Sorry, I have no effing idea what you are talking about. If you think the worry surrounding Covid-19 is overblown to get funding, wow. Just wow.
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Describe in detail the entire process of obtaining a federally funded scientific research grant: NIH, NSF, VA...
I have a friend who has a fever and sore throat. Her doctor got her an authorization for a COVID-19 test and is self-isolating. She hasn't been able to have a test. She is in her upper 50's and is in otherwise great health. We can't blow off the seriousness of COVID-19.
That's a dramatic statement. Yes it is. So far it's not even up to the murder rate in Chicago.
Certain scientists are only interested in stroking their own ego, how much money they can make and have scientific theory based on hunches. Oh wait, wrong group of people, that is certain politicians.
I saw an old man at Home Depot Friday night walk out of crapper and walk right out. What changed my mind is dumb asses like that guy are still abundant and could care less about their own hygiene or that of anyone else. You can be close to people you trust but 20,000 strangers will likely have plenty of pigs like Home Depot guy. Its a shame but stupid people is what is making these measures so extreme.
it’s not my fault you suck at comprehension, and I don’t have the time or patience to explain it further.
Okay. You suck at trying to explain things and are a dick about it when no one gets you. GFY
Again, I don’t care to have an in-depth discussion on this but the idea that scientists are completely unbiased simply because they are scientists is ridiculous.
Michael Mann and East Anglica U beg to differ. No, wait, involuntarily agree. Well, one of those.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Better to know someone before you insult their intelligence.
Italy is currently reporting 350 new deaths a day. It appears we are on the same trajectory as them at the moment with about a 10 day lag. If this doesn’t register with you as significant then most likely nothing will.
Why is it assumed we are on that trajectory rather than anu other countries in Europe?
If I thought you had any clue what you're talking about I would ask why the rest of Europe is having a different experience but I know you're just talking out of your ass.
So, we're to believe that some scientists are so bent on getting grant money that they would blow this thing out of proportion....and that the idiots who are billionaires/millionaires and run professional sports would fold to the false marketing machine that these scientists have? hmmmm.....
In congressional testimony this week, Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the top medical experts in the Trump administration, said that the new coronavirus “is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”
What does “ten times more lethal” mean? — the math is simple. If 40 million Americans get the seasonal flu, a 0.1 percent fatality rate means 40,000 deaths. If 40 million Americans get the new coronavirus, a 1 percent fatality rate means 400,000 deaths.
So the difference between a 0.1 percent and a 1.0 percent fatality rate could be 360,000 dead Americans.
Fauci was directly asked during his congressional testimony how many Americans will get the coronavirus and how many will die. “It is going to be totally dependent on how we respond to it.
Those who suggest that the coronavirus presents no greater threat than does the seasonal flu need to answer some questions:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-national-emergency-coronavirus
In congressional testimony this week, Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the top medical experts in the Trump administration, said that the new coronavirus “is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”
What does “ten times more lethal” mean? — the math is simple. If 40 million Americans get the seasonal flu, a 0.1 percent fatality rate means 40,000 deaths. If 40 million Americans get the new coronavirus, a 1 percent fatality rate means 400,000 deaths.
So the difference between a 0.1 percent and a 1.0 percent fatality rate could be 360,000 dead Americans.
Fauci was directly asked during his congressional testimony how many Americans will get the coronavirus and how many will die. “It is going to be totally dependent on how we respond to it.
Those who suggest that the coronavirus presents no greater threat than does the seasonal flu need to answer some questions:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-national-emergency-coronavirus
- Why are Italian hospitals being overrun with Covid-19 patients, and why doesn’t that happen with the seasonal flu? Why can’t that happen here?
- Why are the Iranians digging mass graves that are visible from outer space?
- Why did Communist China — a regime that cares much more about national strength than about human life — shut down factories and bring its economy to the brink of recession in an effort to contain the spread of the virus?
- Why did Japan announce a month-long closure of all schools two weeks ago, when there were only four coronavirus deaths in the entire country?
- Are we supposed to believe that the Japanese, South Koreans, and Chinese are panicky idiots who don’t understand math and science?
Chew on all the stats not just cherry pick. The economic devastation from this panic and shutdown will cause will far exceed the loss of life.
The world population is 7.7 billion and the US population is 330 million with approximately 3 million deaths each year. The 400k (if true) which is a big number would rank it #3 on the CDC’s list for loss of life reasons. The global death rate for this is less than 10k which includes China and Italy.
You see there’s a panic in the grocery stores over TP, just wait until the economy collapses. Of course none of you will be posting then.
“In the United States, the estimate is 236,000 deaths” in 2020, and the projected cost in lost financial output this year was estimated to be a staggering $1.7 trillion,” the authors explained, based on complex modeling. “With the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Washington already advocating Americans consider such mitigating actions, “as school dismissals, event cancellations, [and] social distancing,” the impact on a whole host of industries in the United States could be severe. If coronavirus were the only crisis that the country was grappling with, then the situation would be alarming. Unfortunately, it is being compounded by several other major threats as well.
When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio was 30.6 percent. The national debt was over $1 trillion by the end of that year. The debt-to-GDP ratio and national debt rose slowly at first, hitting $5.8 trillion and a debt-to-GDP ratio of 55 percent when George W. Bush took office in 2001. Following 9/11 and with the onset of permanent wars, however, thenational debt skyrocketed to $10 trillion when Obama took over, $20 trillion when President Donald Trump was inaugurated, and it is now $23 trillion; debt-to-GDP is 107 percent.
The world population is 7.7 billion and the US population is 330 million with approximately 3 million deaths each year. The 400k (if true) which is a big number would rank it #3 on the CDC’s list for loss of life reasons. The global death rate for this is less than 10k which includes China and Italy.
You see there’s a panic in the grocery stores over TP, just wait until the economy collapses. Of course none of you will be posting then.
“In the United States, the estimate is 236,000 deaths” in 2020, and the projected cost in lost financial output this year was estimated to be a staggering $1.7 trillion,” the authors explained, based on complex modeling. “With the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Washington already advocating Americans consider such mitigating actions, “as school dismissals, event cancellations, [and] social distancing,” the impact on a whole host of industries in the United States could be severe. If coronavirus were the only crisis that the country was grappling with, then the situation would be alarming. Unfortunately, it is being compounded by several other major threats as well.
When Ronald Reagan took office in 1981, the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio was 30.6 percent. The national debt was over $1 trillion by the end of that year. The debt-to-GDP ratio and national debt rose slowly at first, hitting $5.8 trillion and a debt-to-GDP ratio of 55 percent when George W. Bush took office in 2001. Following 9/11 and with the onset of permanent wars, however, thenational debt skyrocketed to $10 trillion when Obama took over, $20 trillion when President Donald Trump was inaugurated, and it is now $23 trillion; debt-to-GDP is 107 percent.
Who is paying for this?
USA estimates of 1.7 trillion to start for this....
From Europe....
“We will do whatever is necessary to support the Europeans and the European economy,” said Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm. She said the commission would allocate 37 billion euros, or $41 billion, to fight the health and economic consequences of the coronavirus.
Australia with 300 cases....
Pain can be avoided with a $5bn injection each quarter
Australia’s economy will be driven as much by the policy response to the coronavirus as the fallout from the coronavirus itself.
USA estimates of 1.7 trillion to start for this....
From Europe....
“We will do whatever is necessary to support the Europeans and the European economy,” said Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm. She said the commission would allocate 37 billion euros, or $41 billion, to fight the health and economic consequences of the coronavirus.
Australia with 300 cases....
Pain can be avoided with a $5bn injection each quarter
Australia’s economy will be driven as much by the policy response to the coronavirus as the fallout from the coronavirus itself.
No more insults. I read. A lot. Especially about something as important as this. Here is a website with stats regarding this: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus. It has charts that show where we (the US) is in growth rate of the disease as well as other countries in the world. There is a lot of good, solid data there. Hopefully it will help you to understand why some of us are worried.
The economic costs you’re citing include the loss of work/productivity from those who get sick. Based on what you’re arguing, you’d need to isolate the economic costs solely related to cancelling certain events and activity of healthy people.
Fair point. It’s still going to be a very big number for panic and group think/social pressure. If the economy collapses, there will be far more cases and deaths than what we are trying to curtail / prevent.
The expectation in this country is someone else is going to pay for my decisions.
Have you seen estimates for the costs of “social distancing” measures?
I believe there are actuarial tables assigning general values for the average life for purposes of doing some sort of cost benefit of protective measures for each life saved. I believe I last saw this around 15 years ago and the value per life was ~$1M. Let’s say initial estimates of total deaths was ~500,000 and it’s estimated that the social distancing measures will cut total deaths in half. If we use a value of ~$1M per life, that would mean we’d generally be willing to withstand $250B of economic costs to save 250,000 lives.
That’s interesting and this is the type of thinking we need discussed. Everyone wants to save the world as long as it does not cost them personally.
There’s a cost / benefit to making a case for decisions made.
Let’s look at the cancel of an event like the NCAA tournament. That’s a 1 billion dollar economic loss - GONE.
So, the NCAA now makes over a billion dollars per year from the TV rights to its basketball tournament starring unpaid basketball players. And that doesn't include the money it makes from other media rights and ticket sales.
The Houston rodeo of all things... GONE
Houston Rodeo called off as fears about new coronavirus continue to spread in Texas
It’s another devastating cultural and economic blow to a state that has confirmed more than 30 cases of the virus. Last year, the event drew more than 2.5 million attendees.
The cancellation robs Houston of an untold portion of the enormous economic boon brought every year by the event. Last year, the 24-day celebration generated $391 million in economic activity in the greater Houston area and attracted more than 2.5 million visitors.
This is just 2 events of thousands in our country lost. Think of a all that is now lost with this shutdown. There was no other strategy possible ?
You just can't seem to grasp a really basic fact that almost everyone else is getting. If you don't shut countries down, the virus spreads out of control, and potentially millions of people die. If that ain't important to you, uhhh????
You are now my eighth ignore. Hope your posts on this improve and that none of your loved ones are among the victims.
This is just data.....
1 million divided by 330 million is what %?
1 million divided by 7.7 billion is what %?
What will the cost of hysteria that collapses life as we know it be ?
3 million of our loved ones die in American every year. That’s 8219 deaths per day in this country.
CDC causes of death
- Heart disease: 647,457
- Cancer: 599,108
- Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
- Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
- Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
- Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
- Diabetes: 83,564
- Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
- Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
- Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173
- Data for United States in 2018
- Number of deaths: 2,839,205
- Death rate: 867.8 deaths per 100,000 population
- Life expectancy: 78.7 years
- Infant Mortality rate: 5.66 deaths per 1,000 live births
I’ll give you one more to chew on and that’s shutting down the school system means impoverished children on free and reduced lunches are sent home. A number of those children get their only meals from school.
Will there be media coverage and social media on hungry children?
The National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is the Nation's second largest food and nutrition assistance program. In fiscal year (FY) 2018, it operated in nearly 100,000 public and nonprofit private schools (grades PK-12) and residential child care institutions. The NSLP provided low-cost or free lunches to 29.7 million children daily at a cost of $13.8 billion
Will there be media coverage and social media on hungry children?
The National School Lunch Program (NSLP) is the Nation's second largest food and nutrition assistance program. In fiscal year (FY) 2018, it operated in nearly 100,000 public and nonprofit private schools (grades PK-12) and residential child care institutions. The NSLP provided low-cost or free lunches to 29.7 million children daily at a cost of $13.8 billion
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