ADS has been more cautious and calculated vs rby the past few matches. Part of it is the arm strategy and part is him being worried about a big move counter imo. I don't see him ever winning a calculated match vs him. Unless it's a dual and points are at stake if you give up something big I think he needs to get after it like at NCAA's last year.
Lee v. Suriano
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You’re right that it is impossible to prepare for him prior to wrestling him. You’re wrong that there isn’t a trend. Clearly there is, you just have excuses for them all. Gross, Micic, Suriano, RBY. All NCAA finalists who lost their first match to Desanto only to never lose again.
Losing their first match to never lose again isn't the same as being overwhelmed their first match to figuring him out and slowing him down. What did Suriano do different? Nothing. What did Gross do different? Nothing. RBY is the only one who fits the narrative. No idea about the Micic match at Cliff Keen, but in their last match it looks like DeSanto closed the gap from their second meeting, similar to how he looked better against Fix the second time around. We also have examples of the exact opposite. Gomez destroying him in their first match, but then DeSanto majoring him in the second match at NCAAs. Same with Mueller. Gets beat at Cliff Keen (twice?) and then majors him at NCAAs. Beats Lizak the first match, loses at B1Gs, and then wins at NCAAs.
Gomez isn't an NCAA finalist like Lizak, Mueller, Fix, Gross, Micic, Suriano, and RBY, but it still goes to show that sometimes DeSanto is the guy who does better after the first, second, third, etc. meeting.
Your claim that it's typical and that *all* the top guys can adjust after the first go around is just not true.
It is true. Bury your head in the sand if you want, but Desanto is an extremely one dimensional wrestler. He’s unique and can cause even the best wrestlers problems. But all the best guys eventually get their gas tank up and figure out how to stop his tricep tie game. At that point it’s game over for Desanto. Still a high AA, but not a title contender.
Who did Austin lose to at NCAA's last year? What was the score?? How did he do on the backside??? Yea, he is most definitely a title contender.
Lee v. Suriano: assuming this will take place, which for me is a big assumption at the moment, a healthy Lee beats just about everyone in the world. And I am a PSU fan, and definitely not a Suriano fan- particularly the old man. I would rather have our ‘25 get pinned than have Suriano wrestle for us.
Your wrestler loves to use his left arm under= why our wrestler holds his right arm back.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks just that simple to me.
The natural reaction by your wrestler is to find another way forward, which I am sure your excellent coaching staff is more than capable of advising him to do.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it looks just that simple to me.
The natural reaction by your wrestler is to find another way forward, which I am sure your excellent coaching staff is more than capable of advising him to do.
What does who he lost to have to do with anything? Until he proves he can beat Fix RBY or Micic (after they’ve gotten a feel for him), he’s in the second tier.
None of those “first tier” guys want see AD, you can bet on that.
Someone bookmark this thread so we can revisit it after DeSanto takes out RBY this year.
i don’t think anyone wants to see him. I’m sure no one likes wrestling him in practice either. It looks absolutely miserable wrestling him.
I don’t think ADS problem is his one dimensional game. He does have other stuff. Almost every top wrestler has his top elite goto move that he will hit, even on the best guys. And the best guys are hard to score on—you don’t see anybody scoring much on Fix or Suriano. If the refs aren’t forcing those guys to wrestle, they are nearly impossible to takedown. Fix knows he can win on rideouts, so he stalls. Fix couldn’t takedown RBY.
ADS lets the top guys to his legs or use his aggression for quality reshots. Thats the issue. Once you get down on those guys its even harder. Even Gross took him down easily. Yes, ADS could finish a touch better, but its his defense/strategy that needs tweaking, not his offense. Folkstyle lets guys sit back and wait. That hurts ADS.
What does he have that doesn’t originate from the tricep control tie? If he can’t get that he really can’t score on anyone good.
he's got an overtie shrug that he uses on occasion. he's also shown touch and go shots to both sides. all of his shots against rby since the first match haven't been from the tricep tie and he's actually gotten to a lot of them. the problem is that he can't finish consistently without the dump.
You don’t see a lot of the others because he is so successful with the dump. However, he has a wicked snap and he’s a good scrambler. In his 3rd place match he scored with a collar tie to an outside single, then scored from a scramble, then scored from a missed shot go-behind.
Is there any confirmation anywhere that he’s in State College?
Is there any confirmation anywhere that he’s planning to go to State College? 🤔🤔🤔
Heard he was seen recently dressed like Ronald McDonald… ; )
His grip wasn't as strong due to the fact that broken bones hurt more when you try to put a lot of pressure on them, so out of his 15ish takedowns, only 4 or so were from that position. Still a high percentage, because he happens to be really good at it, but he was forced to adjust and he did.
desanto's road to a title runs through his single leg finish. to this point, he can do things other than the dump, but not at the same elite level. if he can finally figure it out, he's shown he can get to these guys' legs.
as good as desanto is, crablegs is right that elite guys figure him out. i can't really consider him a title contender until he shows he can make adjustments to their adjustments.
as good as desanto is, crablegs is right that elite guys figure him out. i can't really consider him a title contender until he shows he can make adjustments to their adjustments.
