no.
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I would agree 100% if it weren't for the fact that they would be facing charges of felony and prison time. A felony isn't going to help you out any in life.
Interesting that Minnesota doesn't list the birthdates of wrestlers on their website. Went to the football teams roster online and they are listed there. Since all of the birthdays of the alleged dealers were listed in the affidavit I can only assume they were removed to keep the identities private.
You do understand, that even in one of the written letters, a wrestler said he believed that him selling could have caused someone's death. In fact, he was worried about another wrestler who was high at a tournament.
Do you also understand that distribution of illegal narcotics, in certain quantities, should be against the law and a felony? Don't come at me with the alchohol argument because there is no comparison. Even if you are right, you are making my point. Destigmatizing/legalizing cocaine, heroine, morphine and benzo based drugs would have catastrophic effects on society. Like alcohol, some would use responsibly and others wouldn't. Addiction rates would skyrocket. Associate crime would as well.
A thousand times this. I work with college students every day. Parents are doing their children absolutely no favors by trying to smooth out every bump in the road for them and helping them avoid the consequences that come from their actions. I know the majority of those parents do it with the best of intentions for their kids, but they are hurting them far more than helping. By the time those children get to college, they have zero resilience or ability to use good judgment because they've never been expected to, and the consequences of mistakes at that age are far more serious.
A million times this. I learned a lot by f*cking up. I also gained a lot because it put me on a better track...although I didn't know it at the time. Wouldn't have met my wife of 22 years if not for being stupid.
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How can you claim there is no comparison to alcohol? When someone OD's on alcohol or kills someone in a drunk driving accident, not a single person in society places the blame on the liquor store. I don't see how with other drugs, people can't comprehend that the user is responsible for what they are consuming. If alcohol was illegal would people still have the same view?
I have never claimed those other drugs should be legal. I've only claimed that a felony and prison time isn't appropriate punishment and is the primary reason the U.S. has the highest non-violent crime incarceration rate in the world. I truly believe we have an incredibly antiquated legal system in regards to the drug war and that our society has decades of biases which perpetuates it. Take emotion out of it and look at the costs and ineffectiveness of the drug war.
Lack of institutional control. Shouldn't apply to drug use, but likely will when the U does their thing.
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