You aren’t really trying to say that Saban losing to crap teams in his first season at his new stops is the same as Kirk losing to A DII school in year 18 are you? Central Michigan in year 14. Western Michigan in year 8?
Kirk Ferentz makes an over rated list.
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That used to be me but I traded in my Fusion for a Prius, we now go to Applebees instead of Dairy Queen and I quit the Methodist Church to join the Hare Krishna. Exciting times.
Why is that your question?
Wouldn't you rather ask to trade Hoiberg for Hayden?..........
LOL, good catch. Had Saban on the mind for Toledo. MAC schools kind of all run together anyway.
Shouldn't elite coaches with superior talent always win those games against UAB and Louisiana Monroe?
I would at least hope you agree he should have been able to beat a "mediocre, overrated" Iowa coach with marginal Iowa talent in his 5th season at LSU, right?
KC, our whole team looked clueless during that game, so that was a group effort and every coach has a game or two where the coach and the team are just not having a great day.
After that game Urban's team went 3-0, won the BIG and beat USC in the Cotton Bowl. On the flip side Ferentz's team went 1-2 and beat BC in a bowl game played at a baseball stadium....
In 2011 Ohio State went 6-7 under Luke Fickell....the very next year with pretty much the same players, Urban went 12-0, I know you're going to say well it's Ohio State and they have great players, but why didn't they go 12-0 while Fickell was their coach? Meyer has won everywhere he has coached, he won at Bowling Green and at Utah, last time I checked those two schools aren't exactly mentioned in the great programs of college football.
Iowa wasnt “mediocre” at that time. Lots of talent on that team that won on a fluke play. Saban also won the national title year before so.... I’m not sure what your trying to compare.
Since that game, Iowa has missed bowl games as many times as it’s won 10 games. That’s not “elite” coaching.
Boy do they lean!!! All I say BOSSES give a BONUS at 7 wins...Nuff said huh? Go Hawks..
I think it’s important to think about the fact that they’re only 65 power five conference teams. The fact that he finishes ahead of 35 of those consistently every year, means his salary is probably where it should be.
You're saying Saban wouldn't have dropped games Kirk has if he was at Iowa. Not only has he dropped games that are just as bad, if not worse (MAC > Sunbelt and CUSA), he did it at blueblood schools with all the additional resources those program's status provide. Saban was in year five at LSU, having just won a national championship as you mentioned, with a roster loaded with 4-5* talent, and let a "mediocre" coach like Kirk beat him.
It's obvious that we're not getting anywhere with this. No example I give you or no matter how many times I point out to you that Iowa and LSU/Bama have inherently different situations will be enough to sway your opinion. You've pointed out multiple times now the number of times Iowa's missed bowl games since Kirk's good run. I suggest you look around at blueblood programs like Michigan, ND, Texas A&M, Penn St., Texas,, Tennessee, Florida, and UCLA, and see how many times they've missed bowls in the last 17 years. Looks like just as many if not more than Iowa's 2. I'll take it. At some point Iowa is going to go back to where Illionis, Purdue, or Indiana have been the last 10 years. I think a lot of fans are going to looking back on Kirk's 20+ years full of nostalgia.
I’m aware of the advantages those schools have. Fully aware.
Iowa hasn’t been on Purdue, Illinois, Indiana in 40 years what makes you think they will go back to that once Kirk leaves?
You keep giving me ammo for my argument. Those schools you listed missing bowl games haven’t missed bowl games with Saban or Meyer. What does that tell you? Kirk simply isn’t on their level in anyone’s mind but a handful of Iowa fans.
With that said, I’m not a Kirk hater. Kirk haters root against him. The talent this program is stockpiling right now is on a different level than the past 19 years. So I’m hoping Kirk takes Iowa to Wisconsin’s level.
It does.But his bosses happy.But some fans like 9 wins.Ouch! 8 wins YIKES. Old school I guess.Clean programs can have both.Ask Barry our neighbor.Must beat them this year. Go Hawks...
I’d be fine with 9 wins most seasons. It’s only happened three times in the past 13 years. 3 flipping times.
Nuff said! Players are tougher each year.Seems like more of them also.So fill several holes,linebackers with Great pass rush and o-line coming together. Starts with center.And best TE's in big 10. Again go hawk players...
So what you're saying is that we just need to get rid of Meyer and Ohio State will go back to being the Luke Fickell of college football?.....
Yes. Make this happen, Buckeye fan. Get the f*** off the top of my Big Ten conference standings so I can actually enjoy college football again. Might as well get rid of Saban in Alabama while you're at it too. Make college football great again!
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So what you're saying is that we just need to get rid of Meyer and Ohio State will go back to being the Luke Fickell of college football?.....
Yes. Make this happen, Buckeye fan. Get the f*** off the top of my Big Ten conference standings so I can actually enjoy college football again. Might as well get rid of Saban in Alabama while you're at it too. Make college football great again!
If I did that, I would have to leave Ohio and move back to Iowa...lol
I’d likely be fine with 7-8 if we played a challenging schedule to make it more exciting for fans and got more aggressive in skill position recruiting
Nothing wrong with that. I can't smell, but I'm assuming Iowa at least smells better than Ohio for the simple fact that you have Cleveland, so.....
Nothing wrong with that. I can't smell, but I'm assuming Iowa at least smells better than Ohio for the simple fact that you have Cleveland, so.....
Cleveland gets a bad rap...that smell is coming from M*chig*n!!
I lived in Fort Dodge, Mason City and Ames....I would definitely move back to Ames, had a great time living there..sorry but I love Columbus plus I live 20 minutes from the Shoe!
Cleveland gets a bad rap...that smell is coming from M*chig*n!!
I lived in Fort Dodge, Mason City and Ames....I would definitely move back to Ames, had a great time living there..sorry but I love Columbus plus I live 20 minutes from the Shoe!
Columbus and Cincinnati are definitely the better places in the state. Then there is Youngstown, Dayton, Warren, Toledo, Sandusky and I could go on and on....Honestly, it's sad to see what's happened to the rust belt towns and it's the same as the demise of Clinton, Burlington, Fort Dodge etc. Maybe not the same size but the same story.
Traveled to Detroit and Cleveland quite a bit 12 plus years ago. Detroit is just a nasty city. Cleveland certainly has some nasty areas but I felt safer in the city and the lakefront area is fun.Cleveland gets a bad rap...that smell is coming from M*chig*n!!
I lived in Fort Dodge, Mason City and Ames....I would definitely move back to Ames, had a great time living there..sorry but I love Columbus plus I live 20 minutes from the Shoe!
I grew up in Springfield, Ohio and it was a nice town when I left, but now you can add it to the list of places that have gone downhill fast. I lived on the Northside in Fort Dodge, so it really wasn't that bad.
Totally agree with you! I was up there a year ago and it must have been a robust place 40 years ago. Also some good hs athletes coming out of there still. At least there is Wittenberg! I have a few hooligan friends from there. I am in NE Cincy suburbs, so cushy suburbia!
Good ole Wittenberg! I remember getting drunk on that campus when I was in high school..lol. I live in Dublin.so I'm with you on the cushy suburb life..
No some people just like to bitch no matter what or their not happy. I dare to dream as well. I dream of the day that constant complainers who never see anything on the positive side don't post here just because they have nothing better to do.
I've always wondered about all that success. So did Meyer build Utah in his only two seasons there or was it McBride who wikipedia credits as laying the foundation for Utah's future success. Of course then Meyer goes to Florida and plays for a couple of titles with Zooks players. Don't kid yourself either, Zook was a great recruiter. So how did Urbans departure from the Gators go again? Oh heah he had health problems and wanted to spend more time with his family. I suppose it had nothing to do with the program headed south and all the players on the police blotter? He got out while his reputation was still intact, and low and behold with in months he was all better and fell into one of the sweetest jobs in college football and the Gators have never been quite the same. So he gets credit for winning big at schools he was only at for a year or two with someone elses players, but not the blame for the program that fell apart after he left? Like the Iowa motto says, "Leave the jersey in a better place". Is that what Meyer has done?
At what point did I say that KF was a better coach? As for Florida, your correct, but then who left it on the downward spiral? Oh I know, the guy who left because of poor health, and to spend more time with his family, and not because the team was out of control, and half of it was on the police blotter, and then as soon as a plum job like OSU opens up (within months) he's all better and ready to jump back into a major pressure cooker job. As I remember he wasn't exactly restocking the cupboard with the same top caliber players that Zook did either. Of course you don't have to be a great recruiter if your only going to be at a school for two or three years. Yes I know, he's getting great players now to play at "The OSU". Jees that must be a really hard job.
As for the Fickell comparison, cmon, seriously? OSU was in turmoil and he was a one year stop gap. Do you really think that OSU couldn't have hired any number of really good coaches who would be able to win at OSU?
There are countless games won every season on a great play, but its your opinion that when Iowa does it, it has to be a fluke? This game against LSU, the MSU 9-0 game winner, Clayborns block, scoop and score, countless game ending field goals, ISU double overtime last year, all flukes? So when Iowa loses one of these close games, say NDSU, or NIU on a single big play against us, those are just flukes and should not be attributed to any failure by KF or the staff correct?
Now that we are on the same page about Kirk not being on their level, the intangibles don’t matter.
I think KF is a fine coach considering the expectations Iowa fans have. You ought to be pleased and satisfied with him.
I never said that KF was better, but not saying that Meyer is all that superior to him either. He's won some big games, and its led him into a seriously fortunate situation. I think KF would have been extremely successful at OSU or Michigan, but we'll never know.
I personally don’t think he would have. I think his perfect fit is at Iowa. It’s been a good fit for Iowa too but I just wish there was more pressure put on him or any coach to win more football games.
The only fluke about this discussion is the guy I was responding to using a head to head, on a last mid field throw, when Kirk didn’t even realize he needed to call TO; as evidence that Saban isn’t better than Kirk.
Your right of course. So if we as fans just raise our expectations of the program, we'll automatically just overcome 125 years of college football history correct? Thanks for slumming buckeye fan, it must be comforting to be so smug. Of course its just KF, and the Iowa Hawkeyes who struggle to break through this glass ceiling of college football heirarcy. Please tell us how many upstart programs have crashed the party in the last 25 seasons????? It must just be Iowa who hasn't been able to claw their way to the top in the last several decades, correct?
And thats fine, its your opinion. I happen to think he would have won bigger, more consistently at one of the top schools. Doesn't matter what I think though, because neither of us will ever know, anymore that people can be sure that Meyer would have stuck it out through the tough times at a school like Iowa, and been here long enough to build anything noteworthy.
Damn, you must of been trilled last year with 8 wins and a top 10 strength of schedule (top 5 according to Sagarin!).
Bonus points for a RB that is working for a NFL roster spot and a QB and couple of TEs that are showing up on all sorts of watch lists this year. Ton of skill position talent.
You're not very good at this trolling thing, even for an ISU fan.
