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*****Official Cubs 2019 thread*****

I look at the TB Ray's bullpen and think to myself... WTH? They find these guys on the cheap and make it work. Others here have stated that you can develop a farm system bullpen. I tend to agree.

But's the Cubs haven't done that. No "swing and miss" guys is spot on!

Cubs aren't winning in October with the current bullpen roster. That's been my argument all along.

I agree with you in the big picture. The bullpen, as currently constructed, isn't good enough to win in October. However, the bullpen as currently constructed is good enough to not kill the team before the trade deadline. I assume we'll see Theo move to add 2-4 arms, he does that basically every year.

They do need to fix the development issue. There is definitely some sort of fundamental gap in pitcher development. Just the fact that they have virtually nothing to show from the farm system in the bullpen is a big whiff.

Since Theo came on, even though they've focused on college hitters often at the top of the draft, they have drafted plenty of pitchers. Some guys, like Dylan Cease, Pierce Johnson and Paul Blackburn) have been sent elsewhere in trades, but there's no depth. Oscar de la Cruz with a PED suspension, Alzolay and plenty of others with arm injuries. I'm optimistic about Alex Lange and Brendon Little from the 2017 draft, but they're not going to be late-game playoff options this year.
 
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Agreed. I think the biggest issue with the bullpen is a lack of velocity, and "swing and miss."

Most bullpens have a couple of flame throwers in the high 90's. The Cubs have Strop at around 95, and then a bunch of pitch to contact guys.

Much has been made about Carl Edwards' delivery and control. While those things are significant, I find it startling that he is only hitting 94 MPH on the fastball. If you are a 94 MPH fastball/curveball guy, your only choice is to nibble. If Edwards does not find a way to start throwing 97 MPH again, he's destined for middle innings/last guy in bullpen role for his career.

Brad Brach averages about a strikeout per inning, just like Strop. And, if Morrow makes it back, that's another. And if Dillon Maples ever can get his control down ... but that's the deal with swing and miss guys. The Cubs tried strikeout guy Justin Wilson, remember? Lots of strikeouts ... and lots of walks.
 
Brad Brach averages about a strikeout per inning, just like Strop. And, if Morrow makes it back, that's another. And if Dillon Maples ever can get his control down ... but that's the deal with swing and miss guys. The Cubs tried strikeout guy Justin Wilson, remember? Lots of strikeouts ... and lots of walks.

Maples is 27 and hasnt figured it out.
 
Maples is 27 and hasnt figured it out.

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He definitely would have tried. He models his game after Javy Baez and thinks he'll replace him as Cubs shortstop in about 10-12 years. He's figured out Santa Claus isn't real, but I'm letting him live this dream for a few years until he learns about genetics.

I'm sure he's already close to as good as Mike Freeman. Give the kid a shot.
 
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My concern with Strop coming back is that he has had three hamstring injuries in a year. Less than a year, actually. And, he has had hamstring injuries in previous years. Clearly a recurring issue.
The Cubs need to be 100 percent sure he is ready to go this time. I suspect they also need to alter his training or hydration regimen.
 
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At this point.... Edwards has problems between the ears. The times I've watched... and I admit I don't watch every Cub's game, he looks tentative and scared.

I agree that he should just get released and the Cubs eat the $500K.
 
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Bryant walk, Rizzo double, Contreras shallow fly out to RF, Heyward walked intentionally, leading to Almora ... who dribbles one in front of the plate and Bryant beats the throw. Tie Game!
 
The bigger frustration to me is that in 7 drafts, this front office has not developed a single pitcher who can be a worthwhile bullpen arm. I have harped on this too much from a starting pitcher perspective, but not being able to develop relief pitching arms to this extent is almost miraculous.

I've continued to think about this and you're absolutely right. I don't really mind paying starters...but you're right....why the hell isn't there a stable of arms ready to contribute?
 
"I don't even know what's going on with him," Bryant said with a smile. "I don't know what's going on with him half the time anyway. 'Oh, Javy is pinch hitting? I was like 'Don't swing at the first pitch.' 'He's like 'I'm so good. I'm going to get this hit and we're going to go home.'"

‘Don’t swing at the first pitch’ Javy, ‘hold my beer’
 
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The bigger frustration to me is that in 7 drafts, this front office has not developed a single pitcher who can be a worthwhile bullpen arm. I have harped on this too much from a starting pitcher perspective, but not being able to develop relief pitching arms to this extent is almost miraculous.
I feel like I saw the rate of failure for pitchers in drafts is heads and shoulders above that of positional players. Guessing that’s why so many teams are moving to draft bats over pitchers early on.

Also, the front office has done well at trading for pitchers that were nothing special and making them great (Arrieta and Hendricks) or serviceable (Strop, Edwards, Montgomery).
 
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