Most Democrats Don’t Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows

hawkjt

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Joe's biggest mistake is bad timing.
No dem could have done a damn thing about pandemic/Ukraine caused inflation.
Tough break for Joe.
He has stitched NATO back together and generally done fine with foreign policy which is really the only area he can do what he wants unencumbered by the GOP.
His jobs record is strong and normally that would carry the day.
But pesky inflation screwed him.
Still, 2 years is a.lifetime in politics.
If inflation settles down without a deep recession he might be ok.
In 1982 Reagan was in.deep trouble only to have enough green shoots in the economy to win 48 states in 1984 with unemployment still at 7.2%...double of today.
 

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Joe's biggest mistake is bad timing.
No dem could have done a damn thing about pandemic/Ukraine caused inflation.
Tough break for Joe.
He has stitched NATO back together and generally done fine with foreign policy which is really the only area he can do what he wants unencumbered by the GOP.
His jobs record is strong and normally that would carry the day.
But pesky inflation screwed him.
Still, 2 years is a.lifetime in politics.
If inflation settles down without a deep recession he might be ok.
In 1982 Reagan was in.deep trouble only to have enough green shoots in the economy to win 48 states in 1984 with unemployment still at 7.2%...double of today.
Russia has stitched NATO back together****

Job numbers are somewhat inflated due to the pandemic. He was part of the problem with inflation. Also what hurts him is obviously his age but how he portrays leadership. His talking style and how he comes off is far from what a leader sounds like imo.
 

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Joe's biggest mistake is bad timing.
No dem could have done a damn thing about pandemic/Ukraine caused inflation.
Tough break for Joe.
He has stitched NATO back together and generally done fine with foreign policy which is really the only area he can do what he wants unencumbered by the GOP.
His jobs record is strong and normally that would carry the day.
But pesky inflation screwed him.
Still, 2 years is a.lifetime in politics.
If inflation settles down without a deep recession he might be ok.
In 1982 Reagan was in.deep trouble only to have enough green shoots in the economy to win 48 states in 1984 with unemployment still at 7.2%...double of today.
There is certainly truth to the timing issue, as there generally always is. Just as there is truth that you can be a beneficiary of it. To wit:
1. While it is certainly unreasonable to expect him to have "solved" the pandemic, I'm not sure he's done anything discernable to make it better. In that respect, he may well have been a beneficiary of timing.
2. I agree that it has been nice that he has had a strategy, and has executed on it reasonably well, when it comes to Ukraine. However, it's not at all clear yet whether it's been the "right" strategy if the goal was in fact to limit/prevent conflict in UKR. Moreover, long term, it is also interesting to consider whether it is or is not in the United States' long term interest to have a "united" Europe (assuming that holds). But I certainly don't begrudge people for making reasonable choices that end up being wrong.
3. Again, jobs have indeed grown, but here he may well be a beneficiary of timing with the natural "reopening" of the economy. And I'm not sure what they look like relative to pre-pandemic levels, which is probably the better "objective" criteria.
4. As to unemployment and Reagan, remember that in 1982 unemployment was at 9.7%. And as to inflation, well the numbers were ~7% and 4% respectively. The relevant question is not the number but the trend. On that, as you say, 2 years is a lifetime in politics.
 

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Russia has stitched NATO back together****

Job numbers are somewhat inflated due to the pandemic. He was part of the problem with inflation. Also what hurts him is obviously his age but how he portrays leadership. His talking style and how he comes off is far from what a leader sounds like imo.
...and he still shows he has the sticky fingers/sniffing habit with young girls and women. Turn a bunch of people off. Not all of the endless videos of Hunter isn't helping for sure.
 

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I like Joe. I knew Joe would bring a sense of normalcy back to a fractured and wounded country. But I never saw him as anything thing more than a pause so we could catch or national breath. Joe has done his bit, he has served his country well...but know its time for him to enjoy some quiet time and let someone else take up the yoke. Who? I don't know for sure. But I do know that we have some big decisions coming up soon, and neither a Trump or a Biden will do this time.
Exactly, soy. I like Joe too and he did a great job for us stepping in in 2020. I really think he didn't want to do it then but felt he had to. He's too freakin old to run again but I think he will if he feels he has to. And sadly he may. Because who the hell else is there? Not Kamala for god's sake. I'm not sure even her own family would vote for her. If she's the candidate I'll vote for her rather than whatever flaming piece of crap the Republicans put up but I won't like it.

As a Democrat I'm a little desperate. Who the hell is there? No names come to mind just now. If Joe runs again I'll be sad for him but grateful for his sacrifice. A truly great man who puts country above all else.
 

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Exactly, soy. I like Joe too and he did a great job for us stepping in in 2020. I really think he didn't want to do it then but felt he had to. He's too freakin old to run again but I think he will if he feels he has to. And sadly he may. Because who the hell else is there? Not Kamala for god's sake. I'm not sure even her own family would vote for her. If she's the candidate I'll vote for her rather than whatever flaming piece of crap the Republicans put up but I won't like it.

As a Democrat I'm a little desperate. Who the hell is there? No names come to mind just now. If Joe runs again I'll be sad for him but grateful for his sacrifice. A truly great man who puts country above all else.
You should draft mark Warner. Full stop.
 

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Exactly, soy. I like Joe too and he did a great job for us stepping in in 2020. I really think he didn't want to do it then but felt he had to. He's too freakin old to run again but I think he will if he feels he has to. And sadly he may. Because who the hell else is there? Not Kamala for god's sake. I'm not sure even her own family would vote for her. If she's the candidate I'll vote for her rather than whatever flaming piece of crap the Republicans put up but I won't like it.

As a Democrat I'm a little desperate. Who the hell is there? No names come to mind just now. If Joe runs again I'll be sad for him but grateful for his sacrifice. A truly great man who puts country above all else.
Mark Cuban
 

l.todd

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Of course you would. Because you’re backwards.
So a guy more or less says he doesn't want Trump, but you criticize him anyway?? I thought the whole point of Biden was that he could beat Trump. I know you hate DeSantis, but Youngkin as well? Sounds like it isn't really Trump that is bad, it is anyone who disagrees with you politically. And I know, fascist, authoritarian, Nazi, blah, blah, blah. And I hate Trump and always have. People like you and Chis just make it really hard to respect your side.
 

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Exactly, soy. I like Joe too and he did a great job for us stepping in in 2020. I really think he didn't want to do it then but felt he had to. He's too freakin old to run again but I think he will if he feels he has to. And sadly he may. Because who the hell else is there? Not Kamala for god's sake. I'm not sure even her own family would vote for her. If she's the candidate I'll vote for her rather than whatever flaming piece of crap the Republicans put up but I won't like it.

As a Democrat I'm a little desperate. Who the hell is there? No names come to mind just now. If Joe runs again I'll be sad for him but grateful for his sacrifice. A truly great man who puts country above all else.

Wow. He is a good guy and all, but I don't think anything he has done in his career would qualify this.
 

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^ What sort of brain damage is involved when one can't even remember 2020? Let me guess, another idiot that thinks global inflation and global oil prices are Biden's fault? 🤣
The United States is sitting on more oil in Alaska alone than the entire middle east. This administration just plain refuses to go get it. It's almost like this is by design.
 

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You can take it to the bank, neither Biden or Trump will
be a Presidential candidate in 2024. Liz Cheney is gaining
name recognition and could decide to run. The Democrats
lack a serious candidate at the present time.
I hope you are right about Trump and Biden. I’d vote Cheney, but she won’t be the R candidate. No way that happens.
 
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As a Democrat I'm a little desperate. Who the hell is there?
Off the top of my head...

Sheldon Whitehouse
Elizabeth Warren
Gavin Newsom
Cory Booker
Ed Markey

I wouldn't be thrilled with a Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket - not nearly as progressive as we need - but I'd probably vote for them. Still mad at them for lying about Medicare for All and for downplaying climate change. Yeah, yeah, they were just following the party line, but we need profiles in courage, not timid yes-men (and women).

Who've you got?

BTW, I really want AOC to run to push the field to the left. I know the DNC won't let her sniff the nomination, but somebody needs to keep them honest, and it's asking too much to expect Bernie to be that guy again.
 

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Off the top of my head...

Sheldon Whitehouse
Elizabeth Warren
Gavin Newsom
Cory Booker
Ed Markey

I wouldn't be thrilled with a Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket - not nearly as progressive as we need - but I'd probably vote for them. Still mad at them for lying about Medicare for All and for downplaying climate change. Yeah, yeah, they were just following the party line, but we need profiles in courage, not timid yes-men (and women).

Who've you got?

BTW, I really want AOC to run to push the field to the left. I know the DNC won't let her sniff the nomination, but somebody needs to keep them honest, and it's asking too much to expect Bernie to be that guy again.

Here’s the thing. IMHO we don’t need candidates to push the field left. The country I believe is moving left already - not the least of the reasons I think the GOP has fought so hard to entrench conservative judges all over is that they know they’re slowly losing on policies and social issues.
 
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Off the top of my head...

Sheldon Whitehouse
Elizabeth Warren
Gavin Newsom
Cory Booker
Ed Markey

I wouldn't be thrilled with a Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket - not nearly as progressive as we need - but I'd probably vote for them. Still mad at them for lying about Medicare for All and for downplaying climate change. Yeah, yeah, they were just following the party line, but we need profiles in courage, not timid yes-men (and women).

Who've you got?

BTW, I really want AOC to run to push the field to the left. I know the DNC won't let her sniff the nomination, but somebody needs to keep them honest, and it's asking too much to expect Bernie to be that guy again.
Good grief. Hello President DeSantis.
 
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I would vote for Amy Whitehouse before I voted for Sheldon Whitehouse.



I want Yang to run again as an independent and I want to know more about Tulsi from the left. I thought yang was insane for Universal income but as crazy as it sounds he might be the closest thing to a fiscal conservative we have. (From what little I know about him)
 

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What is going to come out in the next 2 years that makes me regret paying attention to people talking about JB Pritzker setting up a future run? Some of the Bernie Bros regard him as not the worst Democrat ever based on his term as governor delivering on most of his campaign (which is not nearly as far left as Bernie or Elizabeth Warren). He can basically go with the Trump pitch of "I've got my own money and I don't owe special interests" only he also has a legal education and a background including a term as governor of a state that's diverse economically (urban, suburban, rural, internationally prominent).

I would prefer Biden announces after midterms that he is not going to run for reelection to give the Dems time to have a full primary season and let a real campaign happen without the DNC choosing a successor. If they just tell voters which Senator's turn it is to run for president and Biden/Harris continue this uninspiring substitute teacher term, they're not going to turn out normal voters against Ron DeSantis or Greg Abbott.
 
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Here’s the thing. IMHO we don’t need candidates to push the field left. The country I believe is moving left already - not the least of the reasons I think the GOP has fought so hard to entrench conservative judges all over is that they know they’re slowly losing on policies and social issues.
So we shouldn't actually elect candidates who will push for the liberal values that most Americans want?

I don't understand this position.

Corporate Dems don't want or drag their heels on such widely approved liberal values as Medicare for All, public education through at least community college, and a safe, healthy environment.

Meanwhile, corporate Republicans own the courts and too many state legislatures, and will soon own Congress.

We may have been moving glacially toward social liberalism - gay marriage and such - but even that is being reversed, starting with Dobbs. How do you expect any of this to be advanced without honest advocates in high office?
 
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Meh. People say that, then if you stack up options they don't want that, either. The desire for change is a constant in the electorate.
As I have said before, Biden, and Dems in general, need to do a better job in defining themselves, and in highlighting how unpopular GOP positions are.
Actually in 2020 there were a few candidates a lot of people wanted, but still ended up with Joe. So we had to back Joe bc it was him or 4 more years of Trump. So let's see the options, but as of right now, I don't really want Biden either.
 
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You can take it to the bank, neither Biden or Trump will
be a Presidential candidate in 2024. Liz Cheney is gaining
name recognition and could decide to run. The Democrats
lack a serious candidate at the present time.
Weren't the GOP trying to censure her not long ago? You see the party turning around and backing her for President?
 

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If Joe decides to run, will the DNC support him? Will the DNC try to bully him into not running, which would be a major shift from 2020? Would the DNC quietly enlist someone else to run, perhaps Booker? If Biden does run, and someone like Booker also declares, who does the DNC support?
 

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If Joe decides to run, will the DNC support him? Will the DNC try to bully him into not running, which would be a major shift from 2020? Would the DNC quietly enlist someone else to run, perhaps Booker? If Biden does run, and someone like Booker also declares, who does the DNC support?
Probably Biden since he's the incumbent. I think the only way the DNC doesn't support him is if he decides to step down himself.
 

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So we shouldn't actually elect candidates who will push for the liberal values that most Americans want?

I don't understand this position.

Corporate Dems don't want or drag their heels on such widely approved liberal values as Medicare for All, public education through at least community college, and a safe, healthy environment.

Meanwhile, corporate Republicans own the courts and too many state legislatures, and will soon own Congress.

We may have been moving glacially toward social liberalism - gay marriage and such - but even that is being reversed, starting with Dobbs. How do you expect any of this to be advanced without honest advocates in high office?

There is a difference between pushing for change candidates and pushing for RADICAL change, especially in terms of what the general public is willing to accept in one go.

People like Bernie or AOC who advocate for radical changes, scare people at large who aren’t ready for all of that change to happen at once. I’m not saying we shouldn’t want candidates who promote liberal values. I am saying that we need candidates who also realize they need to thread the needle between their liberal positions and what the general public is ready to vote for.

Bernie couldn’t win the democratic nomination twice because he doesn’t appeal to Americans outside his wing of the democratic party. AOC likewise lacks that broader appeal at this point. Trump wins in ‘20 running against Bernie because he could have scared enough of the political center about Bernie, whereas Biden won because he’s well-defined and attempts to paint him as a socialist didn’t stick.
 
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Really? Do you think he stands a chance against anyone in the GOP? Can you find anyone other than Warren who's more divisive and smug?

If Joe decides to run, will the DNC support him? Will the DNC try to bully him into not running, which would be a major shift from 2020? Would the DNC quietly enlist someone else to run, perhaps Booker? If Biden does run, and someone like Booker also declares, who does the DNC support?

I would vote for Gavin every day and twice on Sunday if it were legal. I’m willing to bet there’s no primaries, so I’ll vote Biden if he’s carted up there, but the democrats definitely need a change of leadership. DeSantis and Trump are psychopaths.
 
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There is a difference between pushing for change candidates and pushing for RADICAL change, especially in terms of what the general public is willing to accept in one go.
Nothing particularly radical about wanting to save us from climate catastrophe, wanting to provide a high level of affordable health care, wanting to secure democracy, wanting to protect women's rights, wanting to keep religion out of government, wanting public education in the 21st century to go a little further than it did in the 1950s....

The problem isn't that any of that is radical. The problem is that the Dems and libs have squandered decades when they could have been educating people on these issues.

The right and cowards in the Dem party have used dishonest framing and propaganda to great effect.
 
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Really? Do you think he stands a chance against anyone in the GOP? Can you find anyone other than Warren who's more divisive and smug?
Actually I do. Dems need someone willing to ruffle R feathers every so often. Him and John Fetterman fit that bill. American voters seem to be willing to listen to whoever yells their message the loudest.

R’s have no problem nominating name-calling, pompous a-holes. Dems need to be willing to get on that level to some degree.
 
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People like Bernie or AOC who advocate for radical changes, scare people at large who aren’t ready for all of that change to happen at once.
Bernie advocated for a $15 minimum wage in 2016 (and earlier). He didn't want it all at once. His original plan was to phase it in fully by around now.

Similarly, Bernie's Medicare Plan for all was intended to phase in over time. One of the easy-to-understand approaches was simply to lower the age for Medicare by 5 years at first, then by 10 years, and just increase the eligibility range over several years until everyone was covered.

I think of you as a reasonable poster. Why are you perpetuating these distortions?

To be fair, you aren't alone. Amy and Pete also pushed those memes. If you recall, at some point Kamala - who was on board with Bernie's M4A - shifted her stance a little to phase it in over 10 years.
 

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Nothing particularly radical about wanting to save us from climate catastrophe, wanting to provide a high level of affordable health care, wanting to secure democracy, wanting to protect women's rights, wanting to keep religion out of government, wanting public education in the 21st century to go a little further than it did in the 1950s....

The problem isn't that any of that is radical. The problem is that the Dems and libs have squandered decades when they could have been educating people on these issues.

The right and cowards in the Dem party have used dishonest framing and propaganda to great effect.

Agreed, Democrats for far too long have been terrible at messaging.

But I would also argue that the move to the left by the American public has also been slower than you seem to think. Part of the problem is that it’s too firmly engrained in our collective psyche that Socialism = Soviet Union = Bad. So Bernie painting himself as a socialist doesn’t help his message because Americans can’t get past that one word without giving thought to what it actually means.
 

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Actually I do. Dems need someone willing to ruffle R feathers every so often. Him and John Fetterman fit that bill. American voters seem to be willing to listen to whoever yells their message the loudest.

R’s have no problem nominating name-calling, pompous a-holes. Dems need to be willing to get on that level to some degree.
Ruffling feathers is one thing, but Gavin ruled CA like a tyrant during the pandemic, and thinks that's what freedom is.
 
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...and he still shows he has the sticky fingers/sniffing habit with young girls and women. Turn a bunch of people off. Not all of the endless videos of Hunter isn't helping for sure.
You have fallen for all the right wing propaganda. Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old. Partied with Epstein…and you’ll vote for him again. You’re a hypocrite.
 
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Nothing particularly radical about wanting to save us from climate catastrophe, wanting to provide a high level of affordable health care, wanting to secure democracy, wanting to protect women's rights, wanting to keep religion out of government, wanting public education in the 21st century to go a little further than it did in the 1950s....

All reasonable issues to study and address,.. Problem is the radical solutions devised by the left.