Nebby's Asst Coach
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Would you fire the assistant coach? If no, can you give one good reason why? If yes, we all know the reasons, so yes is all we need.
The unfortunate reality is most rape cases don't get prosecuted for the very reasons outlined in whatever article you are quoting from. While I have no doubt that it is certainly possible sexual assault occurred at their home, this is not a Nebraska issue. It's a nationwide epidemic.
Both yours and his are arbitrary statistics. Iowa had a string of mediocre seasons that happened to coincide with Nebraska's entrance into the B1G. Frankly, Nebraska should have a better head-to-head record against Iowa these last five years if the difference was so glaring.
Prior to the 21st Century, Nebraska football was far superior to Iowa. There's no debate. Since the 21st Century started, however, Iowa has accomplished way more than Nebraska in terms of Top 10 finishes, big bowl wins, etc. With that said, Nebraska has been more consistent in winning, and has not had the number of mediocre seasons that Iowa has had over the last decade and a half.
I agree with most of what you say, I was trying to make a point to the naive guy who claimed the reason Nebraska had a better record over the last 15 years was because of the big 12. I flat out admitted Nebraska has been average over time but he seems to confuse Iowa with Alabama!
The culture of look the other way has been a Nebraska standard since the days of Tom O.
Personal integrity is not a consideration for the coaches or the players. You don't go to Nebraska to grow as a person, you go to grow as a football player. If you send your son there you know what you're getting into.
I'm sure the asst. coach is well liked by the recruits and parties like he's a kid in college. By their lack of action Nebraska condones this behavior and is willing to accept this as the university standard.
Nothing I've seen has been mentioned about getting him into a treatment program, giving him sabbatical time to address his issues, or trying to help him in anyway. They seem not to be anymore interested in helping the coach out then they are about providing quality role models for the players.
In spite of the win at all cost approach they have only been able to achieve about the same success as the Hawkeyes. It's got be tough to be a Nebraska fan as no one is defending their lack of action as correct.
Personal integrity is not a consideration for the coaches or the players. You don't go to Nebraska to grow as a person, you go to grow as a football player. If you send your son there you know what you're getting into.
I'm sure the asst. coach is well liked by the recruits and parties like he's a kid in college. By their lack of action Nebraska condones this behavior and is willing to accept this as the university standard.
Nothing I've seen has been mentioned about getting him into a treatment program, giving him sabbatical time to address his issues, or trying to help him in anyway. They seem not to be anymore interested in helping the coach out then they are about providing quality role models for the players.
In spite of the win at all cost approach they have only been able to achieve about the same success as the Hawkeyes. It's got be tough to be a Nebraska fan as no one is defending their lack of action as correct.
If he gets probation then it's only 30 days and yes this case will not be settled till after the season is over.
Regardless of Iowa's mediocre record against ISU, as a whole the B12 North WAS easier competition for Nebby vs what the Big 10 schedule would have been in that timeframe, so yes being in the B12 North certainly helped to pad the huskers win/loss record. I would even go farther and say that being in the old Big 8 also helped pad the huskers long-term historical win/loss record.
Second point of clarification...Iowa fans are not "insinuating" that several Nebby players and/or their residence were involved in a rape, we're saying that they WERE involved. Therefore, regardless of the white wash by the Lincoln police, some type of internal football program punishment of AT LEAST a game suspension should have occurred.
1st. Correct me if im wrong but they only go back 7 years on DUIs. Or they use to.
So it thats the case depending on when he got his last one in 2009 this may be charged like a first offense. Im not positive but thats the way it use to be.
2nd. It is a very serious matter and should not be taken lightly. I do not think he should retain his position as WR coach. But at the same time depending on the circumstances I feel he should be given a chance. I dont think he should have anymore to do with the team this year.
If he has serious problems (which we dont know yet) I dont think you just kick someone to the curb. I think you try and help him get help. Give him the option to get the help and prove that they truly want to be where they are at.
I say this as a Recovering Alcoholic who had 2 aggravated DUIs withing 3 years. I was a good employee and my employer instead of just firing me they helped me to get help and supported me during the difficult times.
Its easy for someone to say how much of a piece of shit someone is when they are down or dealing with a problem. If you have never dealt with or seen someone dealing with an alcohol problem you do not know how hard life can be, regardless of how much money you make or how well off you are. If you know someone who is in recovery take a minute and ask them what it was truly like.
Know if he has no real issues and was just out joy riding and drinking I think you need to can him effective immediately. You cannot have someone like that representing the program.
So what is your excuse for Iowas record since Nebraska joined the big 10? Nebraska 43-23, Iowa 38-28.
DUI's stay on your criminal driving record forever. Do you think he was given a chance after his first DUI ? Do you think he was given another chance after his second DUI ? What the hell makes you think anything will change ? If a person has 3 DUI's they have a serious problem. That problem would be endangering the lives of innocent peolpe his DRUNK ass is on the road with. He blew a .15 !!!!!
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Yea wasnt sure its 12 years according to the Nebraska Website.
In Nebraska, prior DWI convictions stay on your record (and can be counted against you when you are being sentenced for another DUI/DWI offense) for 12 years.
Link http://www.duiattorneysomaha.com/dui-conviction-2/ For sentencing it's 12 years but the conviction stays forever.
Yea I was going for sentencing purposes. I am aware nothing is ever fully erased from a persons record after they have been convicted. My fault for not clarifying
Oh i see how this works change up your original post after I respond. LOL nice.
And I dont know what happened after his first or second DUI nobody does yet.
And BELIEVE me things can change because unlike you who must be perfect and never messed up more than once in your life, I have and I have messed up big time but guess what I realized after many alcohol related issues I had no other option but to stop.
But I dont expect you to understand that cause you obviously have never drove drunk so props to you bud.
I'm hoping we see something soon about a possible suspension/treatment program. Whether he stays with the team is a whole other issue.
If he's coaching in first game it will be pretty obvious they care more about football then his well being. Just read article on former USC coach Sarkisian and he said best thing for him was to take months away from football to get his life in order. Sounds like he is back working with PAC 12 network this year.
However I have a feeling with the good recruits he has gotten for next class they won't get rid of the coach. Be interesting to see how Reilly handles this.
I think this may actually be out of Riley's hands. Interviews I've seen with him, he has a genuine look of having no idea. Though I know coaches have the best poker faces. I honestly hope it is out of Riley's hands. Dude had enough to worry about right now. I'm hoping for a season suspension at least. Hoping they take this season to take care of him. I'm a Husker fan through and through, but drunk driving is BS. I can't stand that.
Interesting that you differentiate between having a problem and being out joy riding drunk. Wouldn't the being out joy riding drunk during camp, getting arrested be a pretty strong sign of a problem? As a recovering alcoholic you know that. There isn't such a thing as joy riding drunk without it being a problem. Employers can do both, kick them to the curb and give them the help they need, they aren't mutually exclusive things. The reality is that at Nebraska if he can still pull kids in he will stay and they will play the 'support card' if he can't pull kids in they will play the 'tough love' card. They have a consistently long track record of doing things that way.
I am not insinuating anything, not saying they raped the girl but it was obvious something went down and good ol' TA put his foot in his mouth in an interview and admitted to knowing about the encounter with the girl but thought it was "consensual" the girl said she was raped, police publicly said they believed her and know something suspicious went down. But like most rape cases there was no evidence to convict.......all I am saying is that this should have had more consequences than....well none at all
I totally agree, however; when a leader of young men continue to sweep this under the rug without any consequences it is in fact a major problem. I am also saying that Iowa is not innocent of this either. ie steve alford.....however I do not think this would be the case with KF, in fact didn't he dismiss several players a few years back for a similar situation as that in Nebby.....while Nebby players suit up and play that very next saturday.
Iowa Fan - The proverb: pride comes before the fall comes to mind as I read the ridiculous posts on this thread. A fall from your high horse or soap box could hurt a lot more then some temporary gratification you get from posting on this subject. The only thing you Iowa gals never seem to do is take the high road. I'd rather read more posts addressing the "absurdly easy" schedule the hawks have again this year.
Honestly, I'm all for helping this guy get treatment and keeping him employed in some fashion. Yes, it's his 3rd offense, but unless something egregious comes out about this or the prior offenses, cutting him loose to fend for himself won't help.
That said, there should be no way he coaches or is around the team/recruits this season. And really, allowing an alcoholic to work with college kids is borderline appropriate, but there is no way in heck he should be allowed to work with high school kids. That would be completely irresponsible and could be criminal on Nebraska's part if something were to happen.
That said, there should be no way he coaches or is around the team/recruits this season. And really, allowing an alcoholic to work with college kids is borderline appropriate, but there is no way in heck he should be allowed to work with high school kids. That would be completely irresponsible and could be criminal on Nebraska's part if something were to happen.
I love the easy schedule debate from Nebby fans....because fact is we are in the same division and played a lot of common opponents. For instance we beat Illinois, Wisconsin, NW, and Purdue while Nebby lost to Illinois, Wisconsin, NW and LOST TO PURDUE AT HOME!!!! LOL
Nebraska announced that Williams will be suspended through Aug 31st without pay. Will not coach in first 4 games. He is now in counseling.
Dislike Nebraska very much, but get your facts straight. They lost to Purdue @Purdue last year not at home.
The very least you could do is have your argument straight while going ALL CAPS on everyone. Even with a back up QB, the Purdue loss was bad and not enjoyable for any Neb fan, however the game was played ON PURDUE'S HOME FIELD. A fun fact for you to reflect on:
Since 2011 against tOSU, MichSt and Michigan:
Nebraska wins 6 out of 10
Iowa wins 3 out of 8
I guess at least it's something. To my original point though, for those 4 weeks all he's going to do is recruit and work around high school kids. To me that's the one thing you don't want an alcoholic doing, but oh well.
15 years. One team has 5 top ten national finishes and the other has zero.15 years
Nebraska 127-69
Iowa 123-68...... This is being owned
So let it be written let's see if Iowa can get it done.
One also played in the (lol) b12
(Wisconsin just scored again)
His counseling program must be fantastic if they expect to fix the problem in 30 days.
This seems to be a "for the media" punishment, but I expected nothing from Nebraska and that's essentially what they gave him. He will miss Oregon and Northwestern.
I hope he learns his lesson, but three violations over a period several years sounds like more than a few trips to a counselor will be required to fix the problem long term. My best guess is there is a state requirement for counseling after a repeat DUI offense for reinstatement of a DL.
We all hope he doesn't put more lives in danger in the future. If he does I hope the Nebraska program can live with consequenses. In the meantime we can expect Nebraska fans to try to move the discussion to wins and losses as in their mind this is over and it's back to business as usual.
This seems to be a "for the media" punishment, but I expected nothing from Nebraska and that's essentially what they gave him. He will miss Oregon and Northwestern.
I hope he learns his lesson, but three violations over a period several years sounds like more than a few trips to a counselor will be required to fix the problem long term. My best guess is there is a state requirement for counseling after a repeat DUI offense for reinstatement of a DL.
We all hope he doesn't put more lives in danger in the future. If he does I hope the Nebraska program can live with consequenses. In the meantime we can expect Nebraska fans to try to move the discussion to wins and losses as in their mind this is over and it's back to business as usual.
The air certainly is better near the top. Of course, most of you have no idea what it is like in your life time.
One program has a pretty solid and lengthy history of disciplining people involved in their program. The other program has a rather lengthy history of little to no discipline in their program. High horse, pride before the fall I feel pretty confident the pattern will continue. For Iowa the fall may have occurred in the Everson, Douglass timeframe. We saw that after initial mis steps action was taken.
As far as the 'punishment' for the coach, perhaps our resident recovering alcoholic can weigh in on the merits of the decision and the impact on the coaches problem.
As far as the 'punishment' for the coach, perhaps our resident recovering alcoholic can weigh in on the merits of the decision and the impact on the coaches problem.
No mention yet of Johnny Rogers? He holds up a convenience store and convicted of using a gun in a robbery and wins a Heisman. Perhaps is was a national championship year - I don't know and DGAF.
Now he is trying to get his conviction removed from his record so he can get a liquor license.
Now he is trying to get his conviction removed from his record so he can get a liquor license.
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