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3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa – Ferentz makes a ton of money and is one of the more overrated and overvalued coaches out there. He’s had one 10-win season since 2009, and his 86-68 conference record isn’t that great for a guy who has been employed for so long at the same school. Iowa is usually good for seven or eight wins most years, yet he’s still talked about as one of the top coaches in college football.
 
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3. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa – Ferentz makes a ton of money and is one of the more overrated and overvalued coaches out there. He’s had one 10-win season since 2009, and his 86-68 conference record isn’t that great for a guy who has been employed for so long at the same school. Iowa is usually good for seven or eight wins most years, yet he’s still talked about as one of the top coaches in college football.
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He must not be an iowa fan
 
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I think Kirk Ferentz is underrated by the rest of the college football world and media but I also think he is probably overrated by a segment of our fan base ( if that makes sense). Kirk is a strong coach and his stability shouldn't be overlooked, but I think a lot of Iowa fans lean on the "Iowa can't get any better" excuse.
 
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Ferentz is not an overrated coach. He's also not overpaid. If we were using 2006-2007 yes he was way overpaid. I'm not certain he's in the top 35 highest paid coaches anymore

Farrell is looking at this with blinders. He looks at 7-5/8-4 and says not great. He doesn't look though that Iowa is in it near the end in almost every single game. Where Feretnz is overrated is in game coaching. Why Iowa fans get upset is they see 8-4 records where we probably should have had 1-2 wins more a year. It's the style we play but our coaches can still make the necessary adjustments. They did in 2015 and look what happened. Last year the coaches cost us a few games. Stanley is allowed to air it out more I got to imagine we beat Purdue and at least 1 against NW/MSU
 
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Kirk has 5 seasons with 6 or fewer wins in 19 years but he also topped the 10 win mark 5 times.

Coaches like Joe Tiller have consistency without the special seasons. In 12 seasons at Purdue Joe Tiller only had 3 seasons with 6 or fewer wins. But he never won more than 9 games in a season.

I'll take consistency with frequent special seasons over the feast or famine coaching carousels of most schools.
 
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Kirk is a good stable Power 5 coach. I wouldn’t say is overrated or underrated. He is what he is and I think most people know what he is. You wouldn’t stick at a top of the conference Power 5 school averaging a 7.5-5 record over 19 years, but that doesn’t mean a lot of schools wouldn’t take that.
 
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DutchyFunStar said:
Kirk has 5 seasons with 6 or fewer wins in 19 years but he also topped the 10 win mark 5 times.

Coaches like Joe Tiller have consistency without the special seasons. In 12 seasons at Purdue Joe Tiller only had 3 seasons with 6 or fewer wins. But he never won more than 9 games in a season.

I'll take consistency with frequent special seasons over the feast or famine coaching carousels of most schools.
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I certainly understand consistency claim, but you can’t say “frequent” special seasons. 3 of those 5 ten win seasons were 13-15 years ago. I think too many people are stuck in 2005.

Since then, Iowa has missed bowl games as many times as they have won 10 games.
 
glathar15 said:
Kirk is a good stable Power 5 coach. I wouldn’t say is overrated or underrated. He is what he is and I think most people know what he is. You wouldn’t stick at a top of the conference Power 5 school averaging a 7.5-5 record over 19 years, but that doesn’t mean a lot of schools wouldn’t take that.
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Kansas would trade for Kirk Ferentz's tenure at Iowa.....
 
There are a lot of issues pertaining to this thread. First, Ferentz makes a lot of money because he is in his 20th season as coach at Iowa. I believe he started out under 500k. He has received raises for performance and longevity. It is hard to compare him to other coaches pay-wise because I can't think of another coach who is starting his 20th year at the same school.
Second, 8-5 is about what you would expect when you are bringing in recruiting classes in the 40-50 range. Recruiting has been KF's biggest limitation, but we need to look at why he hasn't brought in top-anything classes. Some of it is stubbornness on his part but a lot of it comes down to the nature of most of the elite recruits. They and KF are never going to mesh. He is not going to stroke their egos and they are not going to be attracted to his stoic nature and the commitment his program demands.
Finally, the ADs and university presidents since KF has been here have put value on continuity. They see 65,000+ people in the stands nearly every game and rightfully don't want to mess with that.
In fairness, I have been frustrated over the years by the recruiting fails, but the rational side of me knows that it would take shady deals to consistently land elite players. See Illinois under Zook for example. I also think the program would benefit from better OOC opponents but that point has been argued ad nauseum.
In summary, I am very happy KF has been our coach these past 20 years and have no problem with what he makes.
 
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EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Going along with your OP as well....

So fire him, along with Barta. Get rid of them all and let's start turning this program into something even better than what Alabama has!................................................................
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My name is not Mike and a dont work for rivals. The 2nd link was to show he is in fact paid in the top 35 as was being discussed. Good try though old chap.
 
It seems people are forgetting his incentives. His low hanging incentives should add to the Kirk being over paid crowd.
 
i like the fact that he’s moving down the salary list. It was the only argument his haters had for years.
 
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It’s the off season!!! - OP
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Again, my name is not mike and I dont work for rivals. WDDT didnt call rivals and say "hey, we haven't heard the KF is overrated thing this year, can you post it again". This is a national writer talking about something Iowa football. You guys are funny.
 
Wasnt-drunk-didnt-troll said:
What question did you ask prior to my post? (You are not silly enough to be talking about the "fire KF and Barta" question you asked AFTER I had responded are you monkey?)
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Lol, exactly. Non-response via circling around the only post where I've asked you a question in this thread.

Easy. You can leave now. My work is done. :cool:
 
If $ = wins is your only metric, KFz is pretty clearly overrated

But I will guarantee you that the U of I has a range of metrics that they evaluate KFz (and McC) against. Wins is going to one thing. But there is also going to be things like staying out of NCAA trouble, players growing academically, and representing the University in a professional manner.

Most good corporations have gone to evaluation systems like this, where employees are evaluated wholistically, rather than a single isolated metric.

Many colleges (and many fanbases) do not subscribe to this approach. For them, it’s all about the wins. Win at (almost) all costs. One bad season? You’re gone. No championships for 5 years? Hit the road. Some places have had success with that strategy, but many others have not.

The U of I, for better or worse, has adopted the wholistic approach. You might not like it, but it’s a method embraced by many, many successful organizations.

And that’s why KFz makes as much as he does.
 
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EvilMonkeyInTheCloset said:
Lol, exactly. Non-response via circling around the only post where I've asked you a question in this thread.

Easy. You can leave now. My work is done. :cool:
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Oooh monkey, I'll save face for you and answer the question you asked after I posted, yet acted like it was asked prior to my response, as if there are not time stamps here....

KF doesnt need to go, as you know, I do feel Barta needs to go.
 
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First, I'm glad to see that at least he has Harbaugh at the top of the list...as well as that adolescent Kiffin.

Kirk has been a whipping boy for so-called CFB talking heads/bloggers like this clown for quite some time. Mainly due to his contract. They feel he shouldn't be paid in the Top 10 or Top 20 HC's since he doesn't appear to be providing the value...based mostly on consistently winning conference championships and Top 10 finishes in the national polls.

Those who do their research and fairly grade the man by what he has done and does for the program would say he's worth every penny.

If you put Nick Saban or Urban Meyer at Iowa they'd be averaging ~8 wins a year too. Also, if you think having a scumbag like Dantonio running your program is better value, then your opinion is invalid as well.

This Farrell knob needs to define "value" and "overrated" ...by what measure exactly?
 
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LaQuintaHawkeye said:
First, I'm glad to see that at least he has Harbaugh at the top of the list...as well as that adolescent Kiffin.

Kirk has been a whipping boy for so-called CFB talking heads/bloggers like this clown for quite some time. Mainly due to his contract. They feel he shouldn't be paid in the Top 10 or Top 20 HC's since he doesn't appear to be providing the value...based mostly on consistently winning conference championships and Top 10 finishes in the national polls.

Those who do their research and fairly grade the man by what he has done and does for the program would say he's worth every penny.

If you put Nick Saban or Urban Meyer at Iowa they'd be averaging ~8 wins a year too. Also, if you think having a scumbag like Dantonio running your program is better value, then your opinion is invalid as well.

This Farrell knob needs to define "value" and "overrated" ...by what measure exactly?
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Agree with you on all parts other than saban and meyer. Utah won 10 games one time in the 7 years prior to U.M going there. He then went 10-3 and 12-0. Those two ARE a league above, but there are only a handful of "Urbans" and "Sabans" across the country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Utah_Utes_football_team
 
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What was Saban's record at MSU?
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34-24-1 after taking over an 0-11 team. Didn’t finish under .500 in his four years and was 10-2 his last. But you’re seriously not gonna compare Saban’s draw now to that of 23 years ago are you? If Meyer or Saban came to Iowa right now, the talent level coming to Kinnick would grow exponentially across the board.

You’re basically putting Kirk on Saban or Meyers level as a coach, which is pure crazy
 
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34-24-1 after taking over an 0-11 team. Didn’t finish under .500 in his four years and was 10-2 his last. But you’re seriously not gonna compare Saban’s draw now to that of 23 years ago are you? If Meyer or Saban came to Iowa right now, the talent level coming to Kinnick would grow exponentially across the board.

You’re basically putting Kirk on Saban or Meyers level as a coach, which is pure crazy
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Saban would win Iowa multiple national championships. An even greater dynasty than Bama would arise.
 
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