Just remember folks, its the democrats that think we need to keep everything locked down.
- Thread starter Whiskeydeltadeltatango
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So, what's your problem, then?
Localities with outbreaks "on-lined" their schools to prevent an actually total shutdown, due to lack of teachers. Those were not federal decisions, they were local decisions.
We didn't "shut down society".
And the only schools that went remote, did so to protect their own teachers.
Remote learning is better than no learning, which is where you end up, if too many of your staff become ill or die.
YIKES. So many consequences to the shut down. Keep re writing history.
Indeed; pandemics cause lots of consequences. Ones we are still experiencing, today.
Consequences largely from our 'response'. Not the virus itself.
LOLWUT?
Supply chains were massively disrupted because so many people were sick and hospitalized, those companies shut down. Did you expect everything to run "normally" when hospitals were overrun and thousands a day were dying from Covid?
The supply chains were not disrupted because of workers who were sick and hospitalized.
They were disrupted because of social distancing requirements, plant closures, vaccination mandates, and other restrictions that had negative consequences on staffing and running businesses effectively.
They were disrupted because of social distancing requirements, plant closures, vaccination mandates, and other restrictions that had negative consequences on staffing and running businesses effectively.
Yes; they were.
AND due to efforts to slow the spread, which was wreaking havoc on health systems worldwide in 2020.
You guys keep saying "We Won't Forget", but you've clearly been gaslit and "forgot" everything.
What percentage of covid positive people do you think ended up hospitalized?
In the early days, it was >5%. Which is a huge number if you let a virus with an R0 around 6 keep spreading.
The entire state of California didn't have a year and half outbreak of Covid. But their schools were shut for in person learning from March of 2020 to August of 2021. So once again you are being dishonest.
The rewriting of history by those that advocated for failed policies is going to be something over the next decade.
Lol. You act like teachers were dying left and right in the states/countries that did return to in person learning in the fall of '20. That simply is not true. Iowa, Florida, SD, European coutnries... all showed schools could safely re-open even with the virus in circulation and no vaccines yet made available.
That's what pandemics do.
And people who live/interact with those susceptible to the virus don't want to go to work, pick it up and end up infecting/killing their family members.
You seem to have "forgotten" that part, too.
So now you have fallen back from the work forces couldn't manage the load to people were affraid....
Think about that Joe.
Uh...many had to re-close (including some I have relatives who work in, in Wisconsin), due to outbreaks.
And teachers in those schools DID die from Covid, resulting in teacher shortages.
It was most assuredly, both.
Work forces were impacted; it was a global pandemic.
This is what happens when Tucker Carlson is your source of information.
Let's see how willing to connect the dots you are today.
People were affraid.
We know the information being put out, now, was inaccurate, misleading, and in many cases wrong.
Do you think that level of fear would have existed if the general public would have actually known the truth?
As an example, there was a poll done in the middle of covid where people thought 50% of all covid cases ended up in thr hospital. If the cdc would have been forthcoming about that not being accurate, dont you think that would have dissolved some of the fear?
Information early on (even up to the first year of the pandemic) was certainly incomplete.
Does that alter the equation - particularly in light of the fact we now have both medicines and vaccines very effective in minimizing the risks of serious disease?
Those vaccines were not available until (nearly) the end of the 2020-2021 school year.
I see
You want to play Monday Morning QB with 2023 information, which did not exist in 2020 and 2021.
Hooray for you.
And there is the giant flaw in the entire situation. If the government/cdc would have presented the original data as impcomplete instead of gospel that everybody was going to kill grandma people would have made their own decisions, and thus, not been so "affraid to go to work" but you can't tell people your data is incomplete and hold control.
Uh...they did. It was always subject to updating as new information was gathered.
CDC wasn't the entity telling you hospitals were filling up; the hospitals and care providers, themselves, were telling you that. Along with PPE and ventilator shortages at the time.
You've forgotten all of that stuff, too.
No Joe, you are attempting to rewrite history, and it won't play out favorably for the agencies at fault. There was never a "this is the information we have" or " please choose to do with this what you think best", they literally told us we would kill grandma for not wearing mask, and that is proven to be bullshit.
How? You are the one posting gross generalizations and misconceptions here.
I look at the whole situation this way:
First of all hindsight is always 20/20.
Were mistakes made? Yes, from both sides of the issue
Were there misrepresentations and mischaracterization made? Yes, from both sides of the issue
Were there overreactions? Yes, from both sides of the issue
I'm still a believer in science and I still believe some basic decisions made following science and the history of other pandemic/epidemics were made in good faith and based on the best available information. Were they always the right decisions? No, and that's why changes were made on the fly- That's how science works.
Hopefully lessons were learned for the next time, and you can bet there will be a next time.
First of all hindsight is always 20/20.
Were mistakes made? Yes, from both sides of the issue
Were there misrepresentations and mischaracterization made? Yes, from both sides of the issue
Were there overreactions? Yes, from both sides of the issue
I'm still a believer in science and I still believe some basic decisions made following science and the history of other pandemic/epidemics were made in good faith and based on the best available information. Were they always the right decisions? No, and that's why changes were made on the fly- That's how science works.
Hopefully lessons were learned for the next time, and you can bet there will be a next time.
Do you think the messaging during the pandemic was "here is the information, make your best decisions" or "do this or there will be negative consequences"?
Have you heard anyone discuss lessons learned or mistakes made, and how to learn and improve from them?
I haven’t. I’ve only seen people defending those mistakes, and doubling down on them, because they can’t admit they were wrong.
What we knew is that hospitals were overflowing. That was a huge issue that had to be addressed.
Why would people with zero background on pandemics and epidemiology be good at "making their own decisions"?
We saw people killing themselves with aquarium cleaner based on this logic.
And taking useless horse paste. And drinking their own pee.
Do you rely on doctors' expertise for your medical care, or are you a DIY-er?
GOP platform here perfectly summarized. I'd stop now.
