Obama screws American workers yet again

[Lone Clone]

Unilateral executive action to expand a worker visa program that lets corporations bring foreignors to the U.S. to fill jobs that could be filled by Americans, and is already abused.

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

But who's counting?

 

[22*43*51]

NOW he believes in the worker Visa program?

 

[rocketclone]

hhhmmm this is interesting. As I have said over and over immigration is screwing over the American Worker. Keeping wages low.

Kind of interesting no one is reporting on this. I guess Angelina Jolie's ovaries are much more important.

Why does Obama continue to get passes on all this stuff??

 

[hooper56]

Covenant Health Systems in Waterloo really exploits this. It seems these work visa folks will work long hours under less than ideal conditions but won't complain.....because if they do then back they go.

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by rocketclone:

hhhmmm this is interesting. As I have said over and over immigration is screwing over the American Worker. Keeping wages low.

You are correct.

There are two immigrants for every job created since 2000.

 

[LuteHawk]

The correct title of this thread:

Obama screws America again and again.

 

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Chuck Grassley is a Republican, or was the last time I checked.

 

[rocketclone]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Seriously?? There is no more law, there are only Executive Orders. If not for Immigrants, the American Worker would be making more money. Simple law of supply and demand.

I have said over and over it is both sides. The US Chamber wants the immigrants for cheap labor and the dems want votes. Enforce the laws and stop with the Executive Orders and you won't have to worry about minimum wage because the companies will then have to up their pay to get workers.

 

[jscott78]

Try again. Here is one: I heard Obama locked the pilot out of the cockpit on the plane that crashed this week.

 

[CarolinaHawkeye]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he's Reagan part 2.

 

[ihhawk]

I find the whole immigration push to be comical. When you sit and think about it, there is no good reason to allow a huge amount of immigrants into the country. It has turned into a push to increase votes for 1 political party.

The sad part is that the Unions and the NAACP should be totally pissed off by these actions. This is going to destory AA job opportunities.

There is going to be a major fight for jobs for uneducated labor and many will not find the jobs.

 

[naturalmwa]

I keep telling you BHO isn't very liberal. This is practically Reaganesque. Put an R behind Obama's name and cons would be here championing his pro business efforts to expand peace, prosperity and the American dream through markets and free trade. Fun to see republicans rediscover their protectionist roots, lets try to fertilize that impulse and value our markets and workers appropriately. I challenge you to support legislation that actually does that.

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Chuck Grassley is a Republican, or was the last time I checked.

Correct. But when have the Rebuplicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation? It seems like Obama is bleeding over to your side of the aisle more and more and you still hate him for it. He's a DINO, he's more conservative than liberal. I hope you can agree with that.

 

[aflachawk]

Originally posted by CarolinaHawkeye:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he's Reagan part 2.

He is Reagan like in that he is trying to be s transformative POTUS but Reagan made us better, BHO is making us worse
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[rocketclone]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:
I keep telling you BHO isn't very liberal. This is practically Reaganesque. Put an R behind Obama's name and cons would be here championing his pro business efforts to expand peace, prosperity and the American dream through markets and free trade. Fun to see republicans rediscover their protectionist roots, lets try to fertilize that impulse and value our markets and workers appropriately. I challenge you to support legislation that actually does that.

BHO is political. Everything he does is political. He wants to load up the population to favor the Democratic Party. Worst of all the guy has problems with the truth and will do anything to make sure the Democrats stay in power.

There is actually legislation that does that. It is called immigration law. Follow it instead of willy nilly avoiding it.

 

[timinatoria]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

 

[hawk_a_holic]

Originally posted by rocketclone:
hhhmmm this is interesting. As I have said over and over immigration is screwing over the American Worker. Keeping wages low.

Kind of interesting no one is reporting on this. I guess Angelina Jolie's ovaries are much more important.

Why does Obama continue to get passes on all this stuff??

Because with the exception of FOX, every other major news network has executives directly in bed with this admin. Literally.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/13/top-cbs-abc-

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by rocketclone:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:
I keep telling you BHO isn't very liberal. This is practically Reaganesque. Put an R behind Obama's name and cons would be here championing his pro business efforts to expand peace, prosperity and the American dream through markets and free trade. Fun to see republicans rediscover their protectionist roots, lets try to fertilize that impulse and value our markets and workers appropriately. I challenge you to support legislation that actually does that.

BHO is political. Everything he does is political. He wants to load up the population to favor the Democratic Party. Worst of all the guy has problems with the truth and will do anything to make sure the Democrats stay in power.

There is actually legislation that does that. It is called immigration law. Follow it instead of willy nilly avoiding it.

Of course I agree he's political, but brining in temporary workers isn't the way to keep D's in power. Its the way to make sure he gets million dollar speaking fees from the business community when he retires.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by rocketclone:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:
I keep telling you BHO isn't very liberal. This is practically Reaganesque. Put an R behind Obama's name and cons would be here championing his pro business efforts to expand peace, prosperity and the American dream through markets and free trade. Fun to see republicans rediscover their protectionist roots, lets try to fertilize that impulse and value our markets and workers appropriately. I challenge you to support legislation that actually does that.

BHO is political. Everything he does is political. He wants to load up the population to favor the Democratic Party. Worst of all the guy has problems with the truth and will do anything to make sure the Democrats stay in power.

There is actually legislation that does that. It is called immigration law. Follow it instead of willy nilly avoiding it.

Of course I agree he's political, but brining in temporary workers isn't the way to keep D's in power. Its the way to make sure he gets million dollar speaking fees from the business community when he retires.

You are trying way too hard today.


This post was edited on 3/26 10:08 AM by 22*43*51

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by rocketclone:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:
I keep telling you BHO isn't very liberal. This is practically Reaganesque. Put an R behind Obama's name and cons would be here championing his pro business efforts to expand peace, prosperity and the American dream through markets and free trade. Fun to see republicans rediscover their protectionist roots, lets try to fertilize that impulse and value our markets and workers appropriately. I challenge you to support legislation that actually does that.

BHO is political. Everything he does is political. He wants to load up the population to favor the Democratic Party. Worst of all the guy has problems with the truth and will do anything to make sure the Democrats stay in power.

There is actually legislation that does that. It is called immigration law. Follow it instead of willy nilly avoiding it.

Of course I agree he's political, but brining in temporary workers isn't the way to keep D's in power. Its the way to make sure he gets million dollar speaking fees from the business community when he retires.

You are trying way too hard today.


This post was edited on 3/26 10:08 AM by 22*43*51

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. I disagree with it. It needs more regulation not less.

So can you answer this question for me? When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? You guys should be cheering this. If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that natural was against legal workers with Visa's via his response. Where did he say he was ever against foreign workers coming into this country legally? He answered why he though Obama did what he did (just like you asked) and you throw out some wild partisan response? Maybe I missed something in his previous post but I don't remember him ever being against legal workers with Visa's.

 

[timinatoria]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. I disagree with it. It needs more regulation not less.

So can you answer this question for me? When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? You guys should be cheering this. If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

My thinking with the illegal workers is they are already here, often with legal family members. I think the pragmatic and moral approach is to integrate those people into our society. Remember, they are already taking jobs, so they aren't adding to our workforce. They are already diluting the pay and making them legal actually solves for part of that.

Bringing in new workers is different because they aren't yet here. They aren't yet diluting the pay, but bringing them in is like hiring scabs.

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that natural was against legal workers with Visa's via his response. Where did he say he was ever against foreign workers coming into this country legally? He answered why he though Obama did what he did (just like you asked) and you throw out some wild partisan response? Maybe I missed something in his previous post but I don't remember him ever being against legal workers with Visa's.

Well he assumed correctly, I'm not for them generally speaking. I'm for investing in US workers. I can sure see a need to bring in specialized workers on a limited basis, but thats not what Obama thinks. He thinks the business should be free to move around workers at will, a position I suspect most R's secretly hold too. When I call someone Reaganesque, thats not intended as a compliment.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

My thinking with the illegal workers is they are already here, often with legal family members. I think the pragmatic and moral approach is to integrate those people into our society. Remember, they are already taking jobs, so they aren't adding to our workforce. They are already diluting the pay and making them legal actually solves for part of that.

Bringing in new workers is different because they aren't yet here. They aren't yet diluting the pay, but bringing them in is like hiring scabs.

If illegals are truly employed then a citizen is unemployed and a public liability. There are more laborers than jobs.

That's not philosophical. That's mathematical.

Wave a magic wand and grant them immunity if you like. Ten years from now there will be another 50 million illegals who replace them. Do we just go through this exercise all over again? Or is there a solution somewhere?

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Ya think? Seems to me my dots connect better. Which makes more sense? A) Obama is allowing more temporary workers into the nation in hopes that they will somehow figure out a way to stay and vote for D's he has never met and who will only be distantly beholden to him. Or B) that BHO is doing the business community a solid in favor of a direct pay day in the near future?

My idea is a lot simpler IMO.

So, am I to gather you are against legal workers with Visa's?

I've seen you come out in support of illegal workers and amnesty.

You are very complex.

My thinking with the illegal workers is they are already here, often with legal family members. I think the pragmatic and moral approach is to integrate those people into our society. Remember, they are already taking jobs, so they aren't adding to our workforce. They are already diluting the pay and making them legal actually solves for part of that.

Bringing in new workers is different because they aren't yet here. They aren't yet diluting the pay, but bringing them in is like hiring scabs.

If illegals are truly employed then a citizen is unemployed and a public liability. There are more laborers than jobs.

That's not philosophical. That's mathematical.

Wave a magic wand and grant them immunity if you like. Ten years from now there will be another 50 million illegals who replace them. Do we just go through this exercise all over again? Or is there a solution somewhere?

I thought Rs had the solution? We build a border fence and drone anyone trying to get in, right? Don't pretend we were ever going to or should be deporting the millions of illegal workers that were living and working and raising a family and keeping their nose clean. IMO the solution would be to better value our markets and force companies to produce more goods here or face a competitive disadvantage.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

I thought Rs had the solution? We build a border fence and drone anyone trying to get in, right? Don't pretend we were ever going to or should be deporting the millions of illegal workers that were living and working and raising a family and keeping their nose clean. IMO the solution would be to better value our markets and force companies to produce more goods here or face a competitive disadvantage.

...and the D's are all for forcing companies to do things. That creates a climate that is likely to be fled.

Too many workers are flooding the wage/labor pool. Legally, or illegally.

Another just crossed.. oh, there's another. There still coming...

Yes. A secure border is a solution.

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Republicans now care about the minimum wage? A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. I disagree with it. It needs more regulation not less.

So can you answer this question for me? When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? You guys should be cheering this. If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. It's not a silly or lazy argument. The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. It's not a silly or lazy argument. The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

Speaking for myself. I voted for him in '08. Does that count?

Romney is the first R candidate I have ever voted for since if first voted for Bill in 92'. That should tell you what I thought of the first term.

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

I thought Rs had the solution? We build a border fence and drone anyone trying to get in, right? Don't pretend we were ever going to or should be deporting the millions of illegal workers that were living and working and raising a family and keeping their nose clean. IMO the solution would be to better value our markets and force companies to produce more goods here or face a competitive disadvantage.

...and the D's are all for forcing companies to do things. That creates a climate that is likely to be fled.

Too many workers are flooding the wage/labor pool. Legally, or illegally.

Another just crossed.. oh, there's another. There still coming...

Yes. A secure border is a solution.

You have my support for securing our borders. Can I have your support for securing our markets?

 

[22*43*51]

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

I thought Rs had the solution? We build a border fence and drone anyone trying to get in, right? Don't pretend we were ever going to or should be deporting the millions of illegal workers that were living and working and raising a family and keeping their nose clean. IMO the solution would be to better value our markets and force companies to produce more goods here or face a competitive disadvantage.

...and the D's are all for forcing companies to do things. That creates a climate that is likely to be fled.

Too many workers are flooding the wage/labor pool. Legally, or illegally.

Another just crossed.. oh, there's another. There still coming...

Yes. A secure border is a solution.

You have my support for securing our borders. Can I have your support for securing our markets?

Let me know how I can be of assistance.

 

[naturalmwa]

Originally posted by 22*43*51:

Originally posted by naturalmwa:

You have my support for securing our borders. Can I have your support for securing our markets?

Let me know how I can be of assistance.

Support unions and oppose this visa plan would be a good start.

 

[timinatoria]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour . 

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this?  The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid.  The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India.  

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws.  Republicans now care about the minimum wage?  A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker?  The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught.    

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure.  I disagree with it.  It needs more regulation not less.  

So can you answer this question for me?  When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing?  You guys should be cheering this.  If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs.  Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn. 

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage.  What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour.  I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things.  That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you.  It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!".  False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything.  You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did.  Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well.  It's not a silly or lazy argument.  The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker.  The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker.  I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up".  So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

What does any of this have to do with the OP's topic.

Lone starts a thread about a decision made by Obama. You jump in and bash republicans, not really addressing the topic. Then you say you disagree with the president (you shouldn't be so hard on the guy), then bash more republicans and start talking about CEO pay. CEO pay is an entirely different topic from foreign workers taking good jobs from talented US citizens.
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[fredjr82]

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .Â

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? Â The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. Â The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India. Â

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Â Republicans now care about the minimum wage? Â A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? Â The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught. Â Â

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. Â I disagree with it. Â It needs more regulation not less. Â

So can you answer this question for me? Â When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? Â You guys should be cheering this. Â If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Â Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.Â

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Â Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. Â It's not a silly or lazy argument. Â The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. Â The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. Â I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". Â So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

What does any of this have to do with the OP's topic.

Lone starts a thread about a decision made by Obama. You jump in and bash republicans, not really addressing the topic. Then you say you disagree with the president (you shouldn't be so hard on the guy), then bash more republicans and start talking about CEO pay. CEO pay is an entirely different topic from foreign workers taking good jobs from talented US citizens.
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I'm sorry you are having a hard time following along.

Lone started a thread about how Obama is screwing over the American worker by allowing business's to operate with less regulation and pay people less than minimum wage. This is something the Republican's cheer for constantly but for some reason since Obama is doing it they are against it now. The reason I brought CEO pay into it is because you don't seem to understand that the party you align yourself with doesn't give a shit about the American worker and never has. But now all of a sudden that Obama is doing something that aligns with things your party is constantly championing, some of the members of your party are against it.

Where did I lose you? If I was mistaken about your ideology, my apologies. I assumed since you were painting with such a wide brush I could too. If you need it dumbed down more than that, let's just move on.

 

[IMCC965]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .Â

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? Â The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. Â The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India. Â

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Â Republicans now care about the minimum wage? Â A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? Â The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught. Â Â

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. Â I disagree with it. Â It needs more regulation not less. Â

So can you answer this question for me? Â When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? Â You guys should be cheering this. Â If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Â Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.Â

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Â Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. Â It's not a silly or lazy argument. Â The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. Â The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. Â I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". Â So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

What does any of this have to do with the OP's topic.

Lone starts a thread about a decision made by Obama. You jump in and bash republicans, not really addressing the topic. Then you say you disagree with the president (you shouldn't be so hard on the guy), then bash more republicans and start talking about CEO pay. CEO pay is an entirely different topic from foreign workers taking good jobs from talented US citizens.

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I'm sorry you are having a hard time following along.

Lone started a thread about how Obama is screwing over the American worker by allowing business's to operate with less regulation and pay people less than minimum wage. This is something the Republican's cheer for constantly but for some reason since Obama is doing it they are against it now. The reason I brought CEO pay into it is because you don't seem to understand that the party you align yourself with doesn't give a shit about the American worker and never has. But now all of a sudden that Obama is doing something that aligns with things your party is constantly championing, some of the members of your party are against it.

Where did I lose you? If I was mistaken about your ideology, my apologies. I assumed since you were painting with such a wide brush I could too. If you need it dumbed down more than that, let's just move on.

When you factor in the people you're talking about (illegal aliens) you change the equation. If you're talking about red-blooded LEGAL folks, read natural born Americans and immigrants that went through the process the right way and became citizents, the equation remains lucent.

 

[timinatoria]

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .Â

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? Â The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. Â The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India. Â

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Â Republicans now care about the minimum wage? Â A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? Â The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught. Â Â

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. Â I disagree with it. Â It needs more regulation not less. Â

So can you answer this question for me? Â When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? Â You guys should be cheering this. Â If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Â Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.Â

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Â Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. Â It's not a silly or lazy argument. Â The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. Â The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. Â I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". Â So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

What does any of this have to do with the OP's topic.

Lone starts a thread about a decision made by Obama. You jump in and bash republicans, not really addressing the topic. Then you say you disagree with the president (you shouldn't be so hard on the guy), then bash more republicans and start talking about CEO pay. CEO pay is an entirely different topic from foreign workers taking good jobs from talented US citizens.

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I'm sorry you are having a hard time following along.

Lone started a thread about how Obama is screwing over the American worker by allowing business's to operate with less regulation and pay people less than minimum wage. This is something the Republican's cheer for constantly but for some reason since Obama is doing it they are against it now. The reason I brought CEO pay into it is because you don't seem to understand that the party you align yourself with doesn't give a shit about the American worker and never has. But now all of a sudden that Obama is doing something that aligns with things your party is constantly championing, some of the members of your party are against it.

Where did I lose you? If I was mistaken about your ideology, my apologies. I assumed since you were painting with such a wide brush I could too. If you need it dumbed down more than that, let's just move on.

No, you've dumbed it down plenty from the beginning.

Can you link to were Republicans don't like ANY regulations? Sure, many republicans including myself things this administration is going overboard with regulations in some aspects, but that doesn't mean we don't want ANY regulations on anything. That's your argument. And it's dumb.

In this case I think using executive action to allow more foreign workers to take work from US citizens is bad for the country, regardless of the president's political affiliation.

You just wanted to rip on Republicans, so you did. There are LOTS of republicans who care about working Americans, because most of us ARE working Americans.

President Obama(D)....owns this. If you want to bash on someone for not giving a shit about the American worker, why don't you start with him?

 

[fredjr82]

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by timinatoria:

Originally posted by fredjr82:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

One company brought a bunch of Indians to California and paid them $1.20 an hour .Â

So where is the outrage for the companies that are abusing this? Â The President is allowing them to run their business as they see fit and they are choosing foreign workers that can be paid less than what an American would be paid. Â The $1.20 an hour for the Indian workers was what they made compared to their wage in rupees at their workplace in India. Â

Of course that is illegal here in the United States because of the minimum wage laws. Â Republicans now care about the minimum wage? Â A couple of months ago the Wal-Mart employee should just suck it up, but now they care about the foreign worker? Â The President didn't set the wage these workers get paid, the business decided to try to break the law and got caught. Â Â

Do you hold President Obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Would you actually comment on the what Obama is doing with the Visa program and whether you agree with it or not?

Sure. Â I disagree with it. Â It needs more regulation not less. Â

So can you answer this question for me? Â When have the Republicans ever cared about minimum wage or regulation when it wasn't the opposite stance of what Obama was doing? Â You guys should be cheering this. Â If he added regulation to it and required American companies to hire American citizens or face a penalty you'd complain about how he's handcuffing these CEOs from creating jobs. Â Not to mention that OP seems really upset that these foreign workers only made $1.20 when the actual American citizen can suck it up and live off the wage they earn.Â

I'm a Republican and I care about having a minimum wage. What I don't think is that is should be a 'living wage', like $15 an hour. I also see the need for regulation in business and lots of other things. That said, that doesn't mean the government doesn't use TOO MUCH regulation at times.

This is such a silly, lazy argument by you. It's kind of like when someone says they think taxes are too high, the nearest Democrat say, "you Republicans don't want ANY taxes!". False.

So now that we have established that I'm a republican, and that I care about minimum wage and regulation, what was your point again?

You disagree with the President, but not enough to actually ever criticize him or anything. You're too busy bashing Republicans.....for what I'm still not exactly sure.

Please provide a link to where you actually praised something the President did. Â Maybe you have praised him in the past but that didn't stop your hyperbole of thinking that I agree with everything he's done so I guess I can assume as well. Â It's not a silly or lazy argument. Â The Republicans constantly move the goalposts to fit their argument (Dems aren't innocent of this either) so please pardon me if I think all of a sudden your party has some compassion for what these foreign workers had to endure and how we should all think of the American worker. Â The average CEO makes 331 times more than the average worker. Â I'm sure you now care about that as well when before your party's argument was that the CEO has earned the right to make what he makes and the American worker can again "suck it up". Â So you'll have to excuse me if I formed an opinion of what the party you align yourself with agrees and disagrees with.

What does any of this have to do with the OP's topic.

Lone starts a thread about a decision made by Obama. You jump in and bash republicans, not really addressing the topic. Then you say you disagree with the president (you shouldn't be so hard on the guy), then bash more republicans and start talking about CEO pay. CEO pay is an entirely different topic from foreign workers taking good jobs from talented US citizens.

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I'm sorry you are having a hard time following along.

Lone started a thread about how Obama is screwing over the American worker by allowing business's to operate with less regulation and pay people less than minimum wage. This is something the Republican's cheer for constantly but for some reason since Obama is doing it they are against it now. The reason I brought CEO pay into it is because you don't seem to understand that the party you align yourself with doesn't give a shit about the American worker and never has. But now all of a sudden that Obama is doing something that aligns with things your party is constantly championing, some of the members of your party are against it.

Where did I lose you? If I was mistaken about your ideology, my apologies. I assumed since you were painting with such a wide brush I could too. If you need it dumbed down more than that, let's just move on.

No, you've dumbed it down plenty from the beginning.

Can you link to were Republicans don't like ANY regulations? Sure, many republicans including myself things this administration is going overboard with regulations in some aspects, but that doesn't mean we don't want ANY regulations on anything. That's your argument. And it's dumb.

In this case I think using executive action to allow more foreign workers to take work from US citizens is bad for the country, regardless of the president's political affiliation.

You just wanted to rip on Republicans, so you did. There are LOTS of republicans who care about working Americans, because most of us ARE working Americans.

President Obama(D)....owns this. If you want to bash on someone for not giving a shit about the American worker, why don't you start with him?

One thing that wasn't included in Lone's link is the amount of denials from India from 2012 - 2014. It was a staggering 56% of denials. The average denial rate for most countries is 13% in the same time frame. Keep in mind that India has invested $17 billion dollars which generated 80,000 jobs in the US for 2014 alone. So really this is Obama's way of making sure that India continues to invest in our country by relaxing some of the regulations on the L-1B visa (which you just admitted you were for).

I'm sorry that you are so butthurt over me bashing Republicans, I have an opinion of the Republican party. I believe it is fair from the platforms they run on. I never said they don't like ANY regulations and my point was they are very much more relaxed on regulations than the Democrats generally. So when Obama throws your party a bone on relaxing regulations on business you tear him down for it. Can you not see the irony in that? So while your opinion of me is that I only praise Obama for his actions you seem to always tear him down even when he's toeing your party's line. I think its probably best if we just move on to a different topic because you don't seem to grasp my point I'm trying to make and I can't use crayons while on HROT.