If he goes to PSU could they wrestle 4 times next year? National Team, Iowa v. PSU, Big Ten, Nationals. Am I correct with this?
Lee v. Suriano
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No. I’m assuming by national team you mean the national duals in Florida? He isn’t enrolled and can’t wrestle in that as it’s first semester. But yes in theory it could be 3 times. Will he wrestle before big tens? Will he wrestle at penn st? Will he wrestle at all? Will he even make the finals? It’s all up in the air.
My prediction, They will wrestle more times then he will shows up in a classroom.
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I’ll believe Suriano will wrestle anywhere when I see it
This is an interesting point. We could see F*** st 4 times. There are tough matches up and down the line up. Like to see our guys getting multiple shots at them. What I don't like is karl having more opportunities to put in the stall tactics once the NCAA finals rolls around and the refs swallow their whistles again. The KemDawg match makes me want to break something!
It really is too bad only PSU will have an opportunity to develop successful wrestling strategies with the additional matches. Not really fair.
I'm still waiting for DeSanto to figure out how to wrestle a guy with one arm behind his back. Would appear to be easier than it is in fact.
Counter with both arms behind the back
They need to modify a wrestling dummy for AD to practice on. Tape one arm behind its back and rig with pulleys to hop around. 20k single leg attempts with misdirection should do the trick.
I tend to agree with those here that feel SL will wrestle a pretty limited schedule this winter.
Maybe get 12-15 matches in and call it good.
Maybe get 12-15 matches in and call it good.
The thing is it isn't people wrestling with an arm behind their back, it's RBY wrestling with an arm behind his back.
Multiple people have tried it against Austin after RBY made it infamous (Philippi comes to mind) and Austin made them suffer for it. RBY is just such an insane athlete with incredible quickness that he's able to do things that others can't.
Yet he was that same athlete that DeSanto throttled at Big Tens and took him down at will. It boggles the mind that DeSanto and our Coaching staff can't adjust for this particular matchup.
You adjust or CAN adjust for a thrower, a leg rider, etc. Or if you're a Spencer Lee or Steveson you just force your will and let them do the adjusting and the outcome is still the same. RBY ain't no Spencer Lee IMO, he can be had, especially by someone as good as DeSanto is.
DeSanto has beaten a wide variety of top flight individuals in his time with varying skill sets and strengths, there is no reason he shouldn't be able to do the same with RBY. At this point it's in his noggin where the trouble is, IMO.
And which move did he throttle him with? If you watch that match, it totally changed in the second period when he started putting his hand behind his back to take away the carry. Outscored him 5-1 the rest of the match.
Almost everything Desanto does comes off that tricep tie. His pace and his offense. If you keep him off it, you can shut him down. There are only a couple who are good enough to do it. RBY does the phantom arm. Micic reaches across and controls the opposite hand like he's about to peel a russian tie. Suriano ties up his hand with finger ties.
The other problem is he isn't a great finisher if he doesn't get his carry. He got to RBY's legs multiple times in each match of 2020 and never came close to finishing any of them.
I wish we could have seen them at NCAA's last year. Desanto was imposing his will more and just muscling his way to the tricep. Phillipi tried the RBY strategy and got bullied. Fix couldn't stay clear either, but scrambled well enough to survive.
Absolutely agree that theres no reason he can't beat him.
Honestly I think the coaches work with him a ton on other attacks that would work against RBY, but when he gets into the heat of the match, exacerbated by being on the spectrum, he reverts back to his comfort zone and tries the same stuff that has failed countless times.
All fair points.
I watched the match live in person, but I haven't went back to relive it because frankly it's not my issue. What I saw (based on pure memory, which might be shaky at best....) was one guy kicking the shit out of the other to the point his head was spinning and he was on the way to being Tech Falled, then the pace went to crawl.
Regardless of the Sport you make adjustments, unless you're one of the few no matter what they do you impose your will. I don't view RBY as one of those people.
Or kick him in the balls, that'll bring the other arm around front.
Disclaimer: j/k. Don't try this at home.
You're remembering correctly. Desanto was hitting the same dump over and over. Then RBY towards the end of the second put his arm behind his back, almost out of flustered desperation, and Desanto had no idea what to do and slowed way down. RBY hit a counter to score in the third when Desanto got to a single, but didn't have the arm, then another attack late. He hasn't been able to figure out the arm thing since.
If he could finish conventionally without the dump, it totally changes the match. I'm hoping we see development there. Between Desanto, Eierman, Murin, Marinelli, and Warner, finishing issues have really plagued some of our guys at the biggest moments. Coaches have to figure out how to teach finishes in scrambles. Basically nobody is good enough to hit everything clean.
I disagree a bit here. RBY has developed into a match up nightmare for ADS.
DeSanto has beaten 3 National Champions I believe, and RBY being one of them. Yeah, it's a bad matchup currently, the question is why? I think it's in his head, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
He has all the skills and ability he needs to beat RBY. I'm not confident he'll do it, but far stranger things have happened. His best bet is to turn it into a brawl and hope RBY gasses at some point, my view from the cheap seats.
Couldn’t agree more, but RBY doesn’t gas anymore. Kid is really good and have a ton of respect for his game. Wanted him in IC badly and damn near happened. Got a ton of respect for that kid. He’s one of the good ones. That said, I hope Austin techs him each time they meet this year.
NOT "successful Wrestling Strategies" when one does not wrestling and the RULES are not enforced! MAYBE? watch the finals and see if the way the matches are called, is indeed even worse then how most matches are called outside carver!
Being a IOWA fan you should clearly understand(at least I think you should) How the HAWKS wrestled, and how mostly every other team wrestles. I mean there may be a reason why Gable with his arm up giving the STALLING call sign is legendary right!?!?!?
RBY with his arm behind his back, OK, if this stupid strategy works(it should not), and he is not backing out??? Good on them. This could be considered good coaching and all. The other guy just not doing a darn thing for most of the match and not getting hit for stalling several times. that is yet another!
I would hope Iowa’s answer isn’t “we don’t have an answer for those darn refs.”
Regardless, if they are stalling and winning you don’t want Iowa on the mat MORE often against them to figure out a better strategy? You think more matches are to their advantage? Like they can stall more or something?
As for RBY, the dude has been putting his arm behind his back for 2 years. We really can’t possibly find a way to counter that in 2 years?
This is typical Desanto. Almost everyone he wrestles for the first time he overwhelms with his pace and that tricep tie series. Then all the top wrestlers figure it out and slow him down. He teched Micic the first go around. He tossed around RBY for like half a match. Beat Suriano by gassing him.
After that first go round, all of the top guys can adjust. Do enough to stay out of where Desanto is strong and slow him down.
I’d be shocked if he beats any of the top dogs again.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he beats one of them again. He’s absolutely capable of that. I’d be more surprised if he went on a run at nationals, which ended in him beating multiple top dogs.
Same as Clark should have done vs ASU. Make your opponent come too you and quit taking the bait.
Suriano said he was done until nil changed the game. That’s probably true. I don’t think there’s any way in hell he comes back at 125lb if it isn’t for the torn acls. Plus he gets to sit out the first semester and see how Lee is looking. If Spencer looks like nothings wrong then I can’t see Suriano coming back at 125. If he looks a step off then I think he’d love to spoil Lee’s run at four. Imo obviously.
crazy Spencer should already have four and graduated already. Damn that covid year
crazy Spencer should already have four and graduated already. Damn that covid year
Well again I believe we are in somewhat agreement but you may not understand? Not sure how many times I have seen wrestlers play the edge, stall, keep a match close, and try and pull out a 1 point victory in the end?
This is certainly not only against IOWA, but with an aggressive style which is IOWA STYLE. You want action in the middle of the mat.If they would add the darn push out rule like FS. You would see much better wrestling and even more hAWK wins in my opinion.
Yes the RBY thing bothers me. Why a high level college wrestler in the best room in the country has not added a shot and finish to the off side and/or a snap down to a front headlock/cow catcher etc.... I am at a loss to explain.
RBY is not a brawler. The odds are extremely low that someone will dupe him into that kind of a match. And if you make it high-paced, he’s going to burn you more times than you can catch him.
A better strategy would be to wrestle an extremely disciplined match and look to catch RBY out of position when he’s on the move. Anticipation is critical. Then control the top game, get your own point from bottom, don’t give up RT.
RBY is good enough to be able to defend against AD with one arm behind his back. Although like it’s been said, he should have been hit with a few stalling warnings.
Im not sure anyone else at the class can get away with it besides RBY at this point. Fix won’t do it because he is good enough to defend without it and his style is to stay on the offensive.
Most everyone here will understand that AD needs a few other high end attacks,but more importantly the finish. My thoughts are if they can incorporate a Murin style double leg and finish, this will get it done. Murin now picks his spots and is very effective with his double, nothing to loose if AD cannot pull the trigger then he won’t get it done.
Im not sure anyone else at the class can get away with it besides RBY at this point. Fix won’t do it because he is good enough to defend without it and his style is to stay on the offensive.
Most everyone here will understand that AD needs a few other high end attacks,but more importantly the finish. My thoughts are if they can incorporate a Murin style double leg and finish, this will get it done. Murin now picks his spots and is very effective with his double, nothing to loose if AD cannot pull the trigger then he won’t get it done.
I understand just fine. I'm just asking about your theory that more matches vs. PSU favors PSU.
I’m sure it’s not just your gut telling you this, fairly easy to see he has some serious skills. We need our guy to take the next step, we will see if he gets there. And let’s not forget that Fix guy the Micic guy the Rivera guy and the Myers guy to name a few.
Yeah, what I meant was I wasn’t going to look up all the video to see if it backs my hunch.
Popular, but flawed view on DeSanto.
The only wrestler to have "figured out" DeSanto is RBY. He looked better against Fix the second time (without the death grip). The Suriano match at B1Gs wasn't much different than the first, except Suriano didn't get Carvered. His losses to Gross came down to the wire in very even (and high paced, no slowing down) matches. The Micic thing was another lifetime ago.
It's obviously hard to prepare for him until you've experienced him first hand, but there also isn't an obvious trend of top guys getting overwhelmed the first time and then shutting him down.
