Lot of good matches Saturday.
Drake vs Frost
Parco vs. Ech
Teemer vs. Paniro
Gabe vs Boeckman
Buchanan vs. Carroll
Ben vs. Bastida
Hope there is every bit of 15k in attendance. I’m most excited about Buchanan/Carroll or Drake/Frost.
Lineups Settled: ISU v. Iowa: Who Wins?
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Drake vs Frost
Parco vs. Ech
Teemer vs. Paniro
Gabe vs Boeckman
Buchanan vs. Carroll
Ben vs. Bastida
Hope there is every bit of 15k in attendance. I’m most excited about Buchanan/Carroll or Drake/Frost.
He doesn't physically look like a decent sized 133. Often when guys are cutting too much and then move up a weight they really put on some size quickly since their body is allowed to get bigger. He looks like a fairly small 133 to me.
Agree 100%. He looked sucked up last year, but doesn’t look notably bigger/more muscular this year. His greatest asset has always been his high attack rate. If he can get into that rhythm he can still score points in bunches at this weight. His slide by is still money.
Was anyone currently on the ISU roster alive the last time ISU won this dual?
Asking for a friend.😁
Asking for a friend.😁
Word is some recruits/transfers and families are quite upset about being sold one thing on the program, then realizing it was lie with all the drunken escapades from the athletes and staff going unchecked by the HC, stolen and totaled vehicles, poaching, the demands of weight cuts, injuries, and lack of any decent medical training/nutritionists.
However you want to look at it. Gotta keep the contract of a coach out 4-5 years or he’s a dead man walking. No reason for ISU to do that.
His performance on Saturday was not good, THEN he got hurt. I will be mildly surprised if he takes the mat.
Pretty crazy when you think about it but in 2004 (the last time the Clones won) ISU coach Brent Metcalf was in HS and Derek St. John was in middle school. Metcalf is 38!
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Swiddy is a cancer inside that program.
Hope he stays.
Terukina is another problem.
Some of their guys are on a first name basis with Story County LEO.
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But in my opinion, a healthy Chittum is better than an injured or healthy Paniro. And, didn’t Chittum beat Teemer last year. There are definitely psych games being played and no chance the “probables” hold up.
Chittum is out on concussion protocol for now so he won't be wrestling
I'm guessing Dresser weighs in two guys and depending on how the first four matches go...makes the call at that point.
Clone fans say this is meaningless dual, but that's because they always lose. I suspect Dresser wants to beat Iowa more than any other team on their schedule.
It’s also because they know their line-up will change drastically by the end of the year when Echemedia and Paniro go down to make room for Chittum. Add in Terukina and Gaitan at 74
Take it to the bank. A world renown wrestling expert broke the news. Take it to the bank and tell them Mineo sent ya.
All the more reason I am not buying it. I love that teams are starting to give this guy misinformation and use it as part of their psychological game.
Dresser talked about it an interview recently. He saw a concussion specialist on the east coast a couple weeks ago. It's not a secret. My guess is he hits a holiday tournament. Dresser said the Dr told him to stay off the mat for 4-5 more weeks
He has a unique build on where the weight goes. He's noticeably bigger, but most of it is in the way of broader shoulders. I can't remember a lightweight in the last several years that has broader shoulders than Drake. I'm not arguing that he's a big 33, just that he has a deceptive build.
More facts. An illegal gambling investigation beat Iowa more than the clowns did.
Agreed.
If people really want to discuss a 1/2 point gap between 4th and 5th place at Nattys...then an asterisk should also be included.
I think the poster you quoted is actually an ISU fan.
I'm not a Iowa st fan many here know me. I just don't understand what you're watching to come up with what you say.
I've stated here on numerous occasions that for about 15 years, we went to Nattys and got our tix through ISU, sat with ISU fans/boosters, and still stay in contact with some of them to this day.
I don't get all my info from some random message board chatter.
Post #285 is absolutely on point.
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I believe last season was the first time a trophy was ever given for a fourth place team.
Maybe KD had a clause in his contract that he got a bonus for getting a trophy at Nattys, so the committee helped him out?
4 trophies have been given out for years last year they only gave out 3. Then in July the NCAA decided they would go back to 4 trophies in 2025. So they awarded a trophy for 4th place last year to Iowa st in August
125: TOSS UP. Who knows who's wrestling for either team much less who would have an advantage.
133: TOSS UP. Frost vs Ayala is one of the marquee matchups of the night with no clear advantage.
141: IOWA? Another weight with a bunch of uncertainty, but I think Block is the best of anyone on either team.
149: IOWA. Parco vs Ech is another marquee matchup. Parco should have a slight advantage, but this one is not written in stone.
157: IOWA. Like 149, Teemer vs Paniro is a marquee matchup, but Teemer should have a small advantage.
165: IOWA. Caliendo is a clear favorite here, with possible bonus over Euton, although less likely if Gaitan goes.
174: IOWA. Riggins isn't a NQ type guy. Either Brands or Kennedy should handle him, but bonus is never likely with either of them.
184: IOWA. Bockman isn't an easy out, but Gabe should handle him.
197: IOWA. Carroll might be the future of 197, but Buchanan is the present. Could be a danger if Carroll's developing rapidly at the college level.
HWT: ISU. This is a big test for Kueter, but until he proves himself, I give Yonger the slight advantage. The opposite of 197, it could be a danger for Yonger if Kueter is developing faster than anticipated.
Overall, it should be a fairly comfortable win for IOWA, but with several intriguing matchups. If Ech and Paniro move down to get Chittum in later, it would give Iowa State the advantage at 141 while not really compromising 149 or 157, and the dual would be more intriguing, but as it stands, Iowa State doesn't match up well for this one with their current configuration. They have several weights with their hammers (149, 157, 197) matched against Iowa's slighter stronger hammers and weaker guys (141, 174) matches against Iowa's less weak weaker weights. It matches up like it should be potentially more lopsided on the scoreboard than the mat.
133: TOSS UP. Frost vs Ayala is one of the marquee matchups of the night with no clear advantage.
141: IOWA? Another weight with a bunch of uncertainty, but I think Block is the best of anyone on either team.
149: IOWA. Parco vs Ech is another marquee matchup. Parco should have a slight advantage, but this one is not written in stone.
157: IOWA. Like 149, Teemer vs Paniro is a marquee matchup, but Teemer should have a small advantage.
165: IOWA. Caliendo is a clear favorite here, with possible bonus over Euton, although less likely if Gaitan goes.
174: IOWA. Riggins isn't a NQ type guy. Either Brands or Kennedy should handle him, but bonus is never likely with either of them.
184: IOWA. Bockman isn't an easy out, but Gabe should handle him.
197: IOWA. Carroll might be the future of 197, but Buchanan is the present. Could be a danger if Carroll's developing rapidly at the college level.
HWT: ISU. This is a big test for Kueter, but until he proves himself, I give Yonger the slight advantage. The opposite of 197, it could be a danger for Yonger if Kueter is developing faster than anticipated.
Overall, it should be a fairly comfortable win for IOWA, but with several intriguing matchups. If Ech and Paniro move down to get Chittum in later, it would give Iowa State the advantage at 141 while not really compromising 149 or 157, and the dual would be more intriguing, but as it stands, Iowa State doesn't match up well for this one with their current configuration. They have several weights with their hammers (149, 157, 197) matched against Iowa's slighter stronger hammers and weaker guys (141, 174) matches against Iowa's less weak weaker weights. It matches up like it should be potentially more lopsided on the scoreboard than the mat.
Kennedy wins the match by bonus, if it's brands he wins by one.
If ayala loses to a frost that's apparently been dealing with issues this year, I say we start talking about descending him back down to 125
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