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*****Official Cubs 2019 thread*****

The old one I remember was the Cubs are moving to the Philippines and rename themselves the Manila Folders.

Of course, they also went through a period when Jerry Morales was their cleanup hitter, Steve Swisher was their all-star representative, and Jungle Joe Wallis roamed centerfield. Such jokes weren’t necessary.
About '74? That's the year they threw the last 3 games of the year against the Pirates to spite the Cardinals. So let's just twist the knife a little...
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I am talking about how the Pirates beat the Cubs three straight that helped cost us the division. And Steve Swisher of the Cubs had a passed ball that allowed a game to continue that the Pirates eventually won. We finished effectively one game behind Pittsburgh that year. If the Cubs and Swisher could have done anything we might have won in 1974.

Here’s the Retrosheet boxscore from that game in question in 1974. Check out the Pirates 9th.

https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1974/B10020PIT1974.htm
 
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I've been telling people in this thread all year that the Cubs are an 86-88 win true talent team, and they are playing to that.

The issue is that this roster is far inferior to 2015-2018.

I would argue that St. Louis isn't significantly better this year than 2016-2018. They have a bona fide ace and their bullpen/defense has been improved. The Cubs have gotten worse, and that's why STL should have a comfortable last week of the season. The NL Central is trash, and LAD, ATL, HOU, NYY, MIN, and OAK would have waltzed through the division. (STL or MKE could catch lightning in a bottle in October, but both have inferior rosters to the aforementioned teams).

The Cubs fans who think that they are not making the playoffs because of Joe Maddon, or mentally weak players will be in for a rude awakening when they go 81-81 next year under a different manager.

I remember a conversation earlier in the season where you said I was more down on the team than normal, I knew the talent was down too. For a few weeks in May I let myself get excited but I came to my senses. It’s almost impossible that next year can be better given the roster issues but I’m still optimistic long term.
 
Craig Kimbrel signed a three contract with the Cubs
for $43 million. He still has two years left on that
contract. Congrats to Theo for fixing the bullpen.
 
How much do you think the Cardinals paid him?

Kimbrel used to be good and tough as nails.

Now he’s a mental cream puff.

I hope he never pitches again.
He should join Theo’s other sensational free agent signings of Chatwood and Morrow to never pitch again.
 
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I don’t always read Al Yellon’s wrap ups on BCB, but he did note two important things. Tommy Edman was a sixth round pick. Every team passed on him. As I’ve posted recently, who do the Cubs have from rounds 2-10 that is impacting the team under McLeod’s tenure?
The second point was Kimbrel has given up 9 homers in 21 innings. The most he has ever given up in a full season is 9.
He bad.
 
Chicago Sportswriter Gordon Wittenmeyer is calling
for the heads of Theo and his office cronies. He
said that Theo made some bad contracts and some
bad free agent signings which doomed the 2019 season.
He said that Theo must be held accountable and not
just use Joe Maddon as an excuse for Theo's errors.
 
Chicago Sportswriter Gordon Wittenmeyer is calling
for the heads of Theo and his office cronies. He
said that Theo made some bad contracts and some
bad free agent signings which doomed the 2019 season.
He said that Theo must be held accountable and not
just use Joe Maddon as an excuse for Theo's errors.
Plus a million. Theo has been very bad. You can blame Jed or Jason, but all decisions go through Theo. His inability to draft and develop a single starting pitcher is amazing. The decisions to sign Morrow, Chatwood and Kimbrel should affect his status moving forward.
 
(past) Time for the Official Cubs 2020 Thread.

This was mentioned elsewhere, but....

Fire Maddon, cut Kimbrel, then (if he enters FA) go get Chapman. And while we're talking about it, if Morrow isn't ready to go by time ST starts up at the end of the coming winter, then probly best to just cut bait there as well.

Two birds, more than one stone.

No thanks on Chapman. His fade is coming soon.

As for Morrow, the Cubs have an option on him that I assume they won't pick up at $12M. They'll pay him $3M to GTFO.
 
Chicago Sportswriter Gordon Wittenmeyer is calling
for the heads of Theo and his office cronies. He
said that Theo made some bad contracts and some
bad free agent signings which doomed the 2019 season.
He said that Theo must be held accountable and not
just use Joe Maddon as an excuse for Theo's errors.
Yep! This season was also lost in June/July when very little effort was made to fix the bullpen.

Cubs fans were happy that Theo traded Torres for Chapman, yet some lauded Theo for waiting to sign Kimbrel because doing it earlier would have cost the team draft choices? Cub fans logic?

This organization needs a complete rebuild. The only untouchable is Baez.
Start by getting rid of Epstein.
 
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He should join Theo’s other sensational free agent signings of Chatwood and Morrow to never pitch again.

I could make a pretty strong argument that the Cubs would have been in a different position the last 2-3 months if the Cubs had made Chatwood a bigger part of their bullpen this year.
 
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I could make a pretty strong argument that the Cubs would have been in a different position the last 2-3 months if the Cubs had made Chatwood a bigger part of their bullpen this year.
I’m sure you can, but Chatwood was signed to be in the rotation and we all know how well that turned out. The trickle down on this whiff forced them to add Hamels and then signing him for this season, which in essence took the majority of money for free agency. They could have used that money to add bullpen pieces, but they had to shop with nickels and dimes. Chatwood has yet to earn anyone’s trust, so it really is a wasted signing.
 
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I’m sure you can, but Chatwood was signed to be in the rotation and we all know how well that turned out. The trickle down on this whiff forced them to add Hamels and then signing him for this season, which in essence took the majority of money for free agency. They could have used that money to add bullpen pieces, but they had to shop with nickels and dimes. Chatwood has yet to earn anyone’s trust, so it really is a wasted signing.

I get that, but I'm talking only about this season. We couldn't go into this season and undo the Chatwood signing. Much of the year, especially in the 2nd half, he looked like a guy who could go all-out for a couple innings and do well.

When looking at guys, there's the big view and the "this year" view. In terms of this year only, I think Chatwood was mis-used and could have helped them to a better record.
 
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I get that, but I'm talking only about this season. We couldn't go into this season and undo the Chatwood signing. Much of the year, especially in the 2nd half, he looked like a guy who could go all-out for a couple innings and do well.

When looking at guys, there's the big view and the "this year" view. In terms of this year only, I think Chatwood was mis-used and could have helped them to a better record.
Chatwood certainly couldn’t have been worse than the closer by committee failures.

In spots he was quite effective. Then other times he was Nuke LaLoosh before wearing garters and breathing through his eyelids.
 
The cubs are true to form
c.u.b.s. - can’t understand baseball strategy.

Back to their standby motto- wait ‘til next year
 
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Here is the article referred to earlier by Gordon Wittenmyer of the Sun Times. Gordon absolutely eviscerates Theo Epstein in this article, and it is all 100% true.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cubs/2...hat-performed-as-well-as-its-roster-was-built

These are basically the things I was saying during last year's 96-win season, indicating that the window was going to close very quickly because of their ineptitude at pitching development (and overall player development). Several of the more level-headed posters said they weren't concerned about the Darvish/Chatwood/Morrow contracts because it was "just money, not prospects" and "would not prevent them from making other moves to improve the team."

Statements like these were made with the assumption that Tom Ricketts would spend money like a drunken sailor, which no organization does anymore.

Dave Dombrowski (who is basically Theo Sr.) was fired 10 months after winning a World Series. The Cardinals fired Walt Jocketty in 2007, less than a year after winning a World Series, because their farm system was in shambles.

Why should Theo Epstein not lose his job? What gives us any hope that we will turn it around?

Theo walked into a stacked team in Boston with a big time payroll, and made tweaks and additions to win two World Series. Following the 2007 title, his team got worse every year, the bad contracts mounted up, and the farm system was bad.

With the Cubs, he had the opportunity to unapologetically tank for four years. Theo was very good as a "seller." He was able to effectively steal Anthony Rizzo, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, Pedro Strop, and Addison Russell in trades as a "seller."

He has made some good moves as a buyer -- Lester, Zobrist, Chapman trade, Castellanos trade, acquiring Dexter Fowler prior to 2015 -- but the bad ones are the reason he will never win another NL pennant in Chicago.
 
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Cubs get bases loaded, 1 out, because of the idiots in the StL outfield.

But they only score one because of a rare mistake by Molina.

Keep on riding that suck train, boyz.
 
That's a tough way to close out the home part of the schedule. It's as if every banana peel that could be slipped upon was slipped upon.
 
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Better to end in a trainwreck. That way they can't hide behind "well we still made the playoffs, just ran into a real good team. Maybe next year will turn out better, we were close."
 
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R.I.P. Chicago Cubs 2019

The Cardinals were the pallbearers as they put 4 more
nails in Cubs coffin with the 4 game swept in the cemetery
of Wrigley Field.
 
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Better to end in a trainwreck. That way they can't hide behind "well we still made the playoffs, just ran into a real good team. Maybe next year will turn out better, we were close."
AFAIC they haven't made the playoffs the past 2 years.
I don't count the 1 game playoff loser as being in the playoffs! Just like I only count 64 teams making the ncaa bball tourney......
 
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They limped into the playoffs last year and don’t deserve to make the playoffs this year. Should hopefully be an active off-season. They have their work cut out for them.
 
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