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O/T... ISU Recruits This Weekend...

Again, your brilliance is off the charts! Does the link below from Jerry Meyer himself say three star or four? Hmm... I don't know why it is so hard for you to admit Iowa State landed two great recruits. If you guys land Cook (without an "e") I will be more than happy to admit he is a good looking player and great recruit. He' be the first heralded recruit for Fran since Woodbury/Gessell. Hope you guys get him!

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Iowa-State-lands-four-star-juco-guard-39044958

The word "brilliance" coming from you is causing another round of laughter. Thank you! Jerry Meyer himself is so proud of 247's ranking that by the time it gets posted in team recruiting rankings it is but one of many sources used to determine the composite! Do you not understand that?

Is there some reason why you would disregard what 247 thinks of their own rankings? That those rankings aren't worth trusting beyond just being part of a bigger picture? That those rankings alone don't tell the whole story? That those rankings aren't worth compiling a list of team rankings without mixing them in with what other sources say about a kid? Why is it you would completely ignore facts and keep pretending that something Jerry Meyer said is the "end all discussion" about how good a kid happens to be? Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

Because you, sir, would deny all facts that stand against your twisted reasoning if it meant one hairs breath tiny detail that, crazy or not, supported your need. You sir, are the very living example of this shopkeeper!



Donovan is no Four Star!!!! You can dig through all the recruiting guru comments you can find, but the fact is.....

Donovan is a DEAD PARROT. He is a three star! He barely if at all ranks ahead of Jordan Bohannon and if I wanted to act as silly as you I could find MORE reason point out that Bohannon quite factually is ranked higher! But then, there we'd go digging through rankings.

Look, Miss. Never mind that you've made claims that Iowa State is way ahead of Iowa in recruiting. Or that I might paint myself embarrassed if Cook doesn't commit. (I've got the Black and Gold paint waiting for you if you want to own up to that.) Or that who knows maybe McCaffery might leave. I've seen all your wild boasts and odd little hopes. It's over!

Your parrot is dead!
It's pushing up daisies!
It's gone to meet it's maker!

And you, and your constant insistence that Donovan is a four star, are nothing but ripples of insanity in an ocean of practical THREE STAR evaluations!!!
 
I don't really get the comparison between ISU and Iowa recruiting lately. ISU did struggle in 2015 with Fred leaving, but Fran also had another pathetic class.

As of 2016 (According to 247) ISU has the 25th best class in the nation (2nd in the Big 12) with an average rating of .9021. Iowa is 37th (8th in the B1G) with an average of .8566. Pretty clear who has a better class so far.

Iowa can keep signing all these Iowa kids, but as history has proven, unless it's a Barnes/Paige/McDermott type of player these kids aren't good enough to get Iowa to a level where they are competing for conference championships.


How would third place in one of the best, if not the very best, conference in America do for you? When was the last time ole isu actually won a legitimate conference title?
 
Also, if your main man J-Bo hasn't been evaluated yet how did he end up with a two star rating in the first place? Are they just handing out two stars like candy now? Someone clearly evaluated him. Fact of the matter is he is a 5'10" 150 pound spot up shooter who had zero other high major offers. Just the facts. Hopefully he blossoms into a nice player for you but yes...he was a fall back option.

You don't even know how Rivals evaluations work!!! You are an idiot!
 
Ha ha how in the world is it "too early" to know anything about the ISU team? Most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Other than a couple of newcomers I know exactly what to expect from them. Thanks for the insight though.


Show your stuff, Lunardi. Tell me/us "exactly" how isu will do this upcoming season. Give win/loss totals as well as how well this 'top ten.... preseason, of course' juggernaut will do in the tournament.

Otherwise, you are all hat and absolutely no cattle which is the rule for isu fans on this site.
 
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Donovan is a 91 on 247, Bohannon is a 85 or 83 depending what you look at. Rivals has Jackson as a 3 star and could bump to a 4, Bohannon hasn't been evaluated yet apparently. ESPN doesn't rank JUCOs. Fran wanted Jackson instead of Bohannon, you could argue Cook is better than Malou but you're going to look stupid if you try to argue who's better between Bohannon and Jackson, especially since your own coach took preference with Jackson. Iowa will recruit some positions better than ISU and vice versa, obviously ISU did better at landing a PG for 2016
 
How would third place in one of the best, if not the very best, conference in America do for you? When was the last time ole isu actually won a legitimate conference title?

ISU won back to back regular season titles in 2000-01. Iowa? 1979! Thanks for bringing that to light!
 
Donovan is a 91 on 247, Bohannon is a 85 or 83 depending what you look at. Rivals has Jackson as a 3 star and could bump to a 4, Bohannon hasn't been evaluated yet apparently. ESPN doesn't rank JUCOs. Fran wanted Jackson instead of Bohannon, you could argue Cook is better than Malou but you're going to look stupid if you try to argue who's better between Bohannon and Jackson, especially since your own coach took preference with Jackson. Iowa will recruit some positions better than ISU and vice versa, obviously ISU did better at landing a PG for 2016

Let's keep this simple. Is ISU "Way Ahead" of Iowa in recruiting this year? Instead of making up arguments.......answer that one, because that is where this all began.
 
ISU won back to back regular season titles in 2000-01. Iowa? 1979! Thanks for bringing that to light!

Ready for the paint job yet? I've got the paint!!! A nice Black and Gold...and how about a Tiger Hawk right on your forehead?
 
ISU won back to back regular season titles in 2000-01. Iowa? 1979! Thanks for bringing that to light!

What, that Iowa has traditionally played in a much superior basketball conference? I took that as a given.

No doubt, isu has 'final four' appearances that you can point to also.

Now, to the point... still waiting to read from YOU exactly how isu will do in 2015-16. You better hope with everything you have got that it does not follow suit because thus far, isu is not doing very well at all.
 
Let's keep this simple. Is ISU "Way Ahead" of Iowa in recruiting this year? Instead of making up arguments.......answer that one, because that is where this all began.

Did I say way ahead? I honestly don't remember but I feel like I'm being pretty realistic and civil here. ISU is obviously ahead of Iowa right now, Cook would change that. ISU will end up ahead of Iowa in my opinion because they have 3 scholarships left to give.
 
Let's keep this simple. Is ISU "Way Ahead" of Iowa in recruiting this year? Instead of making up arguments.......answer that one, because that is where this all began.

Where did I ever say "this year"? I said ISU's recruiting has been far superior. ISU has made four tournaments in a row. Back-to-back three seeds and a top ten team returning. Boy oh boy not hard to recognize who has been recruiting better!
 
Did I say way ahead? I honestly don't remember but I feel like I'm being pretty realistic and civil here. ISU is obviously ahead of Iowa right now, Cook would change that. ISU will end up ahead of Iowa in my opinion because they have 3 scholarships left to give.

The good news is it wasn't you but your buddy who made the claim that ISU is "Way Ahead" of Iowa in this years recruiting. Now, as to your comment, you get no argument from me. Cook will put Iowa and Iowa State near dead on, possibly with Iowa enjoying a slight edge. And yes, depending on your last three scholarships you could end up higher just by strength of numbers.

You see, a little common sense goes a long way, doesn't it.
 
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Where did I ever say "this year"? I said ISU's recruiting has been far superior. ISU has made four tournaments in a row. Back-to-back three seeds and a top ten team returning. Boy oh boy not hard to recognize who has been recruiting better!


Did I miss where that recruiting prowess was against UAB? Let me know when they start handing out trophies for the best recruiting by a team.

How is isu doing on the football recruiting front? Seems you would know exactly how they are doing!
 
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Where did I ever say "this year"? I said ISU's recruiting has been far superior. ISU has made four tournaments in a row. Back-to-back three seeds and a top ten team returning. Boy oh boy not hard to recognize who has been recruiting better!

Holy $%^&!!! Now you were talking about PAST RECRUITING!!!
 
Show your stuff, Lunardi. Tell me/us "exactly" how isu will do this upcoming season. Give win/loss totals as well as how well this 'top ten.... preseason, of course' juggernaut will do in the tournament.

Otherwise, you are all hat and absolutely no cattle which is the rule for isu fans on this site.


Why the delay in providing your expertise here, 555? YOU claimed to know EXACTLY how isu will do.
 
The good news is it wasn't you but your buddy who made the claim that ISU is "Way Ahead" of Iowa in this years recruiting. Now, as to your comment, you get no argument from me. Cook will put Iowa and Iowa State near dead on, possibly with Iowa enjoying a slight edge. And yes, depending on your last three scholarships you could end up higher just by strength of numbers.

You see, a little common sense goes a long way, doesn't it.

I think you're mistaking me for someone else if you don't think I've been using common sense here.
 
I'm really looking forward to watching our recruits Gesell, Woody and the bunch! Haven't we go a nice bunch of recruits!
Why the delay in providing your expertise here, 555? YOU claimed to know EXACTLY how isu will do.

He can't answer that. He still considers guy that played for three years RECRUITS!!!
 
I think you're mistaking me for someone else if you don't think I've been using common sense here.

Stop...just stop and think for a second. I just $%%^ing agreed with you, and then said a little common sense goes a long way.

Think about that, I won't even make fun of you for being confused.
 
I'm really looking forward to watching our recruits Gesell, Woody and the bunch! Haven't we go a nice bunch of recruits!


He can't answer that. He still considers guy that played for three years RECRUITS!!!


Hey, I'll be the very first to admit that I do not follow recruiting even a fraction of what some apparently do. But, looking at the history from isu's most recent former coach, didn't several of the 'recruits' play multiple years elsewhere and were in their early to mid twenties when they finally arrived in Ames?
 
Why the delay in providing your expertise here, 555? YOU claimed to know EXACTLY how isu will do.

What are you looking for here? ISU has all of their major contributors back with one more year of experience. I expect a year much like the previous two. Around top ten territory all year. Top 3 team in the conference. Around a top 3 seed in ncaa tournament. Hopefully they make a better run this year clearly. I will say those are my expectations. I think they are capable of winning the Big 12 this year. Hopefully they make a deeper run like I said.

Sorry for pointing out that it is a bit ridiculous to say no one knows what to expect from ISU. I expect Niang, Morris, McKay, Long, Thomas to return and do what they have throughout their entire careers. Burton and Cooke will be two impressive newcomers. Doesn't take Lunardi to realize ISU was a top 10-15 team a year ago and returns virtually everyone! They will be very good.
 
Donovan is a 91 on 247, Bohannon is a 85 or 83 depending what you look at. Rivals has Jackson as a 3 star and could bump to a 4, Bohannon hasn't been evaluated yet apparently. ESPN doesn't rank JUCOs. Fran wanted Jackson instead of Bohannon, you could argue Cook is better than Malou but you're going to look stupid if you try to argue who's better between Bohannon and Jackson, especially since your own coach took preference with Jackson. Iowa will recruit some positions better than ISU and vice versa, obviously ISU did better at landing a PG for 2016

I would LOVE to see where you got this insider info that Fran wanted Jackson over Bohannon. Are you pulling this straight out of your a**? Maybe this is true and I would love for you to prove me wrong, but in any case there has never been any news on Jackson on this site about Fran wanting him over Bohannon. None of our fans cared the least bit that he committed to you guys. I see he lists an Iowa offer but I really want to know where you got the "Fran had preference of Jackson" thing from. Thanks.
 
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I'm really looking forward to watching our recruits Gesell, Woody and the bunch! Haven't we go a nice bunch of recruits!


He can't answer that. He still considers guy that played for three years RECRUITS!!!

You really have trouble with past tense. First choose/chose and then recruiting (past) and recruits (now). I said ISU has enjoyed far superior recruiting and it wasn't even close. Learn how to read there buddy! Man you get fired up easily.
 
I would LOVE to see where you got this insider info that Fran wanted Jackson over Bohannon. Are you pulling this straight out of your a**? Maybe this is true and I would love for you to prove me wrong, but in any case there has never been any news on Jackson on this site about Fran wanting him over Bohannon. None of our fans cared the least bit that he committed to you guys. I see he lists an Iowa offer but I really want to know where you got the "Fran had preference of Jackson" thing from. Thanks.

Fran offered Jackson before Bohannon. If Jackson commits a month after Fran offers Bohannon isn't a Hawk. Fran wanted Simpson, Moore, Carr, etc over Bohannon too
 
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Hey, I'll be the very first to admit that I do not follow recruiting even a fraction of what some apparently do. But, looking at the history from isu's most recent former coach, didn't several of the 'recruits' play multiple years elsewhere and were in their early to mid twenties when they finally arrived in Ames?

Very true. And the argument could be made IF it was even germane to the issue, that Donovan Jackson has a year under his belt as a Juco, had no good offers out of high school and in fact was considered less of a recruit than Bohannon is now. Taking that year of development into the equation, there would be to me some doubt as to which is actually the better get.

But since the whole point with this 555 Character has been that Iowa State is "Way Ahead" of Iowa in recruiting...once doesn't even need to argue the merits of a Bohannon over a Donovan. Cumulatively, there is no logical way that 555 is close to correct.

Now he seeks to argue that going back in time, Iowa State recruits better than Iowa. He can't even get the past and present straight!
 
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What are you looking for here? ISU has all of their major contributors back with one more year of experience. I expect a year much like the previous two. Around top ten territory all year. Top 3 team in the conference. Around a top 3 seed in ncaa tournament. Hopefully they make a better run this year clearly. I will say those are my expectations. I think they are capable of winning the Big 12 this year. Hopefully they make a deeper run like I said.

Sorry for pointing out that it is a bit ridiculous to say no one knows what to expect from ISU. I expect Niang, Morris, McKay, Long, Thomas to return and do what they have throughout their entire careers. Burton and Cooke will be two impressive newcomers. Doesn't take Lunardi to realize ISU was a top 10-15 team a year ago and returns virtually everyone! They will be very good.


Maybe you will remember this and apply the same before going off on how YOU know 'exactly' how isu will do.
 
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You really have trouble with past tense. First choose/chose and then recruiting (past) and recruits (now). I said ISU has enjoyed far superior recruiting and it wasn't even close. Learn how to read there buddy! Man you get fired up easily.

Another trait you just have to love about the persistent isu posters on HR... it is always the reader's fault/limitation if anything is not understandable (just ask poster extraordinaire, LC!).
 
Fran offered Jackson before Bohannon. If Jackson commits a month after Fran offers Bohannon isn't a Hawk. Fran wanted Simpson, Moore, Carr, etc over Bohannon too

If you go back and look at the time frame, far less than a month passed between the Jackson offer and Bohannon offer. They came so close together that it is hard to make a point with certainty except that Fran was at an event, saw Jackson, and offered. Meanwhile he'd been recruiting Bohannon longer and knew there was no hurry to offer.

I wouldn't argue your point that Iowa offered and would have taken Jackson. But I wouldn't put too much stock in what was a matter of days between the offers. And certainly, those who would claim Bohannon is a fallback? Really...:)...in August? That one, a fall back offered in August, I will never accept.
 
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Fran offered Jackson before Bohannon. If Jackson commits a month after Fran offers Bohannon isn't a Hawk. Fran wanted Simpson, Moore, Carr, etc over Bohannon too

He was offered before Bohannon so that means he wanted him more. I guess I see your rationale but Iowa has offered plenty of guys before someone else that they actually had as a preferred target and put the full court press on. I only say this w/ Jackson because stuff about Simpson, Moore, and to a lesser extent Carr, were plastered all over our rivals page about updates and their standing with Iowa. I never saw one thing on Donovan Jackson. This is my guess, but I bet his offer was a "wait and see" type of thing and there was never a concrete offer on the table. Not knocking your commit its just usually someone Fran is truly after we as fans have a pretty good idea and Tom Kakert keeps us pretty informed. I'm not on here every day, but enough to know that I never saw anything Jackson related besides the "offer" he had from Iowa listed on his rivals page.
 
Jackson's offer was a wait and see offer? It was reported by multiple sources Iowa offered
 
Jackson's offer was a wait and see offer? It was reported by multiple sources Iowa offered

Nice to have some good discussion again. Jackson was offered, I believe it was 8-9 or 8-11 that Iowa offered. Two days after all his offers from other schools including Iowa State. I'm not going to look it up again, but it wasn't but a few days later, maybe a week, that Bohannon was offered.

Again, without getting into the whole Juco vs. High school and who was rated what and when, if Iowa State fans want to say they got a guy Iowa wanted, that's alright with me. I just don't buy the "fallback" thing with Bohannon. And in fact Iowa State's list of offers before getting Jackson? If I wanted to be a prick about it I could call Jackson a fallback recruit at Iowa State.

I'm not. No coach worth his salt, none, offers guys in August if they can't use them.
 
Nice to have some good discussion again. Jackson was offered, I believe it was 8-9 or 8-11 that Iowa offered. Two days after all his offers from other schools including Iowa State. I'm not going to look it up again, but it wasn't but a few days later, maybe a week, that Bohannon was offered.

Again, without getting into the whole Juco vs. High school and who was rated what and when, if Iowa State fans want to say they got a guy Iowa wanted, that's alright with me. I just don't buy the "fallback" thing with Bohannon. And in fact Iowa State's list of offers before getting Jackson? If I wanted to be a prick about it I could call Jackson a fallback recruit at Iowa State.

I'm not. No coach worth his salt, none, offers guys in August if they can't use them.

ISU wanted a JUCO PG and a HS PG all along, Jackson and Darrion Strong were the first two JUCO guys ISU offered under Prohm. Iowa offered Jackson 8/11 I believe, Bohannon didn't get offered until 8/28

If ISU takes a HS PG now I would consider him a fallback recruit
 
ISU wanted a JUCO PG and a HS PG all along, Jackson and Darrion Strong were the first two JUCO guys ISU offered under Prohm. Iowa offered Jackson 8/11 I believe, Bohannon didn't get offered until 8/28

If ISU takes a HS PG now I would consider him a fallback recruit

Well, we can have a difference of opinion on that. I would point out that some coaches are even saving scholarships for the Spring due to all the transfers. I wouldn't even say that is a "fallback"...but a deliberate strategy. Plan "A" if you will.

It is apparent we differ mostly on how many offers it takes before a kid is considered a fallback, or plan "B". I don't count the offers at all, but more the timing of it. Trey Dickerson was likely, at a guess, only the third or fourth point guard Iowa pursued that year. We'd gone all in on Tyler Ulis. Dickerson, to me, definite fallback. Bohannon by my count was the seventh offer at point guard...but no fallback. We just had that many players interested enough to pursue and weren't going to let a good one get away.

(And thanks for looking up the timing of the offers. So it wasn't a month, nor a week, but something in between.)
 
Fran offered Jackson before Bohannon. If Jackson commits a month after Fran offers Bohannon isn't a Hawk. Fran wanted Simpson, Moore, Carr, etc over Bohannon too

The order of offers is not related....a recruit offered 6 months prior to someone else doesn't not mean the 2nd offer is any less or more in order of preference....I've told you this before....I know for a fact the Iowa staff moves recruits (with offers) up & down all the time...and in some cases moves recruits with offers off the their board completely.
YOU ...
don't know who they are....its nothing more than a slam to say Jordan Bohannon was a fall back recruit.

You don't know that Fran wanted Simpson, Moore, Carr over Bohannon...YOU DONT KNOW THAT...so stop saying it.

I don't really care about ISU's recruiting...I don't care how many 4 stars you think you guys have. I do know this...your new coach has not coached one game with his recruits...maybe it would be wise to shut up until then.
You just never know whats around the corner with a newbe ...:rolleyes:

By the way its C O O K.
 
UAB was terrified to play isu with all their four stars.

well yes but there was some team chemistry issues .... you see you can claim all the 4 stars you want...they still have to play on the floor together & the coach needs to coach em....I don't think at halftime Fred was all that keen on doing that.

Maybe he was able to duck fast enough like Bush was when the shoe came his way in Iraq.
;)
 
well yes but there was some team chemistry issues .... you see you can claim all the 4 stars you want...they still have to play on the floor together & the coach needs to coach em....I don't think at halftime Fred was all that keen on doing that.

Maybe he was able to duck fast enough like Bush was when the shoe came his way in Iraq.
;)

Post of the century.
 
Why the delay in providing your expertise here, 555? YOU claimed to know EXACTLY how isu will do.

So why don't you give your thoughts on Iowa now? What do you expect for this year and next? I shared my thoughts on ISU. I expect a pretty great year. 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. If Morris is back I don't expect a ton of drop off the following year. 5 to 6 seed territory.
 
So why don't you give your thoughts on Iowa now? What do you expect for this year and next? I shared my thoughts on ISU. I expect a pretty great year. 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. If Morris is back I don't expect a ton of drop off the following year. 5 to 6 seed territory.

UAB showed the world just how great isu was last year.
 
Perhaps you, but I do not think you should assume others feel the same way.

There were no qualifiers when fans/pundits were extolling how good isu was likely to be in 2014-15. Tourney champs? How many times have we read/heard how worthless tournament championships are whenever Iowa has won the same? Remind me of how well KU fared when it truly counted last March.

The fact remains, it is way too early to know anything about how this team or that team might do in the upcoming season. But, because, for the majority of the isu fan base, football is now over for 2015, it is on to telling the world how good the clones will be 190+ days from now.... on paper!

Prior seasons are never a predictor. Who knows? Both Iowa and ISU have holdover and incoming talent: in ISU's case, how well they conform to their new coach's approach, and in both team's cases, how well they meld the old and new talent determine development.

IMO, Tourney Championship banners hanging from the rafters and postings in the record books are worthy accomplishments.

Sounds like HR needs to set up a separate forum for the clown bashers. We wouldn't have to listen to the juvenile drivel.
 
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