O/T... ISU Recruits This Weekend...

[5Fan5]

Prior seasons are never a predictor.
That's strange. I could swear that I have seen/read way too early preseason men's basketball polls and prognostications that clearly indicate a certain team from Ames to already be 'top ten' in the country, new coach and all. Do you feel just as strongly that these polls and predictors are foolish due to your statement here?


Who knows? Both Iowa and ISU have holdover and incoming talent: in ISU's case, how well they conform to their new coach's approach, and in both team's cases, how well they meld the old and new talent determine development.

IMO, Tourney Championship banners hanging from the rafters and postings in the record books are worthy accomplishments.
The very next time it is demeaned by any isu fan on here toward previous accomplishments of Iowa, we know who will be on the spot to point this out to each of them, won't we?

Sounds like HR needs to set up a separate forum for the clown bashers. We wouldn't have to listen to the juvenile drivel.

There is plenty of drivel (juvenile or otherwise) to go around and much of it comes from obsessed isu fans that just have to come to Iowa message boards to let Hawk fans know how much better isu is than Iowa. In this particular instance, the isu fan made statements that he/she knows he/she cannot substantiate. I merely got tired of his/her drivel and pointed out the obvious error of his/her way.

(If you do not care for it, then do not read it.)

 

[89and91]

There is plenty of drivel (juvenile or otherwise) to go around and much of it comes from obsessed isu fans that just have to come to Iowa message boards to let Hawk fans know how much better isu is than Iowa. In this particular instance, the isu fan made statements that he/she knows he/she cannot substantiate. I merely got tired of his/her drivel and pointed out the obvious error of his/her way.

(If you do not care for it, then do not read it.)

Yes it is unfair to question anything clone fans post. In fact if one doesn't buy hook line and sinker the propaganda put out by Chirssy Williams, Paul Clark, Randy Peterson and Pollard then you are not playing fair. I4 and Clone fan gonna cry will tell you just ask them and they will post the links and the only links that are up for discussion.

Then they get pissy when they are shown to the fools they are. It truly is entertaining to watch clone fans post and then watch in amazement as to why they are laughed at.

 

[murph0]

Unfortunately, I haven't been reading the boards much lately so I'm a bit behind. Is it fair to assume 89and91 is just the latest userID for JWR? Certainly sounds like him, unless he has taken on disciples..?
I liked recruiting better when there were just Rivals and Scout (and Hoopscoop or whatever they were calling themselves, to a lesser extent), all these other rankings and such get confusing.. someone ranks a guy 3, another ranks him a 4, yet a third place ranks him a 2. We need some ranking standardization!!

 

[Lone Clone]

Unfortunately, I haven't been reading the boards much lately so I'm a bit behind. Is it fair to assume 89and91 is just the latest userID for JWR? Certainly sounds like him, unless he has taken on disciples..?
I liked recruiting better when there were just Rivals and Scout (and Hoopscoop or whatever they were calling themselves, to a lesser extent), all these other rankings and such get confusing.. someone ranks a guy 3, another ranks him a 4, yet a third place ranks him a 2. We need some ranking standardization!!

That's him. With a stop in between at 100yearssomethingorother.

 

[89and91]

That's him. With a stop in between at 100yearssomethingorother.

Hey LC have you figured out yet which of Korie Lucious or Chris Allen were not tossed from the team at MSU before enrolling at isu as you claimed?

Your "journalistic" skills could still be put to work.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

UAB was terrified to play isu with all their four stars.

Get medication for your seizures! (

 

[89and91]

Get medication for your seizures! (

UAB is sure that isu is as awesome as clone fans say they are.

 

[Iowan555]

Very true. And the argument could be made IF it was even germane to the issue, that Donovan Jackson has a year under his belt as a Juco, had no good offers out of high school and in fact was considered less of a recruit than Bohannon is now. Taking that year of development into the equation, there would be to me some doubt as to which is actually the better get.

But since the whole point with this 555 Character has been that Iowa State is "Way Ahead" of Iowa in recruiting...once doesn't even need to argue the merits of a Bohannon over a Donovan. Cumulatively, there is no logical way that 555 is close to correct.

Now he seeks to argue that going back in time, Iowa State recruits better than Iowa. He can't even get the past and present straight!

Hahaha you are literally brain dead. I suppose the argument could also be made that Adam Woodbury is the better get than Jameel McKay as well (hilarious). Woodbury was a top 50 recruit out of HS and McKay went the Juco route with no major offers out of HS.

99.9% of rationale human beings understand that some players develop better than others once they get to the next level. Woodbury for all intensive purposes has been a bust after being a top 50 recruit and Jameel McKay becomes defensive POY in half a season playing D 1. Outside of Hawk/Clone fans who do you think the rest of the country considers the better player? I'll give it to Woodbury he is an incredible eye poker though - classy!

You're right though J-Bo is likely the better get because of that sole major offer (Iowa). He was Iowa's guy they wanted all along though.

 

[89and91]

Hahaha you are literally brain dead. I suppose the argument could also be made that Adam Woodbury is the better get than Jameel McKay as well (hilarious). Woodbury was a top 50 recruit out of HS and McKay went the Juco route with no major offers out of HS.

99.9% of rationale human beings understand that some players develop better than others once they get to the next level. Woodbury for all intensive purposes has been a bust after being a top 50 recruit and Jameel McKay becomes defensive POY in half a season playing D 1.

You're right though J-Bo is likely the better because of that sole major offer (Iowa). He was Iowa's guy they wanted all along though.

UAB was scared to death of McKay. So much so they thought about forfeiting at the half. Too bad for the clones they didn't.

The buthurt from clone fans runs deep.

We want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[Lone Clone]

Hahaha you are literally brain dead. I suppose the argument could also be made that Adam Woodbury is the better get than Jameel McKay as well (hilarious). Woodbury was a top 50 recruit out of HS and McKay went the Juco route with no major offers out of HS.

99.9% of rationale human beings understand that some players develop better than others once they get to the next level. Woodbury for all intensive purposes has been a bust after being a top 50 recruit and Jameel McKay becomes defensive POY in half a season playing D 1. Outside of Hawk/Clone fans who do you think the rest of the country considers the better player? I'll give it to Woodbury he is an incredible eye poker though - classy!

You're right though J-Bo is likely the better get because of that sole major offer (Iowa). He was Iowa's guy they wanted all along though.

Classic WOB must be noted.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Hahaha you are literally brain dead. I suppose the argument could also be made that Adam Woodbury is the better get than Jameel McKay as well (hilarious). Woodbury was a top 50 recruit out of HS and McKay went the Juco route with no major offers out of HS.

99.9% of rationale human beings understand that some players develop better than others once they get to the next level. Woodbury for all intensive purposes has been a bust after being a top 50 recruit and Jameel McKay becomes defensive POY in half a season playing D 1. Outside of Hawk/Clone fans who do you think the rest of the country considers the better player? I'll give it to Woodbury he is an incredible eye poker though - classy!

You're right though J-Bo is likely the better get because of that sole major offer (Iowa). He was Iowa's guy they wanted all along though.

Classic WOB must be noted.

Waste Of Brain is more like it......I'd kick his ass back to Clownville if it was up 2 me.

 

[89and91]

More buthurt from clone fans please.

 

[5Fan5]

Hahaha you are literally brain dead. I suppose the argument could also be made that Adam Woodbury is the better get than Jameel McKay as well (hilarious). Woodbury was a top 50 recruit out of HS and McKay went the Juco route with no major offers out of HS.

Woodbury helped his team to the second round of the most recent NCAA tourney for men's basketball. How did isu do in that tourney?

Now, that is hilarious.

 

[Iowan555]

If you can't beat em poke them in the

Woodbury helped his team to the second round of the most recent NCAA tourney for men's basketball. How did isu do in that tourney?

Now, that is hilarious.

Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

 

[hawk-i bob]

If you can't beat em poke them in the


Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

well goody for U & ISU....if your new boy falls flat on his face...you will be just like your cousins...run & hide. You are on a Hawkeye rivals site...running your mouth. What a man your are...

 

[89and91]

If you can't beat em poke them in the


Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

UAB was so impressed with the Texas Ten POY that they decided to beat you anyway.

More clone fan buthurt please.

 

[5Fan5]

If you can't beat em poke them in the


Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

So you agree that the team with Adam Woodbury performed better in the NCAA Tourney (when it truly mattered) than the team with McCay. Good for you.

Now, if you want to talk historically, then once again, I'll ask you about all of the Final Fours that isu has participated in at the NCAAs. There is no comparison - even for 'basketball school' isu.

For someone that claimed to know 'exactly' all there could ever be to know about isu, you certainly are having difficulty expressing yourself here. If "pretty" season ... wasn't bad enough, you remove all doubt about how ignorant you are with the "cushion the below."

At least 2015 football is a thing of the past for most isu fans on HR like yourself. Only another six weeks or so until basketball games begin. Maybe by then you will actually have a clue about what to expect.

 

[hawk-i bob]

If you can't beat em poke them in the


Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

Here is the deal...and I know you are here just to stir things up...everything you list was under Hoiberg..I hate to burst your braggish bubble...but Hoiberg is gone. Instead of bragging about a 5 year history...I'd be more concerned about how well Prohm will do in the future.

Fran is way ahead of ISU when it comes to in state Iowa recruits ...in fact UNI is ahead of ISU when it comes to Iowa. Hoiberg basically ignored in state recruiting..
Fran has established both Chicago & St Louis for recruiting...I'd be a little concern that your new guy lost out on Cook....lost out on Wieskamp...

Hoiberg left Prohm a pretty good starting lineup...you don't know how things will pan out after next year...

 

[hawk-i bob]

I'd also be concerned when two of your best players are hanging around ours in IC..
I'd also be concerned that there are rumors coming from ISU fan(s) that some of your new players are not all that thrilled with Prohm (maybe he actually has some rules opposed to Fred letting them do whatever they want).
I'd be concerned that Morris is a 4 year player instead of 3.

this is going to get real interesting...

 

[DanL53]

Good points Bob. I might also be worth it for State fans to check out their own recruiting results which have been pretty bad since the 2013 class. Oh, the numbers look nice, but when one removes Noskowiak and Tsalmpouris and Custer? Guys that never arrived or are already gone? Those numbers start to look pretty bleak.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

Prior seasons are never a predictor.

Yes they are. In fact ken pomeroy builds it in to his predictor.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

Both Iowa State and Iowa fans have a lot to look forward to, which is a lot of fun.

 

[Ronman]

If you can't beat em poke them in the


Yeah that one really really did sting. I'm over it though much like you are likely over the Northwestern State game, right? Four tournament appearances in a row and four tournament wins (including a sweet 16) with wins over the likes of UCONN, Notre Dame and North Carolina helped to cushion the below. A big 12 POY helped. Three guys with All American honors in the last two seasons wasnt awful. A consensus top ten team in the country this year with a pretty season all american also helps.

The Hawks know all about that though right?

Gee, if I remember correctly, we recently beat North Carolina of their own court. And we seem to own Ohio St. recently. You guys played them awhile back too, right? How did that go?

 

[89and91]

Gee, if I remember correctly, we recently beat North Carolina of their own court. And we seem to own Ohio St. recently. You guys played them awhile back too, right? How did that go?

Don't ya love little bro clone fans? They post what they do and then wonder in amazement as to why they and isu are consistently laughed at. Gee Beave I don't get it either.

 

[CyCity]

I'd also be concerned when two of your best players are hanging around ours in IC..
I'd also be concerned that there are rumors coming from ISU fan(s) that some of your new players are not all that thrilled with Prohm (maybe he actually has some rules opposed to Fred letting them do whatever they want).
I'd be concerned that Morris is a 4 year player instead of 3.

this is going to get real interesting...

Why would either of those things be concerning?

 

[CyCity]

Good points Bob. I might also be worth it for State fans to check out their own recruiting results which have been pretty bad since the 2013 class. Oh, the numbers look nice, but when one removes Noskowiak and Tsalmpouris and Custer? Guys that never arrived or are already gone? Those numbers start to look pretty bleak.

Last year's HS recruiting was awful. I'm still really excited about our newcomers Burton and Cooke though and think they will be big pieces not only this year but especially 2016-17

 

[Lone Clone]

Here is the deal...and I know you are here just to stir things up...everything you list was under Hoiberg..I hate to burst your braggish bubble...but Hoiberg is gone. Instead of bragging about a 5 year history...I'd be more concerned about how well Prohm will do in the future.

Fran is way ahead of ISU when it comes to in state Iowa recruits ...in fact UNI is ahead of ISU when it comes to Iowa. Hoiberg basically ignored in state recruiting..
Fran has established both Chicago & St Louis for recruiting...I'd be a little concern that your new guy lost out on Cook....lost out on Wieskamp...

Hoiberg left Prohm a pretty good starting lineup...you don't know how things will pan out after next year...

Hoiberg didn't ignore in-state recruits. He wanted Jok but had to back off because of the Lefty Moore problem. He offered Uthoff twice -- out of high school and when he transferred. He offered Gesell. He offered Paige, of course. He didn't offer Woodbury, but that's not surprising -- I don't think Woodbury had any interest in ISU, and I doubt if Fred thought his skills would fit Fred's system.

What other Iowans should Fred have been recruiting?

 

[Iowan555]

Hoiberg didn't ignore in-state recruits. He wanted Jok but had to back off because of the Lefty Moore problem. He offered Uthoff twice -- out of high school and when he transferred. He offered Gesell. He offered Paige, of course. He didn't offer Woodbury, but that's not surprising -- I don't think Woodbury had any interest in ISU, and I doubt if Fred thought his skills would fit Fred's system.

What other Iowans should Fred have been recruiting?

I'd much rather go to Michigan, Massachusetts, Canada, Wisconsin for Morris, Niang, Long, Thomas than settling for the talent coming out of Iowa lately. Once Barnes, McDermott, Paige, Collison, Hinrich, Korver etc... start wearing the hawkeye colors...we can talk! Until then, no ISU fan cares that you are dominating the in state recruiting. I'll admit that 2018 recruit looks like he could be a good one. We will see how he develops.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Hoiberg didn't ignore in-state recruits. He wanted Jok but had to back off because of the Lefty Moore problem. He offered Uthoff twice -- out of high school and when he transferred. He offered Gesell. He offered Paige, of course. He didn't offer Woodbury, but that's not surprising -- I don't think Woodbury had any interest in ISU, and I doubt if Fred thought his skills would fit Fred's system.

What other Iowans should Fred have been recruiting?

ISU just signed Ernst (late) out of Clinton...he is the first Iowan to commit to ISU since LA Pomlee (remember him?)...and that was 2008...zero Iowans in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 .. either ISU coaches don't do a very good job recruiting the state or don't put much emphasis on it ... Hoiberg included.

Iowa has signed 7 Iowa kids since 2008...so far in the class of 2016 ISU zero...Iowa 3. Iowa is way ahead of ISU when it comes to in state recruiting. That doesn't mean Iowa should sign a kid just because he is from Iowa...but its' pretty obvious why a Wieskamp verballed to I O W A when ISU came calling.

ISU can call themselves STATE ...they just don't have very many state of iowans on their basketball team...like 2 in the last 9 years.

 

[CyCity]

ISU just signed Ernst (late) out of Clinton...he is the first Iowan to commit to ISU since LA Pomlee (remember him?)...and that was 2008...zero Iowans in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 .. either ISU coaches don't do a very good job recruiting the state or don't put much emphasis on it ... Hoiberg included.

Iowa has signed 7 Iowa kids since 2008...so far in the class of 2016 ISU zero...Iowa 3. Iowa is way ahead of ISU when it comes to in state recruiting. That doesn't mean Iowa should sign a kid just because he is from Iowa...but its' pretty obvious why a Wieskamp verballed to I O W A when ISU came calling.

ISU can call themselves STATE ...they just don't have very many state of iowans on their basketball team...like 2 in the last 9 years.

This seems to be the answer. I don't care where players come from as long as they get talent in and that hasn't been an issue in the last 5 years and doesn't look like an issue for the 2016 class

 

[Iowan555]

ISU just signed Ernst (late) out of Clinton...he is the first Iowan to commit to ISU since LA Pomlee (remember him?)...and that was 2008...zero Iowans in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 .. either ISU coaches don't do a very good job recruiting the state or don't put much emphasis on it ... Hoiberg included.

Iowa has signed 7 Iowa kids since 2008...so far in the class of 2016 ISU zero...Iowa 3. Iowa is way ahead of ISU when it comes to in state recruiting. That doesn't mean Iowa should sign a kid just because he is from Iowa...but its' pretty obvious why a Wieskamp verballed to I O W A when ISU came calling.

ISU can call themselves STATE ...they just don't have very many state of iowans on their basketball team...like 2 in the last 9 years.

You are severely missing the point here. How many of those Iowa kids have become all conference type players? Maybe 1? I think it is fair to say Fran has struggled recruiting outside the state of Iowa so he falls back on those kids that grew up in his backyard. I already said Wieskamp could be a big time recruit. Kid grew up a hawk fan it is a great recruit for you guys. ISU never stood a chance with him. He clearly wanted to be a Hawk forever hence why he commited so early.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I'd much rather go to Michigan, Massachusetts, Canada, Wisconsin for Morris, Niang, Long, Thomas than settling for the talent coming out of Iowa lately. Once Barnes, McDermott, Paige, Collison, Hinrich, Korver etc... start wearing the hawkeye colors...we can talk! Until then, no ISU fan cares that you are dominating the in state recruiting. I'll admit that 2017 recruit looks like he could be a good one. We will see how he develops.

sure thing....possibly our 2 leading scorers this season are from CR & West DM...both of whom you boys offered...you better hope your new boy continues to recruit out of state like FredH did....

having a nephew as a head coach in Iowa...he has yet to hear from your boy...(no interest I guess)....oh I know no ISU fans like you care about dominating the in state recruits....that's how naïve you fools are...that's why you didn't have a prayer with Wieskamp.

 

[CyCity]

sure thing....possibly our 2 leading scorers this season are from CR & West DM...both of whom you boys offered...you better hope your new boy continues to recruit out of state like FredH did....

having a nephew as a head coach in Iowa...he has yet to hear from your boy...(no interest I guess)....oh I know no ISU fans like you care about dominating the in state recruits....that's how naïve you fools are...that's why you didn't have a prayer with Wieskamp.

If you're second leading scorer is from West DM you guys could be in for a long year. Also ISU didn't offer Jok and I don't think he would have got offered even without the Moore situation since Iowa and Drake were his only offers out of High School.

 

[DanL53]

If you're second leading scorer is from West DM you guys could be in for a long year

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[CyCity]

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

He's been pretty inefficient on both offense and defense so far in his career

 

[hawk-i bob]

You are severely missing the point here. How many of those Iowa kids have become all conference type players? Maybe 1? I think it is fair to say Fran has struggled recruiting outside the state of Iowa so he falls back on those kids that grew up in his backyard. I already said Wieskamp could be a big time recruit. Kid grew up a hawk fan it is a great recruit for you guys. ISU never stood a chance with him. He clearly wanted to be a Hawk forever hence why he commited so early.

and out of all your out of state recruits...how many were NOT all conference? having 2 iowa kids in the last 9 classes should tell every Iowa high school kid everything they need to know...ISU looks elsewhere first...facts are facts.

for the record...Iowa has had 5 Iowans named All-B1G over the last 10 seasons...how many has ISU?...Oh that's right...you guys don't recruit Iowa...your school just happens to be here....got it now.

 

[DanL53]

He's been pretty inefficient on both offense and defense so far in his career

So, if Jok is Iowa's second leading scorer, we COULD be in for a long year because SO FAR IN HIS CAREER Jok has been PRETTY INEFFICIENT BOTH ON OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.

Uh huh. Still makes no sense. In fact it gets worse because now defense is brought up.

 

[hawk-i bob]

I'd much rather go to Michigan, Massachusetts, Canada, Wisconsin for Morris, Niang, Long, Thomas than settling for the talent coming out of Iowa lately. Once Barnes, McDermott, Paige, Collison, Hinrich, Korver etc... start wearing the hawkeye colors...we can talk! Until then, no ISU fan cares that you are dominating the in state recruiting. I'll admit that 2018 recruit looks like he could be a good one. We will see how he develops.

much rather go to Michigan, Massachusetts, Canada.....

and this is exactly what Fran & even Jacobsen are telling the top talent in Iowa...ISU would rather go elsewhere for just about "all" of their recruits...

can Iowa rely on the talent of Iowa kids every year ?..of course not...5 freshman this year...Illinois (3), Ohio (1), Tennessee (1)...but when the talent is there ... ya Go Hawks>>

 

[CyCity]

much rather go to Michigan, Massachusetts, Canada.....

and this is exactly what Fran & even Jacobsen are telling the top talent in Iowa...ISU would rather go elsewhere for just about "all" of their recruits...

can Iowa rely on the talent of Iowa kids every year ?..of course not...5 freshman this year...Illinois (3), Ohio (1), Tennessee (1)...but when the talent is there ... ya Go Hawks>>

What in state players has ISU missed out on lately that hurt them? None that I can think of besides Uthoff and that was a unique situation. Wieskamp looks like the only one in the near future that is going to hurt but he grew up a Hawk fan so don't know if you can really fault that on the staff. I would have liked to have Jeremy Morgan but he's probably in a better situation in Cedar Falls anyways and that didn't hurt ISU.

You're saying ISU keeps ignoring in state players but they've made 4 tourney appearances in a row and are a preseason top 10 team now so I don't really look at it as a bad thing. Obviously whatever they have been doing is working

 

[Legend12]