Marinelli to 170?
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In the interview after the dual he said that he will be at 170 through states. Said he could get down to 160 if need be but he feels better at 170
I was under the same impression as Hawkmann in that it was just for the Blair dual, but if he can dominate up a weight and feel good....more power to him. Dude is an animal.
I like this, gets him better prepared for 165 next year.
Haven't been encouraged by Paddock and considering how much he has wrestled 174 I am guessing 165 is a cut for him. With Gilman, Clark, Meyer, and Brooks all seniors next year I think Brands should go all in and start the Bull.
I was going to mention that this could be an effort to bulk him up this year to cut to 165 for next year but didn't want to open that can of worms. But since it is opened... I am in favor at this point if he can step right in and put bonus points on whoever we put out there next year I think Brands needs to look at starting him.
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Agreed. I dont see any way we can redshirt Alex next year. 165 will be such a hole and Alex is the type he could handle going as a true freshman. Just makes sense. But there could be one way..
If Kem and Sorny are our 149/157 in whatever order and we really may want to redshirt Alex then at some point this needs to happen but it wont. Bench Cooper and just let Skyler St John get the experiance and take a few beating and lets see what we got in him. I liked the few times ive seen out of him. Looks raw but you can see flashes of DSJ. Ive been ok with Cooper up until that Gantt match. I get Gantt is legit and very good but i expected way more fight and a closer match.
Im a bit down on Cooper right now and I think some of us are kidding themselves with his upside this season. Im not even sure he will qaulify 157 for us let alone score points at nationals. Im starting to look at 157 right now as ISU did with their QB situation. Build for next year and put Richardson on the bench. If SJS is going to progress I think this is a fair question at some point?
Throw SJS out there and see if the light bulb shines bright and maybe just ,maybe he is more ready for 165 next season if he gets Coopers starts.
If anything id like to see them start rotating starts at 157 again. Starting this weekend. Who wants Imart?
Agreed. I dont see any way we can redshirt Alex next year. 165 will be such a hole and Alex is the type he could handle going as a true freshman. Just makes sense. But there could be one way..
If Kem and Sorny are our 149/157 in whatever order and we really may want to redshirt Alex then at some point this needs to happen but it wont. Bench Cooper and just let Skyler St John get the experiance and take a few beating and lets see what we got in him. I liked the few times ive seen out of him. Looks raw but you can see flashes of DSJ. Ive been ok with Cooper up until that Gantt match. I get Gantt is legit and very good but i expected way more fight and a closer match.
Im a bit down on Cooper right now and I think some of us are kidding themselves with his upside this season. Im not even sure he will qaulify 157 for us let alone score points at nationals. Im starting to look at 157 right now as ISU did with their QB situation. Build for next year and put Richardson on the bench. If SJS is going to progress I think this is a fair question at some point?
Throw SJS out there and see if the light bulb shines bright and maybe just ,maybe he is more ready for 165 next season if he gets Coopers starts.
If anything id like to see them start rotating starts at 157 again. Starting this weekend. Who wants Imart?
25 Gilman
33 Clark
41 Turk
49 Kemerer
57 Sorenson
65 The Bull
74 Meyer
84 Brooks
97 Holloway
HWT Stoll
Solid!!! But let's finish 2016 with a title too
I'm going to guess that a flip at 149 and 157 is more like it. BS seems better suited at 49 while Kemmerer has more the frame for 57. Just my 2 cent opinion.
Knight, that's a very good looking lineup. 141 and 197 are the weaker spots, but the output by the rest would be enough to cover them up.
Or25 Gilman
33 Clark
41 Turk
49 Kemerer
57 Sorenson
65 The Bull
74 Meyer
84 Brooks
97 Holloway
HWT Stoll
Solid!!! But let's finish 2016 with a title too
Gilman
Clark
Turk/Carton
Kemdawg
BS
The Bull
Paddock
Meyer
Brooks
Stoll.
We can flip 49/57 but it would be an easier transition for BS to be 157. He is a big 149 and strong as hell. Kem is just now filling into a 149. They will both be great regardless of weight. I may be in the minority, but Holloway impressed me at Midlands. He just needs more mat time and conditioning. Paddock is a big question mark for me right now.
Regardless, our best team would likely include the Bull not taking a RS. By the way, I would love to have Burak for one more season. Pulling a RS isn't always the right choice and maybe The Bull wants to RS. It is easy for us to throw him in the lineup.
We have several potential lineups next season. Would Clark consider going 141 and can Topher make 33? I think Clark is settled in at 33 but earlier there were rumblings about an eventual move to 41. This is some fun stuff to discuss as we wait for the next dual. I could do without Ihawks constant negativity and second guessing of the coaches with every aspect of the program.
I don't think Clark has the size for 141, and he will be the favorite for a title next year at 133, and he is still very much in contention for the title this year. I know hindsight is 20/20, but imagine if Burak had redshirted his 'true' freshman year and still had 1 more year left. He very well could've been a 4x AA (He was still dang close anyways impressive R12 finish to his up and down FR season) and he'd be able to finish his career with Gilman/Clark and co. as well as making Iowa the heavy favorites next season. But without dwelling too much on the what ifs, here is what I think our lineup will look like next season:
125 Gilman
133 Clark
141 Carton/Turk (Carton has the edge now, could change in a year)
149 Kemerer
157 Sorensen
165 Marinelli
174 Meyer
184 Brooks
197 Holloway
285 Stoll
I see 8 AA's with 141 and 197 being our weak spots, hopefully Holloway has a 'Burak-like' upward Trajectory next year like we saw during Buraks True Freshman campaign, went from losing to D3 kid at Iowa City duals, to sticking the 6 seed and making the R12 at NCAAs where he lost to the 4 seed and ended with a 20-17 record, hell of a year. If Carton is the guy, I think we more or less know what we'll be getting, maybe a little better version, and if Turk is the guy hopefully we see a similar trajectory, he could have a lot of upside if he gets a full season of starts and experience under his belt.
125 Gilman
133 Clark
141 Carton/Turk (Carton has the edge now, could change in a year)
149 Kemerer
157 Sorensen
165 Marinelli
174 Meyer
184 Brooks
197 Holloway
285 Stoll
I see 8 AA's with 141 and 197 being our weak spots, hopefully Holloway has a 'Burak-like' upward Trajectory next year like we saw during Buraks True Freshman campaign, went from losing to D3 kid at Iowa City duals, to sticking the 6 seed and making the R12 at NCAAs where he lost to the 4 seed and ended with a 20-17 record, hell of a year. If Carton is the guy, I think we more or less know what we'll be getting, maybe a little better version, and if Turk is the guy hopefully we see a similar trajectory, he could have a lot of upside if he gets a full season of starts and experience under his belt.
I agree. I think Sorny is done growing and while he may be a big 149 he can definatly hold it out for his career. Plus I dont think Kem is done growing. Most PSU fans who spoke about him when he recruited him said they would be suprosed if he holds 149 for more than a season.
Kem just needs to use this year to get stronger and work on defense and getting out. Hes got the offense and the talent is there to thrive at 157. Only problem is Im not sure it matters who goes 157 because I dont see either Sorny or Kem beating Imart, Nolf or JoJo. So likely looky 3rd/4th at best case next year. Im sorry i like Sorny a lot but i cant take him over those guys up a weight. Which supports keeping Sorny at 149 because out of the 2 weights that is our best shot at a Champion in either combinations we want to debate.
And it helps his senior teammate Garrett Jordan go from having little shot at a title at 170 to being the favorite at 160. Plus Graham is out of high level opponents/tournaments for the rest of the year minus the St Ed's dual who doesn't have a good 170.
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I doubt nolf stays at 157. There was talks this year whether he would be at 57 or 65. Who knows with imar. He's a tank but he's so short so I'm guessing he's a career 57.
I agree with your Cooper/StJ strategy in theory, but Cooper has beaten 2-3 guys ranked in the teens and is ranked #16 by Intermat. To me that's spitting distance of R12, which is worth a few points at NCAAs. Meanwhile, I'm not yet convinced that StJ even exists. (Although, per his match-by-match results, he is undefeated in his Hawkeye career with all win(s) coming by bonus points.) If StJ is really that close to Cooper in talent level, I think we'd see more (any?) of him.
As has every freshman straight out of High School in Tom Brands tenure. Book it.
That will change next year, just not Happel.
I would get myself fitted for some sort of oxygen apparatus waiting for that to happen.
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I would hope so. Hope I'm wrong, and he may turn out fine, but right now I just think he's got a ways to go. Flo has Happel ranked #12. Intermat has 3 underclassmen ranked above him.
His Night of Conflict didn't help his rankings. Happel will be just fine. He will get his 4th title this year and I expect him to do well in freestyle this summer. His loses last summer where to some really good wrestlers Tristan Moran, Boo Lewallen, and Matt Koloziak(spelled wrong I'm sure) which got him 5th at Fargo.
Though I agree Cooper isn't likely to be a point scorer at the NCAAs it would take quite a collapse from him the rest of the year to not qualify. Highly, highly unlikely. We are trying to win THIS year. The best wrestler needs to be on the mat. Give me the guy who is ranked and has beaten ranked wrestlers over the guy who's only been able to find the wrestling mat in competition one time in two years--at this point, anyway.
BTW, you realize the coach who had that brilliant idea for ISU got fired, right?
I totally understand that but Rhoads getting fired had nothing to do with the QB change. Well it got Mangino fired becasue he didnt want that. In fact the QB change was a hail mary by Rhoads that was about the only way to save his job and he almost pulled it off. QB change was a positive for Rhoads and the program, however Rhoads found a way at KSU to even overcome that with even more horrible coaching.
As for Cooper, I dont know, I think your hoping more than you want with him. I think the problem is what Tarp was saying. We are hoping for a possible round 12 with Cooper now. And the ranked guys he beat, he turned around and lost to one of them (Richie Lewis) the next time. Lewis is a round 12 guy and to me Cooper beating him was the fluke, not the other way around.,Im just simply suggest that I dont like where i see Cooper heading so lets build for the future with SJS. Tarp I saw him wrestle a high scoring match earlier this year. Ive never been a fan of SJS and really didnt think he was that talented and was just living on his name. But that kid has come a long way and is much improved. Id like to see where it can go and if it can get accelerated by more mat time. hes pretty active and showed some fight. I question if Cooper has some fight or get upset in some of these matches. Reminds me of Jeva way too much. Gets behind and just no urgency.
I dont expect Cooper to get benched but I will be upset if SJS doesnt get a few spot starts or even split some of these weekend duals.
Oh no ihawk is going to be upset if SSJ doesn't get some pointless spot starts. What's new? The future at 157 is Kem or BS so what is your point again? The future at 165 is probably The Bull. So at least try to make some sense or better yet go back to silent mode for awhile.
Cooper and Lewis' matches were 2 point and 1 point matches. But clearly one win was a fluke and the other showed superiority?
I don't think either guy is Round of 12. But Cooper would have to basically fall flat on his face the rest of the year to not qualify for the NCAAs.
St. John is likely to never be a starter at Iowa. He's been on the mat for a total of one match since he's joined the program. Yes, it was "high scoring" but it should have been high scoring--it was major decision against a mediocre, unranked JUCO wrestler that Nick Moore pinned last year.
Put the best guy on the mat. Period. If a spot start is going to keep Cooper motivated, so be it.
IMart might go up next year after D-Ringer is gone, but looks like Nolf will have to stay at 157 since Cenzo can't make that weight(missed twice this year).
I think nolf will go wherever he wants.
Marinelli and Garrett Jordan flip weights to help Garrett's chances of a state title.
Lol, I have to make sense to you? I dont remember that being a message board requirement when i signed up?
Getting SSJ a few starts is far from pointless. There is valuable learning and teaching moments for him and the staff in each of those starts. Secondly we may need SSJ next season. He is big enough at 157 that he could be a backup guy at both 157/165 next year. What if Kem/Sorny @157 or say Bull @165 get hurt? We need to have a backup as up to speed as we can. Plus what if Paddock cant make 165 again next year? Im just saying it wouldnt hurt to put a little more emphasis into SJS development while at the same time see if we can light a fire under Cooper being on the bench and making him fight for his job again or at least getting that urgency back in that he need to wrestle like he is under water fighting to get a fresh breath of air.
I think Coop was wrestling a tad bit better before he got the job handed to him, Brands went public with that, and then got ranked. He seemed to be too content at midlands for me. Looked like he had no worries when Gantt was just packing his lunch. Get upset Coop, even JoJo Smith showed what he was about getting 3rd period takedowns while behind on Nolf and Imart this season. Show some fight, get yourself a small thing to build on. Imart is going to just work him tomorrow but give me something to show me you dont like it. I had enough of that nothingness with Jeva. I dont care if you push Imart in the back or drive him out of bounds. Just something. But thats just my opinion, which mostly never makes sense.
Prolly reading to much into tho. Really if someone can tell me that SJS is getting worked over by any one of the other true freshman around that weight? Then ya i agree that getting SJS some starts doesnt mean a thing. But ive never heard or got the impession that any one other than Copper, Rhoads and Paddock are beating SJS in the room. Correct me if i am wrong? Please tell me a Guenther, Erickson type or someone is emerging out of the million 157 pounders we recruited?
I will hang up and listen to any practice room guru's? But last time I could swear it was SJS emerging. Ah full circle! Im dizzy, gotta go lay down now.
Curious what wieght did Alex win his first state title at? I remember reading that he could be the heaviest weighted kid to win 4 Ohio state tiles? if that makes sense, not sure how to word that.
And lets assume he gets the 170 this year. What 4 weights did he win at?
It's not really a word. So kinda hard to ban it, I think.
But I agree with you......should be banned.
