Of course not. It was Blue State Democrats like Newsom in CaliforniaYou've been gaslit (again)
There was no federal requirement to "shut down" schools.
Of course not. It was Blue State Democrats like Newsom in CaliforniaYou've been gaslit (again)
There was no federal requirement to "shut down" schools.
So, what's your problem, then?Of course not.
SO WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN SOCIETY FOR EVERYONE? SO STUPID.They did die at 4x to ~30x vs influenza, though.
0-17 yr olds
2021: 609 Covid deaths; 21 Influenza deaths
Ratio- 29:1
2022: 632 Covid deaths; 157 influenza deaths
Ratio- 4:1
We didn't "shut down society".SO WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN SOCIETY FOR EVERYONE? SO STUPID.
It's pretty much all you post, nowadays on the topic.Such a mischaracterization.
YIKES. So many consequences to the shut down. Keep re writing history.We didn't "shut down society".
And the only schools that went remote, did so to protect their own teachers.
Remote learning is better than no learning, which is where you end up, if too many of your staff become ill or die.
Indeed; pandemics cause lots of consequences. Ones we are still experiencing, today.YIKES. So many consequences
Consequences largely from our 'response'. Not the virus itself.
Yes; they were.The supply chains were not disrupted because of workers who were sick and hospitalized.
What percentage of covid positive people do you think ended up hospitalized?LOLWUT?
Supply chains were massively disrupted because so many people were sick and hospitalized, those companies shut down. Did you expect everything to run "normally" when hospitals were overrun and thousands a day were dying from Covid?
In the early days, it was >5%. Which is a huge number if you let a virus with an R0 around 6 keep spreading.What percentage of covid positive people do you think ended up hospitalized?
Now do your math on an organization not having staffing.In the early days, it was >5%. Which is a huge number if you let a virus with an R0 around 6 keep spreading.
The entire state of California didn't have a year and half outbreak of Covid. But their schools were shut for in person learning from March of 2020 to August of 2021. So once again you are being dishonest.So, what's your problem, then?
Localities with outbreaks "on-lined" their schools to prevent an actually total shutdown, due to lack of teachers. Those were not federal decisions, they were local decisions.
The rewriting of history by those that advocated for failed policies is going to be something over the next decade.The supply chains were not disrupted because of workers who were sick and hospitalized.
They were disrupted because of social distancing requirements, plant closures, vaccination mandates, and other restrictions that had negative consequences on staffing and running businesses effectively.
Lol. You act like teachers were dying left and right in the states/countries that did return to in person learning in the fall of '20. That simply is not true. Iowa, Florida, SD, European coutnries... all showed schools could safely re-open even with the virus in circulation and no vaccines yet made available.We didn't "shut down society".
And the only schools that went remote, did so to protect their own teachers.
Remote learning is better than no learning, which is where you end up, if too many of your staff become ill or die.
That's what pandemics do.Now do your math on an organization not having staffing.
So now you have fallen back from the work forces couldn't manage the load to people were affraid....That's what pandemics do.
And people who live/interact with those susceptible to the virus don't want to go to work, pick it up and end up infecting/killing their family members.
You seem to have "forgotten" that part, too.
That was "one year" bro.The entire state of California didn't have a year and half outbreak of Covid. But their schools were shut for in person learning from March of 2020 to August of 2021.
Lol. You act like teachers were dying left and right in the states/countries that did return to in person learning in the fall of '20. That simply is not true. Iowa, Florida, SD, European coutnries.
So now you have fallen back from the work forces couldn't manage the load to people were affraid....
FalseUh...many had to re-close (including some I have relatives who work in, in Wisconsin), due to outbreaks.
And teachers in those schools DID die from Covid, resulting in teacher shortages.
This is what happens when Tucker Carlson is your source of information.The supply chains were not disrupted because of workers who were sick and hospitalized.
They were disrupted because of social distancing requirements, plant closures, vaccination mandates, and other restrictions that had negative consequences on staffing and running businesses effectively.
Let's see how willing to connect the dots you are today.It was most assuredly, both.
Work forces were impacted; it was a global pandemic.
I've never watched him. And, never will.This is what happens when Tucker Carlson is your source of information.
We know the information being put out, now, was inaccurate, misleading, and in many cases wrong.
I seeDo you think that level of fear would have existed if the general public would have actually known the truth?
And there is the giant flaw in the entire situation. If the government/cdc would have presented the original data as impcomplete instead of gospel that everybody was going to kill grandma people would have made their own decisions, and thus, not been so "affraid to go to work" but you can't tell people your data is incomplete and hold control.Information early on (even up to the first year of the pandemic) was certainly incomplete.
Does that alter the equation - particularly in light of the fact we now have both medicines and vaccines very effective in minimizing the risks of serious disease?
Those vaccines were not available until (nearly) the end of the 2020-2021 school year.
And there is the giant flaw in the entire situation. If the government/cdc would have presented the original data as impcomplete instead of gospel
No Joe, you are attempting to rewrite history, and it won't play out favorably for the agencies at fault. There was never a "this is the information we have" or " please choose to do with this what you think best", they literally told us we would kill grandma for not wearing mask, and that is proven to be bullshit.Uh...they did. It was always subject to updating as new information was gathered.
CDC wasn't the entity telling you hospitals were filling up; the hospitals and care providers, themselves, were telling you that. Along with PPE and ventilator shortages at the time.
You've forgotten all of that stuff, too.
No Joe, you are attempting to rewrite history
Do you think the messaging during the pandemic was "here is the information, make your best decisions" or "do this or there will be negative consequences"?How? You are the one posting gross generalizations and misconceptions here.
Have you heard anyone discuss lessons learned or mistakes made, and how to learn and improve from them?Hopefully lessons were learned for the next time, and you can bet there will be a next time.
What we knew is that hospitals were overflowing. That was a huge issue that had to be addressed.And there is the giant flaw in the entire situation. If the government/cdc would have presented the original data as impcomplete instead of gospel that everybody was going to kill grandma people would have made their own decisions, and thus, not been so "affraid to go to work" but you can't tell people your data is incomplete and hold control.
Do you think the messaging during the pandemic was "here is the information, make your best decisions"
Why would people with zero background on pandemics and epidemiology be good at "making their own decisions"?
We saw people killing themselves with aquarium cleaner based on this logic.
And taking useless horse paste. And drinking their own pee.
Do you rely on doctors' expertise for your medical care, or are you a DIYDIY-
GOP platform here perfectly summarized. I'd stop now.Have you heard anyone discuss lessons learned or mistakes made, and how to learn and improve from them?
I haven’t. I’ve only seen people defending those mistakes, and doubling down on them, because they can’t admit they were wrong.